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Aug 18, 2009 20:44:47 GMT
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This would fit in this section, I assume? Some of you may have read my woes with this digger - basically, the diesel injection pump is gassed, the local place wants 3k to rebuild it, and second hand, they are rarer than teenage virgins on a council estate, and the chap in UK hasnt got back to me yet, so a complete engine swap is on the cards as I need it up and running asap to earn some dollar. Its a Neuson 5001 RD, approximately 1988 vintage... It has a Yanmar 3 cylinder, turbocharged unit, which give 60bhp... In the bottom left of this pic, you can just see a red lump - this is the hydraulic pump. Digger engines have no gearbox etc, the pump is driven directly from the engine flywheel, and all movements of the digger, arm, tracks etc are run by hydraulic motors or pistons. So, with an engine swap looking likely, I picked this up from a chap I know... an early vauxhall nova TD, (called an Opel Corsa here!) which his son rolled. Its been sat for a while, but seemingly the engine is sound, and before the prang, had new turbo, new belts and a good service. There was nothing delicate about the removal - lifted the front up with the tractor, used the big grinder to cut through driveshafts, exhaust, tie rods etc, then dumped the engine out the bottom, lifting the empty shell over the top. I then took off the hydraulic pump from the yanmar unit, to see how it was connected. Surprisingly, its driven by this cross-shaped pinion... (drive disc removed from flywheel in this pic) which slots into a plastic disc that was bolted to he flywheel, which you can see to the left here.... I assume this is a safety feature - if the pump were to lock up or seize for some reason, this disc would break, preventing damage to the engine. I'm quite happy though, as it should be easy-ish to adapt to the corsa engine, and the nature of the coupling will take up any imperfections in my machining. off with the corsa clutch assembly... A good bit of 4mm plate was rummaged out of the scrap pile to make an adaptor plate. Here, I am tracing the mounting holes from the clutch, so it will bolt to the flywheel.... Lacking a lathe, all work was measured very carefully indeed and the cutting and grinding was done very slowly on the bench grinder. Holes were drilled with the neighbours pillar drill. and voila - the adaptor plate bolts to the corsa flywheel using the clutch mounting holes, and the plastic drive disc bolts to the adaptor... Turning the engine over, There is no measureable run-out so its well centred. and all the holes are equally spaced around the circumference, so balance shouldnt be a problem either. tomorrow - engine mounts.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Aug 18, 2009 21:28:36 GMT
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Ive heard of deisel pumps being expensive. I guess theres some precision engineering in them to with stand the pressures. Everythings run of Hydraulics. Wonder if Citreon made a DS digger. Heres the Bob cat digger my sisters man used on my garden. Its parked in my garage. He borrowed it from a freind. Theyve sold it on now. Was a tiny machine.
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Last Edit: Aug 18, 2009 21:30:02 GMT by alecw35
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conrad
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Aug 18, 2009 22:58:30 GMT
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thats hardcore man! and that digger does not look like an 88, the last one i operated was a 2001 and looked about 30 years older than that
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Aug 19, 2009 16:17:35 GMT
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Got the mounting frames done today. These pick up existing bolt-holes on the block,nd will carry the pump aswell. THe whole lot will then be lowered into place and mounted on the diggers existing rubber engine mounts. I deliberately left this last plate much bigger than needed, as I will need to fabricate an alternator mount there too. I'm missing the Corsa one, so will mount the Yanmar alt in its place with a custom bracket. I don't have photos of the rail on the other side, but its just pretty much the same as this one. Tomorrow - pump mountings. Might be tricky.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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conrad
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Aug 19, 2009 18:25:24 GMT
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how you reckon the corsa motor will do compared to the original one?
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Aug 19, 2009 18:57:34 GMT
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BHP is similar, I have no idea about torque values, but the corsa has 4 cylinders compared to the Yanmars 3, so its likely to produce more torque. There are bypass valves in the main control valve assembly, which limit the amount of pressure to the hydraulic motors and pistons, so having too much power from the engine wont do any harm, as the overall system pressure will remain within the same range. Power delivery through the rev range is likely to be different, but again, this isnt too important, as you don't accelerate the engine much in a digger, you run the motor at whatever constant speed gives the required power and system pressure, so it will just be a case of running the corsa engine at whatever rpm`s its happiest sitting at where it gives decent power.
My only real worry just now is cooling. The yanmar engine has a fixed fan on the top pulley, and there is no scope to do this reasonably on the corsa engine, so I will have to fit an electric fan to the rad. With the original engine, it got seriously hot in the engine compartment, so I reckon I will cut some cooling slots in the engine cover to increase airflow.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Aug 19, 2009 19:26:29 GMT
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Good work.
As a comedy aside, a HUGE diesel engine out of a car (like a big V6 unit from a merc) geared right would be hilarous. If the pump and stuff would take it, it would be like the thing is on speed lol.
Lewis
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Last Edit: Aug 19, 2009 19:27:04 GMT by lewist123
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olduns
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Aug 19, 2009 22:00:26 GMT
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this wouldn't be the same one as on completefrance by any chance? been following this for a few weeks, it's bad enough finding car parts let alone 'fabing' something, just don't get drawn into the 'le Barry' way of things.....expanding foam styling etc
good luck
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Aug 20, 2009 17:17:35 GMT
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Yeah, thats me on the france forum too. Not much done today - tidied up the other engine mounting rail.... I m not happy with the pump coupling though. Its unlikely that I will get the pump mounted EXACTLY in line, so there will likely be a couple mm of play somewhere. Looking at the plastic disc - at best it will wear very quickly, at worst it will shatter, and I don't want that happening at 4k rpm. I spet today looking around for some kind of rubber coupling to act as a driveshaft but that can take a few mm of play and damp out vibrations. A rotoflex kind of thing will probably do the job.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Aug 20, 2009 19:32:38 GMT
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Can you use a UJ or something like that to help remove some of the slop.
Lewis
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Mark
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Aug 20, 2009 20:06:14 GMT
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Cool project - very different. Stupid question though - You couldn't just mod a different diesel injection pump to work?!
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Last Edit: Aug 20, 2009 20:06:45 GMT by Mark
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Aug 21, 2009 20:02:18 GMT
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Its a mechanical injection system, which is precision machined and gear driven, so no way to mod anything else to fit.
Today I picked up a rotoflex coupling, which I will use in place of the plastic dish. Just need to figure a way to mount it on the pump spindle.
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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lae
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Aug 22, 2009 14:08:47 GMT
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Proper backyard engineering! Are you one of those people that can just make anything out of anything?
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Aug 22, 2009 17:09:57 GMT
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As long as its very slightly dangerous, and aesthetics arent an issue, then yes, I can build/fix pretty much anything. I`d have been great on Scrapheap Challenge
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1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Aug 22, 2009 19:29:46 GMT
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Great work wish i lived near you i would pay you to fit a nice diesel in my ford f350 fire engine.Well done.
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Peace,Max signature height = 80px
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Aug 26, 2009 17:52:00 GMT
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Good progress Dave.
Wish sometimes I had you guys' skills.
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Aug 27, 2009 13:24:37 GMT
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I have binned the plastic drive disc - it was just too likely to all go horribly wrong. Although there was a slight margin for error with it, if my machining turns out to be too innacurate, it would be likely to shatter the disc. So, I removed the cross-shaped pinion from the pump, and made this to go in its place.... I then re-modelled the flywheel adaptor plate slightly, and drilled 3 holes in it centrally. This allows me to bolt on this rotoflex style drive coupling.... The smaller disc bolts into the 3 spare holes you can see, so the rubber coupling will act as a driveshaft, damp out vibations and be flexible enough to absorb any imperfections and misalignment. Happy enough with that, I cracked on with the pump mounting, which I made from an old bit of steel channel, cut a big hole in the middle for the pump neck, 2 smaller holes for the pump to bolt to, and reinforced it with some angle iron and bits of flat steel. I will drill holes in it so it will bolt into place, rather than welding, so it can be dismantled more easilly, and I can adjust the alignment slightly if needed by elongating the holes.
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Last Edit: Aug 27, 2009 13:27:38 GMT by dave21478
1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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Aug 27, 2009 14:21:10 GMT
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Good work mate I realise how tricky this kind of work really is - It looks so simple in pictures.
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DutyFreeSaviour
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Top stuff Dave - lateral thinking to the nth degree. Hope it all works out OK. Looking forward to seeing this bad boy in action..... when can we all have a go - I personally feel it's a skill that all men should try at least once
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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Aug 28, 2009 18:25:35 GMT
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Thanks for the comments, Today I hoiked out the Yanmar lump and dropped the Corsa engine in. It fits very well and is actually a more compact unit then the Yanmar. Its just sitting on bits of wood just now, but tomorrow I reckon I will get the mounting plates made that will bolt to the big rails and sit on the standard rubber mounts on the digger chassis. Once thats done, I just need to build an exhaust system, sort out the plumbing, fit an electric rad fan, then do the wiring. Does anyone know what the two wires from the top right in this pic are for? They come out of the injection pump and end in that 2-pin plug. Its not the stop solenoid, thats the wire dangling down from the centre of the pic.
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Last Edit: Aug 28, 2009 18:27:37 GMT by dave21478
1986 Panda 4x4. 1990 Metro Sport. 1999 Ford Escort estate.
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