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Totally agree about the Touran, not a single atom of interest value to be found anywhere on those cars.
Incidentally I saw a VW Bora estate the other day in Switzerland, I wondered how you were supposed to choose between a Bora estate and a Golf Estate.
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Seth, you touch on something else briefly there which is probably also a factor - they have had fantastic marketing throughout the years. "Ever wonder how the snowplough driver gets to work" is one of the great Beetle ads imo some others ive managed to find
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To me it's the J scene that is the most varied now,
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Its nearly as debateable as Clarksons Cool wall! ed you sound like the actually cool person i talked about in my post. You bought a camper to go biking in, not trying to be cool. fantastic. All the folks i remember in the 80's and 90's driving beetles and campers I thought were cool, don't know if they were or not! Theres a lot jumped on the popularity and image of VW's so long as everyones enjoying emselves who cares. Good cars, clean lines, and a cool badge is my summary.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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can i just say its very cool on here to have a debate that doesnt turn into a slaggin match, this place rocks oh, and if it hadnt been for veedubs i wouldnt have dated such hot ladies that i have had the pleasure to do so ;D
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I have to say I got into aircooled veedubs for a not-very-original reason. When I was about 5 my neighbour had a beetle and I remember loving that car to bits. I loved everything about it, the noise, the shape, basically how different it was to anything else I had ever seen. When I hit 17 it was the only car in the frame for me, never thought once about getting anything else and I still own that car now.
There is not one bit of it that I don't love and which doesn't fascinate me. The smell of the interior, the little quirky details like the windscreen washers being powered off the spare tyre, the fact that every car has a different and very exact starting sequence to make it fire properly which every owner learns. These cars train you, they are the automotive equivelent of cats. They are fantasticly easy cars to learn to weild a spanner, they are fantastically cheap to run and they make me smile, which is more than can be said for a lot of cars.
I don't imagine that any of these sentiments are unique which may explain why they built such a following that progress into the world of water cooled was even an option.
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Last Edit: Apr 26, 2006 9:45:57 GMT by Peaches
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Well, its all because of the Beastie Boys obviously...
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slater
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What is it about...slater
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I'm not denying that the vw scene is responsible for most of the innovation around at the moment as far as looks go. In fact what I'm saying is that VWs have perfected the 'look' The big thing that makes them differant is the fact that pretty much all VWs look good and this is because whenever someone comes up with a good idea its copyed by everyone else untill all cars have it and then all vws look as good as the original. This dosent seme to happen as much with other makes
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What is it about...BenzBoy
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Apr 26, 2006 10:07:08 GMT
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[johnno]listen, sonny, it's built after 1975. You lot are talking garbage! If a Mk2 VW Golf pulled up next to me I'd move. You've been rumbled! I'm not a bigot I just think if you put an M8 nut and bolt on your MGA you've ruined the car forever, etc etc etc...yawn...[/johnno] The popularity of watercooled Dubs has a lot to do with the aircooled scene, I have no doubt. A lot of my mates in the Dub club have Mk1 / Mk2 Golfs and the like aswell. Some of that is brand-loyalty for sure, some of it is fashion (well, by fashion I mean maintaining their stance in the scene by driving something that they feel they can identify with). I like watercooled Dubs like Mk1 and 2 Golfs because of their quality, clean design and great engineering. But I always seem to be drawn to Teutonic cars - they just seem to float my boat. There is still snobbery in some parts of the aircooled scene - some don't see anything that uses water as a coolant as a proper VW. That's their opinion and they're entitled to it.
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Seth
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Apr 26, 2006 10:09:15 GMT
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, the little quirky details like the windscreen washers being powered off the spare tyre, Do they really? I never knew that! How cool! A constant pressure feed that is so much better than the manual hand pump fitted to the brit cars I've had. And lighter, less complicated and surely less likely to go wrong than a motor/pump/wiring etc. I suppose the cars layout helps but still.. Fantastic!
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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slater
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What is it about...slater
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Apr 26, 2006 10:13:28 GMT
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Take fablon for example, its an awsome idea but within a few months of seeing the 1st fabloned car its as if everyones doing it. Thats not very innovative imo Why do people think like this?? the way i see it the 'coolest' thing would be to have something differant. One thing that allways gets me is when you pick up a VW magazine in a shop its full of 'cool' cars which all look great. Theres loads of young 'cool' looking people and hot women! Yet you pick up a clssic ford or a Mini Magazine and your lucky to get one good car. Its normaly a bunch of older looking guys and thier ugly wives
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Apr 26, 2006 10:24:06 GMT
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lmfao benz boy Slater, you might get that impression cos of the pics posted on here, and elsewhere around the net? If you actually attend the shows you would see that these cars (fablon'd for instance) are in fact different from what else is about and that there are some bloody aweful looking volkswagens! lol
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Apr 26, 2006 10:36:28 GMT
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Keefy is correct, there are some godawful attempts at being cool within the VW scene, but its so vast that the press coverage can ignore this sector and concentrate on the cool ones I got into dubs through rods and custom cars, for me a beetle was the cheapest way I could get a quirky cool retro car. Prices have risen somewhat, with air-cooled, which may be why a lot of people are migrating to early water pumpers. I've always not owned VW's, but after my 1300 Jetta, I started to get VW's or at least VAG cars instead of other cheap cars as daily's Before I had a few Pugs and Renault, and I've driven countless others, I just prefer to own VAG cars as they offer ME what I want. Its not that I don't like other marques, they just don't offer enough to tempt me away from something I know so well.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Apr 26, 2006 10:38:54 GMT
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Why do people think like this?? the way i see it the 'coolest' thing would be to have something differant. You are very right imo. But it's nothing exclusive to the VW scene.
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Seth
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Apr 26, 2006 10:44:42 GMT
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Its not that I don't like other marques, they just don't offer enough to tempt me away from something I know so well. I know exactly what you mean. My chosen poison is 60's BMC/BL. There's the Skoda fans on here too. And the Mini lot. I think we all find something we like and then don't stray too far from it. One of my reasons for doing so is because I have built up a network of friends and suppliers that I am also familiar with and it becomes easier. I expect I am not alone. Much respect due to those people who do manage to cross-pollenate so to speak.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Apr 26, 2006 10:55:40 GMT
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Its not that I don't like other marques, they just don't offer enough to tempt me away from something I know so well. Neatly put. However, when the Laurel dies I'm going to try and make and effort to be more random in choosing its daily driver replacement (though it helps that I've got the luxury of falling back on other cars should it prove to be a bad choice). Trouble is when you get involved in a certain club/scene it's so tempting to save and experience some rarity that turns up.
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Apr 26, 2006 14:35:02 GMT
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As I often remind my esteemed colleague Mr Jabbo....
Too Marque Happy!
I'm not sure I fully understand the appeal. But horses for courses, huh!?
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Not sure if any of this is constructive input, but my 2p's worth... My parents always had an aircooled camper around when I was growing up (they have about 5 or 6 now!) so I got into VW's at an early age. My first car was a '74 Bay Window panel van in bright orange that I got before I was 17 but sadly never actually got onto the road as the insurance would have been crippling as I later found out. The engine is still doing good service in one of my Dad's campers though As for early Polo's, Golf's, Passat's, 'Rocco's - well I just love them, for me they were ahead of their time design, build quality and reliability wise hence why there are still plenty around. To me the Mk2 Golf (particularly the GTI/16v) is a timeless classic and really has yet to be improved on. I absolutely love mine and although I'm more into modifications for performance than looks there is just so much that can be done with them that the scope for modifying is endless really. It's a bit bigger, stronger, safer than the Mk1, rides better, stops better, more economical/aerodynamic, easier to get parts for etc. That's not saying I don't love the Mk1, was out in mine this afternoon and it's ace, but as a car to compete as a modern daily driver the Mk2 is king, Mk1 is for the weekends/shows I agree that there are strong links between the air and water cooled scenes, and as said, when a lot of aircooled people need a daily driver/winter runaround they go straight for a watercooled VW, why would you go for anything else when you already have an interested in VW's? For many years I have been very focused on VW's and VW's only really, but I have to say lately my thoughts are turning towards a lot of other old cars (possibly from hanging around here too much ). As already mentioned though by others, it'd take something very good to tempt me away from my Golf's, possibly an E30 or quattro, but again, probably have to German.
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Last Edit: Apr 26, 2006 15:03:01 GMT by Stu
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