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why derv? I'm after that mythical mega miles per gallon, although I guess you need a light weight 5 or 6 speed manual car with good aerodynamics and all the electronics to make that happen. I just find myself depressed at the third tank of unleaded at £80+ in as many weeks in the Lexus. LPGing it would be one way forward. Probably the best way forward. That gets me an equivalent to 40 MPG. Yeah, I know that feeling. The little IS is using over £60 a week at the moment, when I throw in a Blackpool run to see the other half. That is about 375 miles, but I can see a diesel, or even the right turbo petrol doing better than that.
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berendd
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ovlov 240 came with a diesel didn't it? it was a VW bus lump but later models are quite ok performance wise?
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injected twin cam sierras will do 40mpg if not thrashed, they will hit 30+mpg while towing a car on a trailer, stillc heap to buy tatty ones but big enough to get everything and everyone in.
The 2 litre twincam Scorpio i bought to strip for my Transit was reading over 40mpg on the motorway when i drove it back from Yarmouth.
I know a DERV would beat those figures, but could you pick up a classic one dirt cheap and just ready to use for under 500 quid?
Still plenty on ebay to choose from, theres at least two diesels on there for under 300 quid at the mo as well if you do want an engine donor.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Of course if you were brave enough to tackle modern wiring and ECUs etc, there is the Toyota V8 TDi and the VW V10 TDi.
Not a weekend swap by any means, but in something big and old but lighter due to not being overloaded with gadgets could make quite a large portion of awesome and be more economical.
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SteveP
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I have a suggestion...
1.9TD out of a Renault 19 Volvo 340 using 1.7 bellhousing, clutch parts, coolant hoses and mounts.
Volvo 340 1.9TD! The only thing I would be slightly concerned about is the prop, but given the number of 16v conversions popping up it'd probably be fine!
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Volvo 240 with Volvo 940 Vw sourced D24TIC and M90 gearbox. 240 will need some work to get the gearbox to fit but can't be that bad!
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Last Edit: May 17, 2010 9:05:41 GMT by SteveP
2003 - Volvo S60 D5 SE (Daily) 1989 - Volvo 360 GLT 1985 - Volvo 360 GLS
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bortaf
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May 17, 2010 10:17:22 GMT
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Di is bloody heavy it'll totaly ruin the handling of any car IMHO and getting a normal RWD box to fit isn't an easy option cos the Di uses a huge BH totaly differant to normal ford BH patterns, i was concidering a 200TDi into a transit for my next recovery truck but i decided on a trailor and a TD P100 as better outfit ?
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May 17, 2010 11:05:04 GMT
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I found a P100 a bit light on the back for towing, you get a sideways see saw action going with the trailer loaded, gets better if you make sure the nose weight is on the limit, they tow better than the saloons though, longer wheelbase and stiffer rear springs i guess, still not as good as a big van or 4x4 but cheaper to run.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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May 17, 2010 11:21:38 GMT
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I'm suprised nobody has coinsidered the VW TD lump. One of these will bolt to a VW RWD box, can be tuned to show good BHP ( there is a Portugese Golf with one of these engines which is pushing out a genuine 250BHP) and its, possibly, slightly less agricultural than the Isuzu lump. I was going to say that, there's a guy on Youtube who has one from a MK2 Jetta in a Chrysler minivan that claims he can do epic mileage in it.
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May 17, 2010 13:15:41 GMT
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Apparently you can get up to 80mpg from a pug 1.9TD engine on a run if you go really easy on it.
I thrash mine quite abit as I enjoy the turbo kicking in but it still returns about 50-55mpg
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May 17, 2010 14:56:02 GMT
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Apparently you can get up to 80mpg from a pug 1.9TD engine on a run if you go really easy on it. ORLY? Even at 1500rpm in top gear I reckon you'd struggle to get that
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May 17, 2010 15:41:43 GMT
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You can certainly get 100mpg out of the Citroen AX diesel, using hypermiling techniques. 65-80mpg is more realistic for long journeys, maybe down to 55-60 on shorter or faster journeys.
That's the non-turbo 1.5 TUD though - and in a very, very light, very aerodynamic bodyshell made out of French tinfoil.
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May 17, 2010 15:57:28 GMT
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mate of mines got a swb landy with an isuzu diesel in it,I'm sure its still got the standard landy running gear ;D
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May 17, 2010 17:17:24 GMT
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There are a few of diesel kit cars around - one which was in PPC and uses a modern-ish electronically controlled engine, the other seems to use a Ford one. Not read either through but there should be some good RWD conversion and electronics advice. I've thought this through before but always come to the conclusion that LPG is the way to go, so long as you intend to keep the car for a few years. westfield-world.com/pics_paulr.htmlforums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=247471www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=30&t=753323&nmt=diesel%20sevens%20?Don't think a diesel kitcar is really attractive, surely the idea is low weight and high power for handling and performance, diesels are the opposite. 99% of kitcars only do a couple of thousand miles a year so any economy advantages are insignificant.
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MrT
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May 17, 2010 17:47:40 GMT
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Ford Maverick/Nissan Terrano II 2.7TDi. Now, my tuned SWB (plug in tuning box and K&N 57i - around 165bhp) was considerably quicker than a Disco TD5. They were also available with a 2.4 petrol, and the 2.7 diesel was also fitted to the London Taxi, so a RWD 'box should be absolutely no problem at all. Get an earlier non-intercooled version and there's next to no electrics to plumb in at all. And to top it all, they're absolutely bomb-proof Dale
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May 17, 2010 20:18:37 GMT
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A hotrod with a Pug or VW 1.9 on veggie would be a cool daily.
with the pug, and an LDV box you could probably quite easily fit it too.
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May 17, 2010 20:45:07 GMT
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Here's my offering: Merc 250d engine into a 114/5. About 100bhp old fashioned, lazy oil burner. Pulls the old nail along pretty well, especially now its on the 5 speed box. About as simple as engines get in terms of plumbing one in. I would have gone for the turbo versio of this engine, as they are more powerful (obviously), nicer to drive and better on juice - but couldn't find one at the right price when I needed one. Another Merc option would be the 2.9 5 cylinder found in Sang Yong/Daewoo Musso's - its available in turbo and non-turbo and can be picked up for very little monies. Fits the 124 merc 5 speed 'box. Slight curveball - I'm also building up a Daihatsu 2.8 td onto an LT77 tr7 box to go into my Volvo project. These are quite compact engines for their size and have great tuning potential - currently working out flow characteristics of OEM turbos to build a compound-charged set-up....... Joe
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May 17, 2010 20:49:47 GMT
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I must admit I have only read the 80mpg on the internet so its prob aload of curse word but I reckon you could get 60-65mpg if you were careful.
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I must admit I have only read the 80mpg on the internet so its prob aload of balderdash but I reckon you could get 60-65mpg if you were careful. AX: 80-87mpg hypermiling, 70+ easy running 106: 70-75 hypermiling, 60+ easy running guaranteed figures.
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Standard vanguard? my uncle had a slammed , albeit petrol version of one of these beetleback vanguards... very cool car with a little work Fact 1: During the two years from 1954 to 1955, Standard produced a diesel version of the Vanguard, which had the distinction of being the first British diesel car. The 2-litre diesel engine, already fitted to 30,000 Ferguson tractors, was noisy, smelly, and slow. If you were behind one on the road, you knew it was a diesel because of the black smoke. Not surprisingly, the model was discontinued in spite of delivering 50 m.p.g. fuel consumption. The diesel engine was also fitted to many black London taxis as a modification.
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bortaf
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May 18, 2010 11:51:26 GMT
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I found a P100 a bit light on the back for towing, you get a sideways see saw action going with the trailer loaded, gets better if you make sure the nose weight is on the limit, they tow better than the saloons though, longer wheelbase and stiffer rear springs I guess, still not as good as a big van or 4x4 but cheaper to run. Yeh I have thought/worried about that but it's mostly for towing in scrappers on trailers and the frag yard is only 2 miles away and the bed will be full of frag as well so i'm hoping it'll be OK
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