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Oct 20, 2009 11:43:04 GMT
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Up at 06;30 to get ready to drive to the VOSA testing station in Norwich as it can take anywhere between 45 mins to 1.30hrs depending on traffic. Arrived at the station to be told by the happy looking staff who would rather talk amonst themselves and ignore potential customers waiting at the desk that as i was sent here by the DVLC I need to see the lady near the ramp, who promptly made me put on a yellow jacket as I was on TOSA property. The lady walks to the back of my car and points to the hatch and says " dose this open as it states on here you have welded the back doors up and filled the glass in" Took that as a compliment and explained to her it was a 4 door silver estate car. She then asks me for the chassis number and that it should be in the screen. After explaining to her it was on the bulk head she gets her little book out and tell me its on the inner wing which we all know it is not. Anyway after writing the chassis number down she tells me she will submit a report to the DVLC and they will get in touch with me (another 6 months down the line I reckons) After this she tells me to be on my way. So basically an identity check which could have been done at any MOT testing station and thats it.
Oh well it's done now, was hoping for a bit of paper to say so if i do get pulled, also handy for insurance purposes. Passats now in my garage Ive removed the nose cone, come home for lunch and then going for a swim. On my return I shall drain the rad as it will have cooled off enough, then remove it ready to fit another one. I have a 2nd hand rad in my shed which looks ok but I'm half tempted to price up a new one and be done with it.
On another note I'm so glad I did not get another Passat as a daily because I had so much fun driving mine today it's everything the Merc is not, best of both worlds. Saying that I am toying with lowering the Merc and colour coding it's new wheels when I get some the same colour as the interia
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Oct 20, 2009 12:00:56 GMT
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So what test was this? Some kind of VIC check?
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Oct 20, 2009 12:02:22 GMT
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nothing is a total waste of time if it gets the man off your back
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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miaspa
Part of things
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Oct 20, 2009 12:17:02 GMT
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If its any consulatiuon saw the Passet coming into Carlton Coville last Thursday afternnoon, stance was spot on.
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Found my flashing Pao again.
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bortaf
Posted a lot
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Oct 20, 2009 13:14:19 GMT
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I'm confused ? that's every VIC check i've ever been for, what's the problem? They are easy and quick and save a shedload of hassle, the apointment sheet you had will be the paperwork you need should you get pulled and asked why the car isn't in your name, I take it you have insurance on the car?
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Last Edit: Oct 20, 2009 13:14:34 GMT by bortaf
R.I.P photobucket
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Oct 20, 2009 13:54:13 GMT
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That's great news - if a little frustrating from your point of view.
They really should have told you that it was just a VIC that you needed though. From what you said before I was expecting you to have to needed something more indepth and answer questions about how and why you welded up the rears!
Joe
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Oct 20, 2009 14:07:22 GMT
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So was this just a VIC check so the body type could be changed from estate to van?
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Oct 20, 2009 18:02:18 GMT
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So was this just a VIC check so the body type could be changed from estate to van? Basically yes. sent the log book away about 6 months ago because it claims on the log book to be a silver 5 door estate car which it was when i bought it. The doors have been welded up over a year now and this year with the help of a good friend we fitted panel i had made up to replace the windows. Surprised I have not been pulled because of this I thought I would send the log book of to get it changed. DVLC then said i had to have the car checked at a VOSA station and mucked me about for roughly 6 months and with held my log book, they still have it now. As said this is not a waste of time as it will keep the opposition of my back but this could have been completed by any local MOT testing station. I also believe its good they are checking suspect cars but the person who checked mine did not seem to have a clue what to look for or where Yes the car is taxed, despite withholding my log book they sent me a reminder when the old tax ran out and every other mod on the car is declared, log book and insurance wise.
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Oct 20, 2009 22:04:41 GMT
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If the person looking at your car didn't have a clue be grateful as you will get to retain your V5c .If they did have a clue expect to be sent for BIVA . Then expect it to have to scrap it as there is no class for it in BIVA as the mods ( making it a van ) move it from M1 Modified production car into N1 SVA Light Goods and there is no class for a modified production class within that section.
Just had this discussion with VOSA re a Astra converted to a pick up , and also a 100E saloon converted to a pick up.
Getting sent the tax reminder means nothing ,somebody simply forget to tick box A when they withdrew your logbook . A friend had a reminder issued on a replacement number that he hadn't been issued with ( because the car hadn't passed BIVA) . The local Post Office who REALLY didn't have a clue issued him a tax disc on it as well yet he still didn't have a V5C for it.
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Last Edit: Oct 20, 2009 22:09:46 GMT by kapri
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Oct 20, 2009 22:22:36 GMT
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The tax reminder looks like a classic example of the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. In the short term at least you are taxed and on the road, though long term I have no idea what will happen, will you ever want to sell?
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Far as I know, this was a points scheme inspection as opposed to a vic check, triggered by the change of bodystyle. The inspection that follows this form: Sounds pretty standard to me, I'd be surprised if the result comes back as "go straight to BIVA, do not pass GO!, do not collect v5c" as the monocoque is unaltered, and the original engine and all running gear is original (except, from the look of the sig pic, part of the springs are missing ;D ) I can see why the pick-up chops get refused, but this is no different to a window cleaner using an estate with vinyl signwriting over the back doors and windows and the back seat permamantly down. Good luck waiting for the result, My logbook only took a fortnight to turn up after my last inspection.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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I'd be at a push to define "unaltered monocoque" though as there was some hoo-hah a while back about you not being "allowed" to fit tow bars to the Mondeo ST as that specific model had not got type approval for a tow bar (although every other Mondeo model had) and as such fitting a tow bar to a Mondeo ST was a modification to the monocoque and as such invalidated the car's type approval!
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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ACE are currently clarifying EXACTLY what is a modified monococque with DVLA at the moment . Hopefully we will then be all able to move forward with proper rules that can adhered to ,or ignored, as the individual choses. Original unmodified monococque ,take it to anal level and would the Carlton comply ? It depends why they are concerned about original monococque ? In the case of the Saunders Bentley it was safety issues over the structure being changed from its Type Approval status. This obviously affects the way the car behaves in an accident. We've had 2 others recently ,early Mini converted to a 4 door ...accepted, Minivan chopped...BIVA. Hence why exactly what is happening needs clarifying. Unfortunately SOC , all either of us have on this is our opinions without a clear definition from DVLA We also heard of case where a car was sent for BIVA because the local DVLA inspector didn't like it .It conformed with their points system and was thrown back to them by VOSA . If you've got to follow rules then both us and THEM need to know what they are . The BUI form is used by DVLA , not VOSA , but often at VOSA premises due to H&S implications if performed at DVLA local Offices. It's used in the case of Radically Altered Vehicles, Kit Cars and Kit Conversions.
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Last Edit: Oct 21, 2009 7:43:14 GMT by kapri
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Am I right in thinking changes to chassis cab commercial vehicle body types will not attract this attention? I only mention it cos I am about to do a horse box to luton swap, and never had to change the body type on a V5 before. If it does attract an inspection, I can see why people don't bother to register the change. I take it there was a charge for the 'inspection'?
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Nope, you won't have issues with that as it is a chassis cab .However if it were to change from a general 'van' type body to a pick up /recovery ,or the other way round ,etc then they would need notifying and possible inspection, no charge .
If you rebody a chassis entirely with a different make /style of replacement body , meaning change of description ,on say an unmodified Scimitar chassis then they would inspect and change the V5C description...again no charge. This is totally legal as on a chassissied vehicle the identity lies with the chassis NOT the body.
Maximum fine for not completeing notifiable changes section on your V5C ...£1000 .
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Seriously, they don't make it easy though, or at best they just ignore the changes. I have sent off a V5 more than once for a change, and got exactly the same V5 back! Are all changes to descriptive the sections of the V5 notifiable? I know of at least four people who have changed bodies on a chassis and never bothered with the V5. One was even stopped in a roadside check and nothing was said (well it was commented on, but no action taken). TBH I think that if you have T&T and insurance even VOSA are not interested. I am speaking from experience here, not assumption, and only talking about classic commercials.
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Oct 21, 2009 11:15:18 GMT
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Yup, all changes in the changes section are notifiable / finable , have a look in the little blue book that always comes back with it but no one ever reads. Due to open stupidity on postings on some other forums, we are told that over the next 2 years the details in the V5C will come under closer scrutiny on a regular basis ( but no 'tick if modified 'box ) The rules are DVLA are diverse and difficult to understand ...and not available easily in the normal world . The DVLA is a Civil Service set up that means so many years in one grade required before you can step up to the next. Therefore the knowledge is available in 'layers' depending who you get to talk to. The lowly AA ( letter opener /tea person and general cannon fodder) is the person most people get to talk to. The person who should know are generally EO or HEO ( 2-3 grades higher ) .Is it any wonder that the unknown rules are not enfoced in a uniform manner . The whole system wants an overhaul ,and that is what the Consultation document of 5 years ago was meant to address. Couple that with a DVLA that is shedding jobs in a quest to streamline it's 'self funding' profit levels , to an increased workload that requires the employment of temps is it any wonder that none of it works as it is supposed to ? From personal experiences as well getting an answer that suits you, but isn't the correct one, does not prevent them coming back for a second bite of the cherry later. I've spoken to 15 people in 18 months who have lost their v5cs due to disrepancies in descriptions /modifed outside the points sytem. Half of them WERE actually still legal and we fought to retain their right to be on the road ,at least for those who could be bothered. I repeat we ( www.the-ace.org.uk ) are not trying to tell anyone how to build their cars but informing of the regs ( and proposed regs ) so an informed choice can be made ...and the consequences of those choices have to be accepted. After all the DVLA regs have barely changed in 25 years .All that has changed is their ability ,and willingness ,to trace and deal with 'problems'.
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Last Edit: Oct 21, 2009 11:26:13 GMT by kapri
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Oct 21, 2009 11:43:24 GMT
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ACE are currently clarifying EXACTLY what is a modified monococque with DVLA at the moment . Hopefully we will then be all able to move forward with proper rules that can adhered to ,or ignored, as the individual choses. Original unmodified monococque ,take it to anal level and would the Carlton comply ? It depends why they are concerned about original monococque ? In the case of the Saunders Bentley it was safety issues over the structure being changed from its Type Approval status. This obviously affects the way the car behaves in an accident. We've had 2 others recently ,early Mini converted to a 4 door ...accepted, Minivan chopped...BIVA. Hence why exactly what is happening needs clarifying. Unfortunately SOC , all either of us have on this is our opinions without a clear definition from DVLA We also heard of case where a car was sent for BIVA because the local DVLA inspector didn't like it .It conformed with their points system and was thrown back to them by VOSA . If you've got to follow rules then both us and THEM need to know what they are . The BUI form is used by DVLA , not VOSA , but often at VOSA premises due to H&S implications if performed at DVLA local Offices. It's used in the case of Radically Altered Vehicles, Kit Cars and Kit Conversions. Yup, definitions again.. firstly, I agree with you But I have some details to clarify this case a bit. I had some PM's with the OP before this inspection, BUI form is what he got, it was a DVLA inspection carried out at VOSA not a VIC. His v5c wasn't confiscated, it was sent in to VCS swansea with the change of bodystyle notification. Hopefully, he will get one back soon. As to the monocoque question, I can't see how disabling the back doors and boarding the windows alters the monocoque. I have my fingers crossed for him though, like you say it can be a minefield. PS.. Carlton? It's a Passat....
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Oct 21, 2009 13:06:47 GMT
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Seriously there is a huge difference between what's official and the real world. In my world (classic commercials) I know plenty of people who have discrepancies on their V5 to actual vehicle. For various reasons they don't or can't change them, and suffer no trouble from the authorities such as VOSA. The vehicles are
Taxed Tested Insured With a registered keeper Basic description (make, model, colour) matches the vehicle on the road
They are not doing the public at large any harm, and not even avoiding anything like having insurance. Not hardly mass murder is it? I am talking vehicles out on the roads regularly, also going to shows too, and also being stopped by VOSA with no action taken. The £1000 fine might well be a maximum possibility, but I am yet to meet anybody that has had it levied on them. I can't help suspecting that owners that have the problems have them because of what they tell the DVLA, not from being hunted down by the men from VOSA......
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Oct 21, 2009 13:14:12 GMT
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Ha, try dealing with bikes... Apply the points scheme rigarously, and every single classic bike rebuild project should be a q plate. I once bought a '69 Honda 450 Black bomber that was Q plated and 1986 dated because the owner told dvla he used the frame from one bike but the engine, wheels and forks from another (identical) bike. If he had only notified the engine change and not mentioned the rest, no-one would be any the wiser and his bike would have been worth twice as much.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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