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haha. No, I was tempted tho as on Sunday I got a text saying 'dinner ready, can you pick up so & so on the way?' and there were tools and parts lying everywhere so I just put the wing on and left the bumper/number plate off. On Monday night when I did the welding it was no problem as the wing comes off & on in less then 10 minutes. A few screws on top, one at sill and one at front valance. The number plate is temporarily held on to front valance with a welding rod. There just happens to be 2 holes on the valance which exactly match the numberplate holes so it took 2 minutes to thread the oxy-acetylene rod thru and secure it behind. I'd love to get the front bumper re-chromed but would cost a bit. I noticed when it came off that one of the mounting brackets has a kink in it and there is a slight dent on one side. Also the bolt that holds it to the LH wing with a captive nut on the bumper blade has been replaced by a large screw and the bracket is bent slightly. Not had time to fully examine it tho and these pictures aren't too good cos of bright sun/shadows. RHS bumper iron slightly bentslight distortion on horizontals on LHS behind rubber bump stopssome carnage on LHS: captive nut on the small bracket is damaged/badly corroded. bracket is bent. additional screw is holding rubber trim on from outside. clip missing approx 5" along from thatnot sure why this screw was put in. plastic finisher which locks into rubber strip has integral stud that secures it all to bumperwhere there would normally be a bolt going through wing support/wing to captive nut on bumper bracket we have a screw. works fine, surprisingly everything is present & correct on RHS. nut securing rubber trim removed thinking would give access to nut securing wing to bumper blade sufficient room to get at 10mm nut securing bumper rubber trim to bumper whilst in situ but it doesn't help in removing bumper itselfPS B'stard, the point you made in a prev post about the MPG: Yeah, you get a better return on a good run. I've been on motorway a couple of times in it and driving quite fast and don't feel the consumption is too bad so may make Billing yet altho the Moffat car rally is more likely.
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Apr 13, 2011 18:35:20 GMT
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Apr 13, 2011 19:49:47 GMT
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Hi guys. Yeah...my car looks great in they pics. It should really stay like that and thanks for highlighting the Rover forum thread as I don't revisit it thinking it would have fizzled out but they are discussing this thread back on 31/3/11 so its still sorta live. PS don't worry about cluttering up my thread. I'm ashamed to say I put so much on that guy's Viceroy thread retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=87760 I felt I had to start my own. The Viceroy guy actually has a gold Royale parts car but the thread has went quiet. I should be at barn working on the wing tonight but my battery has went flat as the alternator wasn't charging last night and I couldn't get it started today. My charger is 4 miles away . Hopefully this won't be the start of a new saga trying to locate an alternator or refurb the old one. Can't bump start it either as its an auto.
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Apr 13, 2011 23:31:57 GMT
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Ended up out in the car tonight. I found that as long as you started it first turn of the key and kept it running you could get on your way. If it cut out there was nothing left in battery to re-start it unless you left it for a few hours. So..... I dercided to go and get my charger but en route I couldtell there was a serious problem as the battry was so drained that the dashboeard electrics etc weren't even working properly altho the battery charging light was not glowing (which is usually a good sign). I got to garage found charger (and collected spanners to remove battery when back home and put it on charge) and left the car running. At idle with the lights off the red battery warning light came on again and would go out if you turned the lights on which I didn't understand. I checked that the alternator belt was still running and that all the leads to battery and alternator were secure and they were. Tried to pull away to go home and car cut out and battery dead so stuck the battery on charger and walked the 4 miles home.
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Apr 20, 2011 23:25:07 GMT
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OK.....so the repairs to the wing press on. Getting there. Last night I contined with the loose plan to make the whole bottom bit in one section but decided it was too adventurous and cut the 'front' off it and contined on the main part. After lots of carefull triming on the wing and the repair patch I have it welded on and am quite happy with the outcome. I reckon 2, maybe 3, more patches will have it done and I can then get down to business with a flap wheel, tidying up the welds, then some filler and paint patch cut to fit around 'island' of clean original steel which survived between large corroded areas above and below it...why?welded in all round apart from parts which will meet next repair patchesAnother drinking session looms tomorrow (annual works' Karaoke night) which will mean Bank Holiday Friday will be a day lost to hangover but hopefully get something done Saturday & Monday. Sunday is Old Firm day so the mighty battle between Celtic and Rangers overshadows everything else
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This is great! I'm glad to see another one being kept "alive". The saloon model seems to be the rarest of the range. I have a Royale saloon in Aquamarine blue and it is nicer to drive than my 2010 Astra SRI! ;D
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Yeah. I luv driving the old Royale. Puts a smile on my face every time I've always preferred saloons aesthetically too, in any car range. Never really liked the fastback look. Have you got any more pics of your car?
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Apr 21, 2011 11:23:48 GMT
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I can get some. It's been parked on the rear drive for months for this reason: I MOT'd the car last year (usual problems, rot on the trailing arms and both middle boxes blowing), and was delighted to get a full 12 months test on it until .... It was coming up as a Viceroy at the test center, yet when I entered the reg in for the insurance it was coming back as a Royale. One evening, the car was left outside my folks house on a dark, tree lined dirt track, and some b*$#^%"s broke into it. The rear left door was damaged and the quarter glass was smashed, the ignition wires were cut and they made a right mess, so I parked it up and haven't used it for months. It did start straight up after the winter freeze and I drive it back and forth, use the breaks, handbrake, etc, just to keep things working. Last week I bought a replacement quarter window and won a left wing on ebay (just waiting for that to arrive now).
Here's a clip of the Royale starting up after the winter weather had let up:
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Apr 21, 2011 16:27:44 GMT
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Ah....I wondered if your car was mb the one I'd seen on YouTube before. I suppose there are so few Royales about that chances were high lol.
That's a shame about the car. I got a bit vandalism on mine too. You'd think even tearaways would have some respect for something old. Obviously not.
You're doing the right thing by keeping it moving. Despite road salt etc I thnk I should keep this moving in all weathers.
Funny you say about the middle boxes cos I had holes in mine and I don't think its easy to find spares. I think I have found something online but it is advertised for the Senator. I can send you link.
Did you get your trailing arms fixed? I did mine in 2 afternoons out of necessity. I know if the car wasn't a daily driver I would have taken months over it probably searched fruitlessly for new ones instead.
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Apr 21, 2011 20:19:43 GMT
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Hi foxy99 I managed to get the center exhausts replaced with new-old stock parts: Here's the area where the rot was on the trailing arm: Here's a couple of shots of a Viceroy I owned about 3 years ago: And a couple of my old Senator (looked nice, but was as rotten as a pear under the panels): I'll get some pics of the Royale interior to post. It's still full of glass in the back at the moment. I have a book on the Royale/Senator/Monza and Viceroy (by Trevor Alder, or something like that) and it gives the figures of all the cars sold in the U.K. I could scan those pages and post them here if you like? I don't get sick of talking about these big, old Vauxhalls at all, well, I get sick of putting the fuel in them, but it's worth it for the fun of driving them!!! I won't have the stereo on in them either ... If i'm getting 12-15 miles to the gallon I want to hear every beat of the engine!!
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Brilliant. Keep sticking the pics up. That Senator looks the business. I didn't know until recently that they came with the Royale type chrome bumpers as any others I'd seen had the body colour ones. I believe that model was called the 2.8S. I thought before that the Senator A only came in 2.5 & 3.0 My exhaust has been repaired in the past at the front. There is no box at allunder the driver's seat. 2 lengths of tube have been welded in in place and its seems to run very hot there. Am thinking the lack of silencer may be the reason. The drawing in this ad doesn't look right but it appears to be correct by the description. www.nissanpartsonline.co.uk/p154098/OPEL-SENATOR-A-2.8-Petrol-1978-1981-Exhaust-Pipe/product_info.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=Make-Model-Product What happened to your Viceroy? Was that rotten too?
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Apr 22, 2011 23:44:50 GMT
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I'm pretty sure that the green Senator was a 3.0i model. We had a unit back then and was buying scrap classics and breaking them and when we saw the Senator I was going to keep it for myself, but after driving it back from Bury, and having one of the breaks stick on and then being able to poke my finger though lots of the car I decided to break it. I took the wheels and fit them on the Viceroy. I wish I still had the Senator for parts though. I've noticed that the front of the exhaust on my Royale is now blowing from somewhere. I'll have to try and locate the problem then decide how to deal with it (it never ends). The Viceroy wasn't rotten, it just started to "fish-tail" on a roundabout one day (the joys of rear wheel drive) and I smashed into a metal fence. I felt sick when I hit the breaks and it just wouldn't stop until we had a fence wrapped around us. It was due for the MOT and an old guy on the street wanted it so I let him have it. I got a Volvo 850 because I liked the sound of the 5 cyl engine ... Big mistake. Here's a pic of the Viceroy with the Senator wheels (taken from a mobile phone): And one from when it was damaged: [
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That's a shame about the Viceroy. Do you know if the old guy ever got it back on the road? It looks exactly like a Royale in those pics with the Royale wheels. I have trouble of my own tho now and need advice! Last week the car was sort of misfiring when I first started it up but would run ok for rest of day. On Sunday I did about 80 miles in it no problem and laid it up for night knowing the fuel was low but not emptyBank Holiday Monday arrived and I got in car, put down all the electric windows and spoke to someone on phone for about 15 mins then tried to start the car but battery was almost dead and it seemed to be short of fuel. Went no-where that day. I have walked several miles to get fuel this week (twice) and charged the battery a couple of times and now don't seem to be getting a spark so have been out with multimeter checking the wiring (with ignition switched on) tonight. - Am def getting current to coil (+ terminal, no. 15)
- Am also getting reading from the moving point to earth with points open and condensor connections in place
- also getting a low reading from - (no. 1) coil terminal to earth
I don't know if the coil is perhaps faulty (cos of low volt reading from negative terminal) but am also puzzled by the fault diagnosis instructions I'm following in a Haynes manual (VW Polo) which says 'remove the condenser from the distributor and remove the distributor cap, rotor and dust cover. With the points open, test between the moving point and earth. If there is now a reading then the fault is in the condenser....' It then says 'With no reading from moving point to earth, take a reading between earth and the negative [-] terminal of the coil. A reading here indicates a broken wire which must be renewed between the coil and distributor....' Does this mean you need to actually unscrew the condenser from the distributor and disconnect the wires or just disconnect its spade terminals from the points and the green 'coil to distributor' wire? Also why do you need to do this? The way I see it. If you remove the condenser completely you will not have any connection to the coil as the green wire from the coil to the distributor is made via the condenser so you're never going to get a reading from the moving point to earth if the condenser is removed.
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Well.....after exactly 2 weeks of diagnosis and waiting on parts the car is running again. I ordered new points, coil and condenser a week past on Friday and the points arrived a few days later but I didn't bother fitting them as the tests pointed towards the condenser. The coil and condenser arrived today and first thing I was greeted by on opening the packet was the message 'do not fit this coil to (cars) with contact breakers' I was very carefull when ordering the parts, looking at various different ads to make sure I ordered correctly. I plumped for this one cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310292489836which says fits Royale 2.8 which only came with points ignition I so was a bit disappointed to find the coil was no use but not too disappointed as I was pretty sure the condenser was faulty so the coil was bought for insurance/emergency. new coil & condenser....about £18 all in including P&PI fitted the condenser and nothing happened....still no spark at plugs or main lead. Only thing left to try really was the points and I was a bit shocked to find that the screw holding them to the baseplate was loose . How could the car have ran uniformly with loose points?. I was ever more miffed to find the threads seem to be stripped.....how the hell do you sort that without sourcing a new distributor ? Anyway I put the points on, guessed the gap and nipped the screw up as best I could. Car started first turn of the key but is idling about 1200rpm, when it used to sit about 900rpm. burnt points may be visible. have seen much worse beforeAnyway. Have 4 days off work so can get back to garage and finish that wing. I also got a new bit for the back bumper off Ebay for £0.99 which I didn't really need but it was destined for the bin so I had to buy it NOS centre section for rear bumper. cheaper than re-chroming!
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Good work so far on that wing repair it looks like a right curse word to fix. Can you re-tap the thread on the distributor and use a slightly bigger screw?
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Thanks I spent about 7 hours at the garage today poking around the rust at the headlamp aperture and scraping away old underseal etc. The pics might look scary but I reckon its quite easily fixed and its not really a priority. maybe next year All the scraping etc was just a way of putting off dealing with the wing repairs but I eventually got back to it and tried to shape up one triple/quadrupple patch for the front but quickly realised this was not possible and decided to deal with the lower part. It was not easy to get roght but I'm reasonable happy with it altho its not much to look at for a day's work. Might get it tacked in tomorrow but there are still 3 more bits to do before I can start filling in all the gaps in the welds then do the cosmetics. this part should quite accurately replicate the front lower edge of wing Also, on way home tonight, I seemed to loose all my electrics on the dash suggesting the battery charging problem might be back again. Weird
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May 13, 2011 22:43:18 GMT
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Hi Foxy, Sorry about the late response (not that i'd be much help with the electrics, I got sick of messing with those many moons ago), I had a problem with Internet explorer ... I didn't know what it was, but nearly every page I visited stopped responding, so (just as I was about to smash my laptop up, lol) I checked for a new version of IE and downloaded #9 and it worked!!! My misfortune didn't stop there ... My new Astra sri was smashed into by a lovely, careless, woman, and is now in the Vauxhall dealers body shop: On the plus side I got this to play in whilst the Astra's sorted: I've not touched my Royale for a while due to the bad weather but will be fitting the rear door quarter glass asap and cleaning out the interior. I will post pics of the interior when i'm done. I see your having problems with your electrics and now the dash lights are playing up too ... have you checked for any leaks or corrosion behind the fuse housing and behind the bulkhead? As for the idle ... mine revs quite high when it's cold, but seems to settle down as the engine warms up
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