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May 16, 2010 18:09:10 GMT
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there was (i believe) a sd1 rover using pug power and I seem to think someone built a 7 replica using diesel power The Rover SD1 had the 2.5 VM diesel that was also put into the early diesel range rover model. I put one into a 2 door rangey I had at the time. They are intended for using with RWD cars so plenty of gearbox options available. They are all turbo charged and aren't bad engines..... plenty of 'em still around for replacement units and parts in the 90's version jeep wrangler. The one I had got me 28 mpg, which aint bad for the old tractor gearbox fitted Rangey. Easy fit under most RWD retro bonnets I'd have thought too.
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May 16, 2010 18:15:20 GMT
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I'm not sure about the box for the 1.7 Isuzu, but B8D's your man for that - he's doing that to his Viva at the moment.
As mentioned by others, for a tax free daily diesel, I'd be looking at an engine swap from the mid 80s to early 90s rather than trying to search out the few diesel examples.
TBH, most small petrol cars from the 60s and early 70s can do 40+MPG. They probably lack a bit of grunt compared to your recent cars through...
My Imp does 45mpg, but takes 20-odd seconds to hit 60. It's perfectly safe on modern roads, but you do have to think ahead and maintain momentum whenever possible. Good fun, though.
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May 16, 2010 18:27:15 GMT
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there was (i believe) a sd1 rover using pug power and I seem to think someone built a 7 replica using diesel power The Rover SD1 had the 2.5 VM diesel that was also put into the early diesel range rover model. I put one into a 2 door rangey I had at the time. They are intended for using with RWD cars so plenty of gearbox options available. They are all turbo charged and aren't bad engines..... plenty of 'em still around for replacement units and parts in the 90's version jeep wrangler. The one I had got me 28 mpg, which aint bad for the old tractor gearbox fitted Rangey. Easy fit under most RWD retro bonnets I'd have thought too. sorry didnt make myself clear, i was talking about the planned indian sd1 as for the vm diesel the only problem i know of with them is they can crack heads which is a bit pricey to fix but i must admit a tax free vehicle running on cooking oil really does appeal to me i did have thoughts of a zetec into my beetle but a 1.9 pug diesel on veg really awakes the skinflint in me (local tesgo doing a bogoff on veg at the moment) ttfn glenn
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May 16, 2010 18:45:25 GMT
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325/525 tds engine? turbo, 180hp+ with the right intercooler and bits and ~35-40 mpg in the heavy e36/e39s
already has a rwd box and are quite simple in terms of design and construction.
not the best diesel engine out there but in terms of fitting to ta retro are probably the best compromise of power, rwdness, smoothness and mpg.
they also come in the omega for added griffinness for the holden boys.
seem to be quite a tune-able engine as well.
i think si is using a manta box for his viva diesel conversion.
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May 16, 2010 18:46:11 GMT
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Diesel MK2 Granada was smoking about round here for a while, think they too use the Pug engines, not tax free though.
Modern Japanese turbo derv into a Jag floats my boat.
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May 16, 2010 18:52:14 GMT
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Only problem with the BMW 325 TDS engine is fact that the diesel pumps are not the most sturdy things on them.
For me, if it had to be a small car, I'd say either a Pug 205 STDT but on new suspension/bushes etc (AFAIK, they were basically a GTi but with a derv in them), or a 106 1.5D with XSi bits. They're not quick, but my friend's example on XSi suspension, and 15" 205 Speedlines was quite a treat in the corners.
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May 16, 2010 19:11:25 GMT
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Wasnt that 7 replica being built in PPC magazine? I'm suprised nobody has coinsidered the VW TD lump. I had one in a Ibiza, only 90BHP ( but can be had with 120BHP) and that was a stonkingly good lump, pulled like a train with fabulous economy. One of these will bolt to a VW RWD box, can be tuned to show good BHP ( there is a Portugese Golf with one of these engines which is pushing out a genuine 250BHP) and its, possibly, slightly less agricultural than the Isuzu lump.
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May 16, 2010 19:13:43 GMT
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sorry didnt make myself clear, I was talking about the planned indian sd1 as for the vm diesel the only problem I know of with them is they can crack heads which is a bit pricey to fix The Indian SD1 used the standard 2000 engine - not sure what it was based on, but I think it was their development of the old standard vanguard/triumph lump, as also found in TR2s and Fergie tractors. There was a Standard Vaguard diesel - they built 2000 of them. 66 MPH flat out, 32 seconds 0-50, and 37.5 MPG. The other problem witht he BMW 325TDS engines is the wiring, which I understand is quite complex.
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May 16, 2010 20:27:24 GMT
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As mentioned by others, for a tax free daily diesel, I'd be looking at an engine swap from the mid 80s to early 90s rather than trying to search out the few diesel examples. Yep I'm hoping to go down this route so if anyone knows bolt-in RWD derv motor for an escort sized 70's Hillman can you let me know
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May 16, 2010 20:56:31 GMT
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I think B8D is using a Manta box on his isuzu, which means in theory that any non CIH vauxhall RWD box (ie Manta 1.8, Carlton 1.8 / 2.0 and any petrol Omega) would fit. I think the turbo sits where one of the RWD engine mounts should be. However, apparently easily tuneable to 10X BHP and also beyond with a different turbo. This is only what Ive read on the net, so do take with a pinch of salt Ive got one in my Cavalier, and sure its not mega refined but its not a tractor either. Seems to go ok as standard and gets 45mpg when thrashed and 64 when tickled.
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May 16, 2010 20:58:11 GMT
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then theres the 2.3 TD found in early carltons (maybe only NA) later carltons, and fronteras.
Again, injection pump, so no silly wiring. I THINK it may of been based on the CIH lumps but not sure. about 100bhp as standard. That would give you a RWD package and box ready to rock.
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May 16, 2010 21:18:32 GMT
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Early mk3 Cortina with a 1.8td lump! Try and find a rotten p100 td and swap it all across. Not the most refined diesel engine but you can play with the boost and fuelling a little bit, and the best bit is its a really easy fit! Plus early mk3 means tax free!
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May 16, 2010 21:40:17 GMT
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200 Tdi is a nice lump and would be even nicer in a lighter vehical but it's a heavy old thing, 280Kgs was the figure i got off the land rover forums when i owned one so concider the impact on the handling as well. The 1.8TD in the 205 is a sprightly lump, certainly went ok in the 205 i had but may not be quite so good in a heavyer RWD ? the later 1.9 i had in a 406 went very well but as already noted had leccy gubbins though the eaerlyer 306 is the same but no lectrics i believe ? there's also a lot of tuning data out there for the 306TD, here for example www.club-306.com/guides/306_turbo_tuningI've had the larger 2.5 pug TD in LDVs and they were a reliable lump if not as good as the 200TDi but then they were an older design and lighter. Also had a few BL diesels (converted B series) and they were wibblepoo as were the 2.25 LR lumps i had in other LDVs and in series landys for that matter, well to be fair the LR diesels were just agricultural and slow and a bit like the ford Di, pretty bullit proof. I liked the Izuzu TD in the Mk3 astra van i had and would certainly be on my list for a viva or similar but i allways seem to get the ones that blow head gaskets info on tuning the Izuzu www.cavweb-forums.co.uk/showthread.php?77961-Diesel-How-2-Tune-your-turbo-dieselI've just bought a Ford 1.8TD for my Mk3 cortina, mainly for ease of fittment, you have to take the initial outlay and fitting costs into the equation which in my case will be roughly £400 after it's all serviced and fitted which is less than a decent LPG kit and i get to keep my boot space which i need ( i regularly carry a wheel chair in the boot) also it came with a 5 speed that drops straight in as well in that price Hope that ramble helped more than it hinderd
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May 16, 2010 21:40:22 GMT
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I think that 1.8 TD lump was what Jeff put in the Consul and it took some fitting for some reason. Its big in a few of the wrong places, or something. He said he could have fitted a V8 easier. So I'm wary of the idea it might drop into a Cortina.
I'm also wary of the idea of common 60s & 70s cars doing 45 mpg, as this is not my experiance of them. Published figures for stuff like the HB Viva is like 28 MPG average or something. I had a HA which would manage 35 or more when babied, I got similar from my Minors, I know the challenge was to try get a genuine 40.
And TBH minimalist motoring like that does appeal (and I know of an A40 Farina which could be acquired) but...
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May 16, 2010 21:56:05 GMT
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It does depend on the length of journeys, TBH - most of my mileage is 100+ mile journeys, and my averages tend to include this as well. Short journeys, especially in stop start traffic, are 35 max.
When I worked during my gap year I went home every weekend, which was a 70 mile trip each way on a roughly equal mix of motorways and fast A roads. I wasn't exactly gentle with it, and I still got 42.5mpg (calculated, brim to brim, with the odometer) - although I did tend to sit at 60-65 on the motorway.
That said, the Imp's engine is a relatively advanced design and it does have a reputation for being good on fuel. I don't know what you'd get out of the other cars of the era.
EDIT - I did do a run from York back home - a good 200 miles - at 70, with short sections flat out at 80. I didn't calculate the mpg precisely, but IIRC it was around 35-40.
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May 16, 2010 22:01:25 GMT
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I think that 1.8 TD lump was what Jeff put in the Consul and it took some fitting for some reason. Its big in a few of the wrong places, or something. He said he could have fitted a V8 easier. So I'm wary of the idea it might drop into a Cortina. I'm also wary of the idea of common 60s & 70s cars doing 45 mpg, as this is not my experiance of them. Published figures for stuff like the HB Viva is like 28 MPG average or something. I had a HA which would manage 35 or more when babied, I got similar from my Minors, I know the challenge was to try get a genuine 40. And TBH minimalist motoring like that does appeal (and I know of an A40 Farina which could be acquired) but... If you check on BSC you'll see some Mk3s already converted, i'll be doing a how too in a few weeks if you can wait that long? got some family stuff that's gonna keep me out the garage for a week or so but it will be going in in a few weeks, it's not very common but it's been done before 5 or 6 times, pluss Scarey had one in a capri, Mk1 GXLTD anyone ;D or a GTD I do mainly round town and even in good tune i have trouble getting 20MPG out of my pinto whereas (my 2.3 cologne is even worse! ) in the last sierra TD i had it was a constant 30 on a run i get 28 ish with the pinto i'd expect over 40 with the TD add to that i'll be running 50/50 new cooking oil and diesel the price per ltr comes down to 95p as well so the equilelent millage per £1 is even higher.
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May 16, 2010 22:16:19 GMT
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Peugeot 505 or Citroen CX? Pretty rare though.
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May 16, 2010 23:02:20 GMT
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how about the 2.5 di from a transit ? 5 speed rwd, common as muck, cheap as chips and available in a range of flavours and the turbos although a bit tecnical on the electrical side i believe can be wound to about 150 bhp ttfn glenn
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There's 3 diesel conversions continually come into my head with that strange - "when I've completed the current project" sentiment.
1. Hunter or Avenger with XUD/LT77 combination 2. A60 Farina with Perkins unit from 220D 3. Cortina Mk1/2 with 1.8TD and Sierra/P100 Transmission.
All should be fairly achievable and return decent mpg for daily driving duties and I'm always keeping an eye out to collect the bits for such a conversion but I need to focus on the existing project rather than bring more tat into the yard!...but then again a BMW525TDS powered Rover P4 or Triumph 2000/2500 would be nice.....
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[x] Available pre '73 [x] A design classic [x] Room for the family [x] Diesel, with more modern diesel upgrade available [x] RWD (see 2nd pic) [ ] Good for high speed cruising
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