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Oct 21, 2009 13:18:19 GMT
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Passat ,you sure ?  LOL The fact the book hasn't been confiscated ( deregistered) explains the tax reminder even though he doesn't currently have the V5C . Re the monocoque I'm just playing Devils Advocate here , I know what we (over at ACE ) believe to be the definition of a 'monococque' and hopefully calarification by DVLA and subsequent discussion, should theirs prove to be different, may sort at least one part of the points system out so it's understandable to all. |
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Oct 21, 2009 13:32:30 GMT
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Ha, try dealing with bikes... Apply the points scheme rigarously, and every single classic bike rebuild project should be a q plate. I once bought a '69 Honda 450 Black bomber that was Q plated and 1986 dated because the owner told dvla he used the frame from one bike but the engine, wheels and forks from another (identical) bike. If he had only notified the engine change and not mentioned the rest, no-one would be any the wiser and his bike would have been worth twice as much. I agree , no different to any car in any carpark anywhere, how many retain enough parts under the 8 points system and that would be purely from maintenance rather than any modifications. Which shows how flawed the DVLA system actually is .However it doesn't stop them applying it when ,for whatever reason, vehicles are brought to their attention. You can still build some wild cars WITHIN the points system, or use the BIVA as necc.However imagine how you would feel when you unintentionally cross the lines of a rule system 'you' know nothing about and it leaves you with an illegal vehicle. Regardless of how ,when , where the rules aren't applied correctly it doesn't unfortunately change the fact they still exist . I'm as frustrated as anyone about the rules , that's why I'm part of the team trying to get a more workable system ( amongst other stuff) . I'm very interested to see the outcome of this one as well . |
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Oct 21, 2009 18:57:49 GMT
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If i had never sent the log book in they would have been none the wiser, so no the log book has not been confiscated.
It is worrying the DVLC are now waiting from a reprt from the person (just happened to be a lady in her late 50's not that it should make any difference should it?) who appeared to know nothing about cars to see what happens about my log book.
Incidentally I believe if you own a astra van it states on the log book 'car derived van'
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Oct 21, 2009 20:49:33 GMT
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It puzzles me why you cant convert an estate to a van when so many vans out there are converted hatchbacks. IE Clio / Punto are just hatchbacks and they remove the glass and fit in blanks (that are just clipped in)
A friend of mine bought a Clio van, put windows in the back and told DVLA - the hoops he had to jump through to get a V5C was amazing to the point of being farsical - he now has a V5c and he didnt need any official checks.
Many moons ago I used to work for MItsubishi and they never imported a van so they converted the estates to vans by paneling the side panels in and removing the interior - that was it. Isuzu did the same with the Trooper and Land rover with the Discovery (They were converted at BMW Thorne Doncaster)
Now i'm a trained panel beater - got all my city and guilds etc (not in the trade now) but as far as paperwork goes I suppose in the eyes of the the authorities i'd be deemed a proffesional ?? I don't own a bodyshop and i don't repair cars any more but I have an Anglia Estate that I'd like to turn into a van - now you look in original press release paperwork and Ford did this exact conversion by just panneling the side ... (they still left the seats in though) I suppose i'm going to have to jump through hoops as well !! The cars not been on the road for 12 years so if I suddenly put it on the road after all the graft and then notify changes - is it just pot luck what happens ??
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Oct 21, 2009 21:08:23 GMT
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One step at a time jubfab. I would put it back on the road first as is. MOT, the lot. Then do the changes, and send off the V5, if you must. Then wait for the sh1te to hit the fan. Don't give the DVLA too much at once to take in.
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Oct 21, 2009 23:11:23 GMT
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well i'd like to know what they'd do re logbooks that say things like the mk3 cortina 2 dr base model i had recently, this just said make ford,body 2 axle rigid body?  ? i was only the 2nd owner. far as i can see this could.ve been anything? i also had a ford F350 pickup that said the same??? except for basics tax class, colour,eng & chassis numbers all the other catagories where blank? |
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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I've had a log book or two like that, usually for imports or cars which were re-registered after computerisation of the register or something like that in its history. At one point such log books were quite sought after by specials and hotrod builders I dunno if thats the case still or if it were just one of those things people thought could get them through a loophole at the time.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Those logbooks only contain an extract from the DVLA records ie what is on them is NOT what DVLA know !
Send off a form V888 and £5 to DVLA and you will get back the publicly available records they hold right the way back to the document of first registration.
I'm presuming VOSA seperate database holds the full records are as these appear to be occupying a lot of VOSAs time currently .
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One step at a time jubfab. I would put it back on the road first as is. MOT, the lot. Then do the changes, and send off the V5, if you must. Then wait for the sh1te to hit the fan. Don't give the DVLA too much at once to take in. Totally agree and take pictures before the Mot and after that way you can say a qualified MOT inspector has been over the car and he was satisfied. You only have to look at the number of VW's that have become tax exempt because the log books only say it's a VW twin axle rigid body or what ever it is. Knew some one years ago who used a type 3 log to get a decent plate on a camper My only hurdle now is this report to the DVLC by someone who was obviously not a qualified engineer. Anybody who knows this car will know it has been done proporly despite the paint finish. Anybody who has completed fabrication will know it's not a case of just welding the doors up and filling in the windows and hoping for the best. I finding the hole thing a bit of an anti climax, I want a proper engineer who would have looked at the car and said thats good no problem and not some old girl say "i'll send my report and they will get back to you" |
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I don't think they care much about the quality of the work, its about conformity with their rules. Thats the problem. Thats why they don't need an engineer to examine it. Just someone who can tick off against the rules.
If this were all about quality of work I'd have a lot less bother with the whole concept.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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I'm afraid HOW well it's done isn't the issue they have rather WHAT you have done so well . In actual fact had you 'gripfill'd the doors shut and self tappered a panel over the windows you'd be in a far better position re the reg doc , stupid but true .Stick a 5 litre V8 engine in a Pop with rod brakes and they are quite happy to let you keep the lethal deathtrap on the road .
DVLA do not have an technically qualified people ,unlike VOSA , another bone of contention
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I don't think they care much about the quality of the work, its about conformity with their rules. Thats the problem. Thats why they don't need an engineer to examine it. Just someone who can tick off against the rules. If this were all about quality of work I'd have a lot less bother with the whole concept. And thats exactly how I feel at the moment. You only have to have a look on ukpassats to see what's done to this car to get it so far and it was used as a daily parked in the street, never garage because I didn't have one until about a month ago. Anyway I'm remaining positive everything will be ok and it's just another time wasting exercise. Incidentally when they sent me the tax reminder I did it for a year in case I got any curse word and they happily took my money, only thing I didn't have a garage or the Merc to do my running about then:  |
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LOL 
? i was only the 2nd owner.
