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i'm about to rejoin the expensive world of car ownership after a few years away and i was determined to get a nice sensible diesel with a view to getting something fun/retro again in the future. then i got swerved by some sexy pictures and thoughts of V8's. i need an estate to carry bikes and tents and stuff and i've had my brain locked on BMW E46 diesels for ages. i'm sure they're pleasant but they're definitely in the bland modern jelly bean club. then i thought about the E39 540. reasons; 1. they haz V8! never had a V8, this car would get me in the gang 2. big enough to carry all the junk that supports my other stupid expensive hobbies 3. with a little effort they look menacing in a way that newer beemers just don't 4. for the price of a nice E36 i could buy a really clean 540 and an lpg conversion 5. i'll have a V8 and an LPG kit which could conceivably end up in a manta or a capri when i can afford both a daily and a fun car problems; 1. don't know anything about them! never driven one or been in one. are they as good as i imagine a massive estate with loads of powarz is? 2. most of them are autos but i've heard of manual conversions. is the swap a big deal? 3. what's the practicalities of running on LPG? i can only think of a couple of places within about 10 miles of home that sell it. is it going to be a nightmare to find when i'm travelling around? 4. if i go to the shady looking garage down the road from me with the sign outside that says 'LPG specialists' what kind of questions should i ask and what would be a reasonable price? now check out some hard as nails looking E39's cheers dudes
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Had a few cars/ van on gas, only real disadvantages are the loss of boot space with the LPG tank, can be got around by using a tank in the spare wheek well instead of a spare and carrying a can of flat fix. Only other thing is range between fill ups on gas obviously depends on tank size but it always seems to be between 200 to 330 miles Never noticed any power difference on gas compared to petrol
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A mate of me runs a Cherokee (5.2) on LPG. It's a 'oldschool' venturi system, the engine produces notably more grunt on petrol. The LPG tank, albeit smal, takes a lot of room from the boot. A underfloor tank would be much nicer (don't know if a E39 has the room for one, though). It averages 16l LPG/100km (that's about 17.8MPG). Starting the engine needs to be done on petrol until the engine reaches 35-40°,then the vapourisers are warm enough for LPG. Though the V8 reaches that temperature pretty quick ;D Best would be a modern sequential LPG system and a large tank. Though the sequential systems are more expensive than the simple venturi systems. Sequential systems are said to be better on efficiency and MPG. The newest generation of sequential systems are direkt-injection systems which directly inject the liquid gas. Can't comment on those as I've never driven one... LPG takes a bit more planing for long trips - which is much more relaxed with a large reservoir of LPG. I don't know about the UK, but over here the number of LPG stations is rapidly increasing. And unless you don't need a fill every 150 to 180 miles due to a ridicoulously smal fuel tank it's OK. And for emergencys there's still a petrol tank on board... As petrol is still needed for starting and warming up, no matter which system you choose. HTH
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Apr 30, 2011 11:53:27 GMT
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My Safari is on gas - 4.3 v6 Old venturi system but with a lambda sensor, so it's not prehistoric. Yes, noticable drop in power, but, I have 2 huge tanks underneath, so unless i'm doing a big run at motorway speeds I hardly ever fill up. This sometimes means the petrol in the tank goes a bit stale tho.
Quite often, you will find LPG suppliers on industrial estates / off the beaten track, and these guys are usually a lot cheaper than forecourts.
Going for the newer multipoint systems allegedly means there should be little or no power difference - but they are expensive to fit.
Manual conversions on these usually involves the box and flywheel from a 540/6 6 speed box and they are quite rare.
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'83 GTM Coupe. 4A-GE Powered '00 GTM Libra Auto. Ick. '71 Detomaso Pantera. Current Resto '89 GMC Safari Tow/Kip bus '05 SAAB 9-3 Daily '71 Siva Moonbug. Not even contemplating resto yet.
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Apr 30, 2011 12:37:48 GMT
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As petrol is still needed for starting and warming up, no matter which system you choose. If you go for a gas only system this is not required. Gas throttle bodies are readily available on Ebay Australia. I ran one successfully on a 4.1Ltr straight 6 and if you use 2 you can run 5Ltr V8 GasResearch even do CNG throttle bodies so you could rig up a pump at home and fill your car with natural gas ...and even use with supercharger or turbo set ups No longer do you have to have a duel fuel system you can just run gas.
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Apr 30, 2011 14:56:06 GMT
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it's amazing what you find out when you ask around! i was just talking to my uncle about his old M5 and told him my plans. turns out one of his best mates and ex-work mates runs a garage that specialise in autogas conversions. one of the only places in sunderland that do. and the bloke in question is running around in a gas converted X5 and M5 so he's a BMW man to boot. so i think i'll be paying him a visit! i'm sold on LPG now, everyone i speak to says you get what you pay for and if you buy a decent kit their won't be any negatives. prices are still unknown but at least i know where to go to find out. and this little nugget of info is very interesting; GasResearch even do CNG throttle bodies so you could rig up a pump at home and fill your car with natural gas definitley something to keep in the memory banks! still not completley against an E46 diesel but assuming i can find a nice 540 and get a good price on a conversion that would be a million times more exciting. still got no opinions on 540's though. anyone ever ran one? there's none for sale locally so nothing to go look at.
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Apr 30, 2011 18:04:25 GMT
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and this little nugget of info is very interesting; GasResearch even do CNG throttle bodies so you could rig up a pump at home and fill your car with natural gas definitley something to keep in the memory banks! Don't do it you need a 'fuelmaker' to fill from your mains supply which will take overnight, range is limited and there are only about 17 places in the UK to fill from (mostly council run), plus the tanks are bloody heavy!
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Apr 30, 2011 19:51:49 GMT
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I converted and ran a 4.6 RaRo Classic on LPG. Got about 17mpg average with no noticeable loss of power. Id advise buying a kit from WTV and doing it yourself. Finding LPG was a pain in the . I used to have to drive 5 - 10 miles out of my way to fill up. Get the biggest tank or tanks you can. You might even be able to get a 5 gal petrol tank and use the rest of the space for more lpg tanks. Also don't trust lpg specialists - most of them are utter butt monkeys.
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Koos
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Apr 30, 2011 20:53:16 GMT
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Id advise buying a kit from WTV and doing it yourself. From experiance I wouldn't advise anybody to buy cheap turkish made voltran curse word, their stako tanks are fine though Also don't trust lpg specialists - most of them are utter butt monkeys. Yep just because its got LPG fitted by and LPGA approved fitted doesn't mean it's been done right.
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Apr 30, 2011 22:34:34 GMT
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still got no opinions on 540's though. anyone ever ran one? there's none for sale locally so nothing to go look at. Maybe too modern for many on here? Anyway, here I am to the rescue. the 540s are very, very FAST. They are very quiet, refined and powerful. There is loads of space inside and they aren't too hard to make look tasty - M-sport bumpers and dished wheels, job jobbed. However, they are almost impossible to work on, much too many electrics for your average DIY Joe, and electrics can kill them. I'm pulling a 540 apart because the auto-box is in limp-home and therefore WAY beyond economical repair. Also, suspension is a major issue - it wears out fast. expect to replace a few rear bushings and all the top strut mounts as soon as you buy, if not struts and suspension arms (LOTS of them ). AFAIK there is nowhere to put the lpg tank except in the boot, which takes away much of the practicality. I've no sure info on the MPG in either 540 (dodgy readings) but if my 740 is anything to go by, expect 10-12mpg if you like going quick. And it's very easy to go quick without realising it... Also consider the E34 540. Much cheaper car to run (parts) and style, same speed, almost the same level of comfort. I have to be honest and say the E39 is a more comfortable and quieter car, even though it's got much less character than the E34. But E39s are still common, and some parts for them are stupid prices (£250 for clear headlights..? riiiiight.) Also... all diesels are curse word. Except the 525tds, because I've got a couple of those too But seriously, the 3.0d engine is fraught with problems, most notably the turbos going bang. Also, E46s have a rather worrying habit of breaking the bottom cup of the front struts. So much so in fact, they're impossible to get second-hand. Guy I know tried for a couple of months to get them, ended up having to buy pattern parts, and still cost a packet. So don't get a derv unless you're getting an E34 or early E39 525tds
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Apr 30, 2011 23:01:11 GMT
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The Holden is running on gas and it starts on the stuff. Power doesnt seem to be any different on gas or petrol. One of the plus points with the Holden is that there is space for the tank and the spare wheel Apparently NGK plugs are the best if your running on gas
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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I'm running a 2001 E39 540i touring at the moment. Its very nice, the only negative in my mind is the steering ratio, its very slow compared to what I'm used to, but I gather most BMWs are like this?
The spec varies a lot, most things were options. Mine has loads of toys but the original receipt shows that they cost £14k on top of the base price of £41k!
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"Alice in Wonderland's Cheshire cat is perhaps the 1.9-litre 205's closest parallel, for like Carroll's fiendish cat, when the Peugeot is gone only the grin remains." -What Car? March 1987
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argh that sounds way too involved for me! I wanted a bmw estate so I could just jump in and go and not worry about stuff blowing up every day as i thought they were pretty bomb proof. I don't want to get sucked back into tempremental money pits. if I get the job i'm after i'll be commuting nearly 200 miles a week I don't want something that's going to constantly let me down and rape my wallet. I know no car is completely reliable but maybe i'd prefer something I can understand and fix with spanners rather than electric witchcraft. but then again; phwoar!
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I got the Bentley manual for mine which covers everything (two 3" volumes!) and I plan on working on it myself. It has only needed a wheelbearing so far though.
The 540 replaced a Volvo S80 T6 which was very hard to find information on but the BMW isn't anywhere near as obscure.
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"Alice in Wonderland's Cheshire cat is perhaps the 1.9-litre 205's closest parallel, for like Carroll's fiendish cat, when the Peugeot is gone only the grin remains." -What Car? March 1987
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thanks for all the advice gentlemen i'm not completley scared off. gonna stay on the search and soon as i get a chance to check one out i'll go for it.
just looked up those bentley manuals and they look like a wise investment, thanks.
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The Holden is running on gas and it starts on the stuff. Power doesnt seem to be any different on gas or petrol. One of the plus points with the Holden is that there is space for the tank and the spare wheel Apparently NGK plugs are the best if your running on gas The Holdens got a good quality conversion on it, nobody does perfomance and LPG like the Aussie's do. Have you had a look at the chevy HEI dizzy yet that should improve sparks and starting as well
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