bryn
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Apr 24, 2006 16:55:14 GMT
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Haven't had a chance to get on here in a while, had a quick look around and then got swallowed by following the PC forum link and read all four pages... That's why I don't get any work done. This is where I feel compelled to write something about the state of the marketplace, personal opinions... but really? You know what, blah, blah, blah. All power to you Hotwire, great debate and I enjoyed reading it but in doing so it just cements my feelings even more about the UK scene. It's slowly but surely eating itself from the inside out. Sod legislation from the EU, we'll kill each other before that takes effect. Some valid and interesting points and some scarily bigotted wibblepoo too, especially the one about not wanting it parked next to his car at a show, or suchlike. Numbnut. This sort of attitude makes me want to get back into the garage and just do my own thing, come on here when I can and enjoy the healthy debate varied interest and screw the rest of them. You have the patience of a saint. ;D Adios ;D
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Apr 24, 2006 16:58:41 GMT
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^ agree with that. I just wanna get in the garage bolting as many alien parts as i want to put on my late 80's project. Cant wait till the new CARS (show), its gonna be a riot
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Apr 24, 2006 16:59:03 GMT
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We'll have to sort out this UK scene eventually Bryn I think RR is going a long way to being about enthusiasm rather than about division... Hopefully we can get some more of them to accept what we do, as we accept what they do...
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bryn
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Apr 24, 2006 17:08:59 GMT
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I'm tired of swapping caps in reference to who I'm speaking with and their preferred brand, this place is like a home for wayward boys and girls. RR is about enthusiasm, like no other place or publication I've seen. If you don't like something you see here, you either leave a considered comment and expect one back or you move on. Restraint and mutual respect are what's lacking elsewhere, too many forums, publications and divisions give people the opportunity to vent themselves, knowing somewhere they have somebody or something to fall back on, enabling them to feel vindicated and supported however misguided this might appear to the viewer. Oh, just had a rant anyway. Aaaaah, feels good. ;D
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Apr 24, 2006 17:13:09 GMT
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Cant wait till the new CARS (show), its gonna be a riot i was thinking that!
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Apr 24, 2006 17:22:04 GMT
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Good to see some new messages on the other board. I'll have join later when i get back in. I didn't really think classic people were like their stereotype. I cant think of any members car thats bad taste or barry on here. As for that barryboy founder, he doesnt know what a barryboy is so why start a site slating what he thinks is? The shape of my video project is changing all the time (read diverse), but i really do worry who my audience will be apart from fellow members here. Hmmm We'll see. Its happening anyway.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Apr 24, 2006 17:22:30 GMT
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I see people like jonno and s-type as outmoded dinosaurs - they're stuck in their own little world spouting their antiquated ideals. I don't think they're much of a threat to the classic car scene to be honest - people will just come to places like RR instead. Good on you HTW for putting that Nova up, good work!
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Apr 24, 2006 17:25:00 GMT
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What a short sighted, bigoted, anally retentive cretin. This sort of BS really boils my curse word. Lets hope we can change a few minds at CARS. Ps. I also drive an Elise and its far from perfect
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bryn
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Apr 24, 2006 17:25:19 GMT
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He was going on about an Elise daily driver wasn't he? Don't Lotus sell a range of factory upgrades for these? So that would be changing from the original spec wouldn't it? Kind of like modifying it. After they've spent millions developing it. Hmmm ;D
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Apr 24, 2006 17:27:15 GMT
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He was going on about an Elise daily driver wasn't he? Don't Lotus sell a range of factory upgrades for these? So that would be changing from the original spec wouldn't it? Kind of like modifying it. After they've spent millions developing it. Hmmm ;D True! Lotus understand modyfiing why can't S-Type?
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Last Edit: Apr 24, 2006 17:29:07 GMT by Ministrone
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Apr 24, 2006 17:30:25 GMT
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my mate runs an elise garage, its where my bug is having the bodywork done - hence there is always shed loads of elises around in my pics lol. They do LOADS of upgrades for them, incl most recently a type-R engine conversion (both n/a and supercharged!)
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Apr 24, 2006 17:30:57 GMT
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lol apparently my rally is barry aswell! last year someone with clearly too much time took pics of my car when i took it to college and decided it was barry. then i got weeks of abuse on their forum
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Hirst
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This avatar is inaccurate, I've never shaved that closely
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Apr 24, 2006 17:35:46 GMT
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I have to say I think the points about the Elise are funny, well of course you're not going to get suspension for an Elise from Halfords, they do curse word all suspension bits for my Daihatsus either. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist - the suspension is one of the first bits Elise owners tend to replace because it tends to go dodgy fast.
I can understand the point he's trying to make but the way he puts it across doesn't really help matters.
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bryn
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Apr 24, 2006 17:37:32 GMT
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I think we should take it as a compliment, because it means that we are not like these people, and I for one quite like that fact. ;D
Sticks and stones etc
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Apr 24, 2006 17:40:25 GMT
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I the suspension is one of the first bits Elise owners tend to replace because it tends to go dodgy fast.. I can imagine him crawling to work in a morning with his red konis knocking like the bed head in whore house, with a smug look on his face knowing that his "bought in on the cheap" suspension is working just as Lotus intended.
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Apr 24, 2006 17:41:46 GMT
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I found this site through one of Hotwires posts on the PC forum. This was like a breath of fresh air to me. Id always loved "classic" cars ( if there really is such a thing) but ive alwys enjoyed a bit of modifying. Its true, some of the people posting on PC really do not want to hear other points of view. Some of the posters there are very open minded ( id like to think that i am) and some will NEVER change their attitudes. Hotwire, my friend, you are in a battle you cannot win, a battle of ideaology and brute force ignorance. I wish you well.
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If Typhoo put the Tea in Britain who put the c**t in Scunthorpe?
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Apr 24, 2006 17:46:04 GMT
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just directed my first post at johnno lets see him pick the bones out of that i decided to stay very subdued to start with
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Apr 24, 2006 17:48:04 GMT
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Hello.
I've lurked for quite a while, despite (or possibly because of) owning the least interesting car in existence, hopefully to be rectified when I'm no longer a poverty-ridden student and can afford something that wasn't given to me by my mum.
I used to post on Barryboys, but slowly got more and more annoyed by the narrow-minded, modified=bad opinions shown by S-Type / lusso (who, as I'm sure you'll find out, will refuse to ever believe he's wrong).
Anyhow, my point was - surely if
'if you want to go faster or to handle better save up, get some no claims and buy a better car. It is the only answer'
- the fact he's fitted an induction kit and a stainless exhaust to his precious Elise (no one mention VX220s being better or K-Series headgaskets...) rather than buying a 111R makes him a teeny bit of a hypocrite?
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Seth
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MorrisOxford TriumphMirald HillmanMinx BorgwardIsabellaCombi
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Apr 24, 2006 17:50:00 GMT
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Fortuantly I think there are very few out there in the regular classic world with those bigoted views. Just unfortunate that a couple of them enjoy spouting forth on the PC forum. I really can't believe someone would be repulsed by the car next to them at a show . Anyone there is an enthusiast after all! I also noticed the hypocricy of the Lotus thing. A normal Elise is obviously a compromise and is not an ultimate development of the type. Damn fine handling car if all the reports are true but never been in one so all I can say is you're lucky beggars who've got 'em!
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Apr 24, 2006 18:04:38 GMT
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It's unfortunate but it's very hard to have a real debate on an internet forum, I dare say we could all have a significantly more reasonable conversation in the flesh. We can be blinkered on here too - not to that extent of course, but let's not try to make enemies. Personally I'm quite offended to be lumped in with Halfords-modifiers, but I dare say so would all the owners of Max Power feature cars.
It's worth noting that in most of the cases with 'our' type of cars, our competition are banger racers and scrap yards. Those PC boys can have all the MGBs and Jags - I'll still be picking my projects from the bits of the free-ads they're to blinkered to read!
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