The Doctor
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Area 52 Trackday - CANCELLEDThe Doctor
@thedoctor
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Aug 13, 2010 15:38:50 GMT
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shame, but understandable! So why don't you guys all come over to here and do it on the Midlands track in Lelystad : the big oval is 425meter, so a nice track can be made, and timing is allowed! ;D
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Aug 13, 2010 15:41:17 GMT
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If I can get someone to look after Jed....and if you can arrange something on our behalf then I'm certainly up for that! Seriously. ;D
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The Doctor
Club Retro Rides Member
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Area 52 Trackday - CANCELLEDThe Doctor
@thedoctor
Club Retro Rides Member 48
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Aug 13, 2010 16:00:04 GMT
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take him with you! my sister loves dogs it can't be that expensive, I ran on that track a couple of weeks ago. It was part of a meet (just like RR). Entry fee for the meet was 8 euro per car and track was free. There where about 80 cars I think + some sponsorship/cash from the club. So a rough guess of 1000 euro for the day??? Every now and then an other organisation run a slalom (i guess this translates as autotest) on that track, it costs 20 euro for 3 runs and then 3 euro for every new run. (or 14 for 3 runs + 3 euro per run extra if you're a wimedo member) www.wimedo.nl I've never drove on a wimedo day there, but I heard they are great fun! 2 vids from 2 different years of me running around that track: and there's a little café on site which gives excelent food for a decent price! looked at the dates for wimedo days: Sunday 5th of September Saturday 25th of September Sunday 24th of Octobre Days start from 10:30 if you want more info: info@wimedo.nl
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2010 16:01:12 GMT by The Doctor
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bstardchild
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Area 52 Trackday - CANCELLEDbstardchild
@bstardchild
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Aug 13, 2010 16:05:06 GMT
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Now I feel I've been negative So I feel the need to be positive and nothing makes me more positive about trackdays than reading Ed's post after his first Marham event Clicky for a virgins taleTrackday prices trend with the seasons Spring cheaper Summer expensive Autumn cheaper Speak to companies like Javlin and see if they would be interested in catering for a group of cars on an airfield/circuit trackday early next spring - I'm sure that the price can be agreed that fits the target budget if you are prepared to be flexible. Haynes declared prices are for a max of 15 cars Half Day £675+VAT (avg £55 per car) Full Day £950+VAT (avg £76 per car) full day charge plus toilet/shower/camping costs and you are pretty much up to the off season rate for airfield trackdays £89-£99 per day Alternatively places like Brands Hatch and Snetterton do evening trackday sessions (5pm - 9pm) and they are normally more like £70 per car (extras for additional drivers) The gathering is great for getting people into motorsport or trackdays and that's why it has track and show content but like I said earlier I've some huge reservations on the suitablitity and the likelyhood of success for a trackday held on the Haynes circuit and I think the staff at Haynes would agree that it has limitations I think it would be great to see a bit of effort and time go into organising a retro based circuit day Links www.javelintrackdays.co.uk/trackday/index.php
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Area 52 Trackday - CANCELLEDHARDCORE
@hardcore
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Aug 13, 2010 16:25:44 GMT
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This really is a shame, especially as Bruce has started the leg-work already and I for one was really looking forward to it. My (WIP) track Benz hasn't been used in anger yet and I thought a relaxed trackday with friends would be a perfect place to give it it's 1st blast.
I'm not sure any of the other venues mentioned would be able to give us quite the same feeling day (i.e. everyone there knows everyone else, only 1 car on track at once, etc..) although I do take BC's points on board (perhaps 5 laps per run wouldn't have worked..) I'm not saying I wouldn't be up for a full trackday at one of these larger venues cos I totally would BUT this sounded like a fantastic introductory day and a great social event.
I don't really want to get involved in any inadvertent toe-stepping / accidental rudeness that may have occurred but an explanation of exactly why Bruce's plans have elicited such feelings would be very welcome. From where I'm sitting the fantastic and much appreciated efforts of the RRG organizing team going, not only towards a great weekend but also leading to a relationship / reputation with Haynes that means further independent events like this are possible can only be a good thing? I'm not sure where this RRGv2 thing has come from - I know that was never even remotely the intention. Bruce and I have spoken in the past about doing a trackday (as have others no doubt) although not in relation to Haynes but after this weekend it does seem to fit the bill rather well.
EDIT: Ooooh, posts since I started writing...
Bruce / Thomas - I'm so in!
Ian - more excellent points! (Spring is a loooong way away tho!)
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2010 16:30:57 GMT by HARDCORE
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Aug 13, 2010 16:28:51 GMT
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Curborough would be a good place to start and can be hired reasonably .Club Alpine Renault hire it every year . Bruntingthorpe also has a gentle little track with loads of runoff .
I'm going to Mallory Park tomorrow with the Renault Turbo Owners Club . That would be an ideal place .Camping is available etc .It is costing us 9k to hire fully manned for the day .Now that seems a lot at first glance but if you could get 120 cars it looks doable at half the price of a normal track day . I'm sure RR or 52 could get that many on board with it member base .
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2010 16:36:56 GMT by ratmangta
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Aug 13, 2010 16:38:12 GMT
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Following on from your comment on the phone the other day David I did look into other venues: Llandow is more than double the price (I rang and checked....along with Keevil and Colerne) so it seemed that Haynes was the best choice all round considering the facts, not because it was going to be a copy of the Gathering or cashing in on all of your guys hard work, but because they other circuits simply wouldn't have worked for the (relatively) limited number that Area 52 represent compared to the cost of the other alternatives. Dude, like I said earlier, partner up with someone.. I'm sure Big Perms South wales crew would love to do something,.. you can split the sessions 50/50, split the costs and all have a great day and meet new friends , win - win. Those coming from afar can sleep at the unit maybe and you can all convoy to the event Maybe do it a Keevil, or Llandow. You know you'll have full sessions, which isn't a luxury most people organising track days have
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skinnylew
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Area 52 Trackday - CANCELLEDskinnylew
@skinnylew
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Aug 13, 2010 16:46:41 GMT
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Hmmmm this appears to have caused some fall out, shame. Bruce how about getting on the back of something like the Action Days at Castle Combe: Its fairly close to Area 52, proper Track day, and is less organisation. That's unless there is a Retro Rides stand or similar. I have attended several of these in previous years and the format is very good, if you get enough cars together you could probably have a 15minute session just for A52. Its not dear either my last few sessions were £15 - £25 and my entry ticket was free Just a thought. Maybe we could organise a joint AXOC and A52 track day ;D In fact it is the 25th Anniversary of the Ax next year maybe i'll bug the admins on the AXOC to see if we can snaffle Combe for a Saturday?
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2010 16:50:32 GMT by skinnylew
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rtlkyuubi
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Aug 13, 2010 17:39:06 GMT
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Such a shame that its been canceled as I was really looking forward to it, with the micra being a slow car, haynes tight corners and short straight were perfect for it. But as Andy said, I don't know how this event has somehow turned into 'RRGv2' Since it was just chat between some of a52 members that want to go on track and when Bruce started organising it he offered spare spaces for RR people, ill shut up now though as its not my place to talk about it ;D Thomas that looks like an awsome track and I would love to go (never driven aboard before ) But I highly doubt I could afford the fuel to get there and back. If it costs £50 to get on track, then probably another £200 for fuel and ferry + £70 for a passport, means it would be alot cheaper for me to go to a normal track day. But I hope something turns out from this and we get a deal on a proper track, I cant remember who I was talking to but, there is supposedly a full track for cheap (haynes cheap) up in wales somewhere... Gonna try and google for it now
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2010 17:40:56 GMT by rtlkyuubi
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Aug 13, 2010 17:39:38 GMT
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it is a shame & i don't think this can be compared with the gathering if that's the case???
there's one at keevil next monday which has popped up on turbosport - £109
trig has sorted a few through turbosport aswell & they work out at all day at combe, open pits for about £150 which i reckon when they want £35 for 15 minutes on an action day is pretty good value. they have been posted on here before but never got any interest & i don't think no-one from here has ever attended one.
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Aug 13, 2010 18:23:57 GMT
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I don't really want to get involved in any inadvertent toe-stepping / accidental rudeness that may have occurred but an explanation of exactly why Bruce's plans have elicited such feelings would be very welcome. From where I'm sitting the fantastic and much appreciated efforts of the RRG organizing team going, not only towards a great weekend but also leading to a relationship / reputation with Haynes that means further independent events like this are possible can only be a good thing? I'm not sure where this RRGv2 thing has come from - I know that was never even remotely the intention. Bruce and I have spoken in the past about doing a trackday (as have others no doubt) although not in relation to Haynes but after this weekend it does seem to fit the bill rather well. Okay I'll give a brief not so brief explination and thats the last word I'll say on this. Firstly the order of the announcement and phone calls was an issue, publically announcing "We're doing this" then calling me to check it was all cool, can't help but make us look like the bad guys if we say "actually that could cause us problems", I doubt this was calculated, just enthusiasm over running the desire to stop and think about it, but the end result is the same, we are backed into a corner where we have to agree that it is all cool, or we're somehow terrible terrible people, no matter what the reason. Unintentional it may have been, but this is really not the way to do things. Secondly, there is a one way negative reflection on Retro Rides if the event goes sour, like nearly all Area 52 things it is organised and publicised through RR, therefore it is coupled to this forum, if it goes well, congrats to Area 52, if it goes bad, shame for Area 52 AND for Retro Rides, both in the eyes of the users and more importantly in the eyes of Haynes who we have spent A LOT OF TIME getting to accept our way of doing things. Thirdly timing again, we spent nearly a year organising and promoting the activity of last weekend, we started organising Next Years show nearly a month ago (whilst still organising this year's show), so to us it feels as if this event was being promoted off the back of our hard work, with little to no recognition of that fact, it's that one way reflection thing again. Picture it as an 800 metre relay, three guys run themselves ragged to get the last guy a full lap ahead, he strolls home half jogging and picks up a sole gold medal, whilst the previous guys are still desperatly trying to get the feeling back in their legs writhing around in agony. If the event had been organised on the Area52 website and then nearer the time any spare spaces put up on here it would have solved the last two points. Forthly. This event would have sucked. For all the reasons that BC put up, it would not have been a good event for organising in terms of cost, for attending in terms of fun on the track, for the venue in terms of enjoyment had by its visitors and therefore for us in terms of other people that organise events at that venue. If you go to a pub and some drunk guy gives you abuse and ruins your evening, you don't go back to that pub, or at least you think twice about it; the drunk guy wasn't related to the venue, or the people that organised your night out, but you still think twice from your previous bad experience. Fifthly (and finally), despite our expressing on the phone that there were better venues, better ways to do this and that Haynes wouldn't be a good choice for a number of reasons, there was an insistance on doing it there, which is where the perception of Gathering V2 comes from, a cool by association event because it uses the same venue no matter how totally unsuitable it is. So... in conclusion, we look like the bad guys, there was no way we couldn't, because we don't want people having a bad time at an event and associating it with Retro Rides. We'd rather people that asked for advice listened and took on board what we were saying. We don't really appreciate people potentially jeapordising the 7 years of hard work we've put into building up this forums name and 5 years of very very very hard work we've put into building up a shows reputation and establishing relationships with venues in order to promote their own brand. We are more than willing to help put together with Bruce and A52 a great track day, that is well organised and that everyone will enjoy, that won't end up bankrupting Bruce, if he so desires.
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Aug 13, 2010 18:31:31 GMT
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What about Pembrey circuit?
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Aug 13, 2010 18:36:20 GMT
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there David.
Hopefully Bruce and the A52 guys can get something together in the future. Maybe an A52 stand at the Castle Combe Classic Action Day would be a good place to start, you get track time for those that want it, a chill out area on the stand for those that don't and a slow lap or two at lunchtime for everyone else.
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Aug 13, 2010 19:36:50 GMT
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Honestly this seems a very odd response to something that was never billed as a show or as 'The Gathering V2' as others are saying. The fact that people are making assumptions on whether this event would 'suck' or not weeks before its even taken place is quite frankly ridiculous. No one knew the facts around the event or the organisation other than Bruce, and yet people were ready to write it off straight away.
This community has always been based around the support of others and their ventures, the exact same ethos has been followed by Area 52. Area 52 is a part of Retro-Rides, it is not another entity or elite group living off the volume of members of Retro-Rides, it is Retro-Rides. Instead now though if we are not careful we will see the beginning of a divide and that is simply something we could do without. No one wants to pick sides, or see this brilliant forum turn into some kind of Playground squabble, that would just be pure stupidity.
Personally I could not see the issue with Bruce organising a driving based event at the same venue as The Gathering. Haynes Museum is a public facility, with a track that happened to be perfect for the type of thing we were looking to achieve. The fact that The Gathering was held there was irrelevant.
Anyway, I've said my piece, as of now, after a phone call a few minutes ago with Bruce, the Track Day is off until either the underlying issues are settled or resolved and/or we find another suitable venue.
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2010 19:36:40 GMT by WillCarter
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Aug 13, 2010 19:49:49 GMT
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shame, but understandable! So why don't you guys all come over to here and do it on the Midlands track in Lelystad : the big oval is 425meter, so a nice track can be made, and timing is allowed! ;D I like your thinking... 480ish miles from my door to track via Calais... I need to experience more of Europe, and want to drive some more tracks.
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Aug 13, 2010 20:06:59 GMT
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Very interesting outcome to this thread.
Myself and a few mates are looking at doing a trackday at Keevil organised by Motorsport Events later in the year, likely to be a shade under £100 (open pit lane). If anyone is interested then send me a PM.
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stealthstylz
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Area 52 Trackday - CANCELLEDstealthstylz
@stealthstylz
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Aug 13, 2010 20:10:14 GMT
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Great now i'm gonna have to do a normal trackday and try and find the limits of my car whilst avoiding everybody else. Thanks.
Matt
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Aug 13, 2010 20:11:53 GMT
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Aug 13, 2010 20:28:25 GMT
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Great now i'm gonna have to do a normal trackday and try and find the limits of my car whilst avoiding everybody else. Thanks. Matt Watch this space, all might not be lost, news to come soon. Chill out, I think we'll all be smiling again soon.
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Area 52 Trackday - CANCELLEDRobinxr4i
@robinxr4i
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Aug 13, 2010 20:29:09 GMT
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Hope something else can be organised without bad feelings. From reading the thread I can see the point of view from both sides, I think the important thing to remember is that (as far as I'm concerned) there was never any intentional free loading or band wagon jumping. And the other side it's important to protect your investment.
Now FFS man up, let's more on.
Bruce the Cone Dodgers drift day at Llandow that I'm attending next week is £80 and the guys who've organised it from Tramp Drift (Drew and Duke) seem to reckon it's a goer with around 25 people and that with free tyre changing. It might be worth asking them how they got on.
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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