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Jan 30, 2006 12:44:05 GMT
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Have a butchers at this thread here... www.nsra.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=20168Anyone not yet written to their MP about this - things are getting serious. What we need is a single lobby body which represents the interests of people who own modified vehicles.
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Last Edit: Jan 30, 2006 12:44:41 GMT by akku
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Jan 30, 2006 14:25:29 GMT
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Makes you wonder where they will draw the line between modified and where non standard parts are fitted because the originals are no longer available.
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Jan 30, 2006 14:36:06 GMT
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There is no actual sense in any of this of course. Its the government after all...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Davenger
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Jan 30, 2006 14:39:54 GMT
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Hmm, I asked my local MP to chase up the details on the clamping dow on modded cars and he got a letter from Stephen Ladyman saying that there were no such plans. My MP sent me a photocopy of the letter, so I've got it in writing. Not that means anything, since when has a government official ever told the truth?
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Jan 30, 2006 15:01:25 GMT
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This is all very interesting, still,.. and it's been discussed a number of times.
I think the thread linked has a good approach, it's not all hand wringing and tinfoil hats. More how can we (as the modifying community) make sure our voice is heard....
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Jan 30, 2006 16:11:04 GMT
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I think the only way forward is a UK body which looks after the political interests of all modified cars. The FBHVC is a good organisation but only looks after stock classic owners.
Daveyboy, since the DVLA has actually been out to consultation on this I don't think your MP must have looked very hard into it! Most MPs wouldn't know one end of a torque wrench from the other so you need to be very specific when dealing with them.
The matter at issue is the enforced SVA of cars which fail to meet the DVLA VIC points requirements to retain the original ID. Its a very technical point and not something which I guess the House gives a lot of time to.
When the consultation went out, it went to the Police, SMMT (spit, boo, hiss), Association of British Insurers, Friends of The Earth, Greenpeace, Transport 2000, Brake, some local councils, and a bunch of other organisations like that. These are the people who are getting the voice in what the future policy of the DVLA and VOSA will be towards old and modified cars!
The rest of it is pretty much set in stone. MOT test centres will increasinngly be used to pick up "rogue" vehicles, the DVLA will have more inspectors to check up on vehicles with what they see as dodgy ID. The only way forward is for the modified car scene to make sure we have a way of staying legal in all this, which under the current SVA we cannot. Where can you even get SVA legal "E" marked rear lights for a Morris Minor for example? So if they force us to SVA our cars we will fail and the cost of getting them to current spec will be massive, plus will ruin the character of our cars. What the guys at the NSRA are pushing for is a classification which allows older cars to be judged by the standards of the days they were made, not current standards...
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MWF
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Jan 30, 2006 16:35:30 GMT
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What the guys at the NSRA are pushing for is a classification which allows older cars to be judged by the standards of the days they were made, not current standards... Is this not a very awkard point? I would have thought the argument that they were adequate for their age is a hard thing to put forward to people who want to raise the compliancy of -all- cars on the road?
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Jan 30, 2006 18:37:32 GMT
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All other vehicles are judged by the standards of their age. The thing is as a "new" car (which is what SVA is there to test) they expect stuff like padded dash tops, break away interior mirrors, "E" marked lights, specific locations of lights etc. burst proof door latches, etc. etc. Now if you have a 100E you'll have to respec the whole damn car - those door handles are also illegal for SVA - someone hight catch their coat sleeve in it - seriously! Now some people may not mind flush fitting door handles for a custom look, but to others wanting a period style car it would be an absolute pain. As would having to fit modern compliant tail light clusters etc etc. IMO if its good enough for an MOT its good enough, right? We don;t want to get to the stage like they have in California where they are fighting legilsation which means that ALL cars of ANY age will have to be tested in their MOT style test to the current production standards - that means fitting catalytic converters for the emissions and everything. I'm a little behind so this may have already been chucked out over there, but an old car is an old car and we need to keep them regarded and tested that way.
More than one state in the US now has a law that if a car is a replica of an older style car its tested as the car its a replica of - so build a brand new '32 Ford Hot Rod and it only has to meet the standards for 1932 even though its a brand new car. How enlightened is that?
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Last Edit: Jan 30, 2006 18:39:00 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 30, 2006 21:17:51 GMT
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It's awesome.
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Jan 30, 2006 23:58:49 GMT
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Not seen that this time round. worrying, but still no reply from my MP, if thats how they deal with their people, theres defo no chnce i'll be voting for them (not that i did last time).
Out of interest, where is the best place to emmigrate to, anywhere?
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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Davenger
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Daveyboy, since the DVLA has actually been out to consultation on this I don't think your MP must have looked very hard into it! Most MPs wouldn't know one end of a torque wrench from the other so you need to be very specific when dealing with them. Asking the guy in charge of the department of transport, I'd say that was looking into it quite nicely ;D
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Well he's asking the wrong person then... The guy in charge of this (I presume as they are being a bit secretive) is Bob Oliver, Head of Vehicle Policy at the DVLA.
I actually took part in the consultation excercise on the review September of so of last year so unless I was dreaming the 1000 question questionaire I spent abut 4 hours of my life completeing then this is taking place.
One other thing they are suggesting is to remove tax-exempt status from modified vehicles made prior to 1972. It was one of the topic areas.
The initial circulation for consultation was ACPO, BRAKE, Transport 2000, RoSPA, etc. etc. and I only found out about it because of someone who knew someone at the DVLA posting on the NSRA forum about 3 or 4 days before the final date for responces to be in at the DVLA. The consultation had been open for about 3 or 6 months (I forget which) by this time, its just that they hadn't told anyone who would be affected by it! Its like Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy when they say the plans have been on display in a locked filing cabinet in an unlit basement guarded by a panther! There was a downloadable version of the document and an online questionaire which was hidden about 7 levels deep under "technical stratergy and policy development" or something similar.
I've been through this with the DVLA before when they introduced the "continuous licencing" proposals back in the mid 1990s under the tories. I actually got to go to DVLA HQ and got into the policy unit and met Bob Oliver and crew. Actually not bad folks, but being driven to deliver results on stuupid government targets. Last time we managed to get a concession out of them - Historic Vehicle free road tax. Hopefully we'll get something out of them this time as well.
Remember, this is not a new law or anything so its not on the political radar. Its internal departmental administrative changes and amendments to regulations.
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One other thing they are suggesting is to remove tax-exempt status from modified vehicles made prior to 1972. It was one of the topic areas. I knew it, i could feel it in my waters. they are after every last shread of fun, feeedom, and money we have got. My cars not even pre 72, but if it goes ahead i feel sorry for those who paid that bit more for their pre 72 car. Worrying. so what can we do now bearing in mind my MP ignored me?
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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alistairk, you have mail.
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1953 Minor (Long term project) PT Cruiser
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Its like Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy..... "I found the plans on display in the bottom drawer of a locked filing cabinet in a disused toilet with a sign on the door saying 'beware of the leopard'" </douglas adams geek mode>
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jan 31, 2006 10:09:58 GMT
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Not really that interesting to those of us with older cars here in the UK, but of interest to anyone who's thinking of importing a car in future - just picked this one up (again via the NSRA forum)
I'm also interested the effect of a target to reduce road deaths by 50% by 2010 will have on transport policy in the next couple of years.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 31, 2006 10:32:49 GMT
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This is a Jiangling Landwind… looks strangely familiar!!! They should be asking themselves how did the dutch importer bring in ‘sizeable quantities’ of this sh*t pile using ‘individual import’ legislation? Someone’s been bending the rules, simple as that.
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Last Edit: Jan 31, 2006 10:36:37 GMT by Mr_Bo11ox
1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jan 31, 2006 10:40:42 GMT
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Sadly one person (or company) bending the rules in one place often leads to a smack in the mouth for the honest majority elsewhere.
Funny if that is a Vx Frontera then how come its so "life threatening" now when we were happy to sell it and distribute it during the 1990s?
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 31, 2006 10:58:45 GMT
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Funny if that is a Vx Frontera then how come its so "life threatening" now when we were happy to sell it and distribute it during the 1990s? The video of the crash test for this car floats around the net sometimes. I'm not sure how fair it is to compare it to the original Fontera as the problem appears to be the way the subfame comes through into the cabin during the crash. It's not possible to say just what may have been changed under the surface.
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