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Aug 13, 2009 16:12:59 GMT
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I'm allready a member of the hundred thousand society with my mk1 polo for those of you that don't know the guidlines for the club are a under 1000cc car that capable or 100miles per hour.. its in the process so not currently an active race series... ive just been on the main site www.classicandracing.co.uk/hundredthousand/memberlist.htmland as youll notice I'm the only person there with a vw which I'm quite proud of.. but i don't think id be comptetive against what seems to be the usual davrians , imps, and a series stuff, which are proven and pretty easy to make quick compared to an 895cc vw engine which arnt... I'm thinkin of removing myself from the club... but realy am in two minds... what does anyone else think??? soz for asking such a wierd question but i realy aint sure ill be able to do it.
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Aug 13, 2009 16:26:12 GMT
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I know nothing about this club but have you met any of them or had any feedback from members? If they are positive and encouraging then that's a good sign to give it a go.
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1976 Suzuki GT550 Celica RA28...Gone
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Aug 13, 2009 16:46:28 GMT
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will a mk1 Polo do a genuine 100mph?
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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dungbug
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Aug 13, 2009 17:07:17 GMT
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Your call bud, if it's not going to do anything for ya mojo then drop the idea. Or give it a try & maybe put a few noses out of joint with the plucky little Dub. ;D
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Past: 13 VW Beetles from 1967 - 1974 Bay Window Campers (1973 & 1974) Mini's (1992 Cooper lookalike & 1984 '25 Anniversary) MK2 Polo Coupe S (1984 & 1986) MK2 Polo Breadvan (1981 & 1984) MK4 Escort (1989) MK2 Granada Based Hearse (seriously) Fiat Uno 60S (1986) Punto 60S (1998) Cinq (1997) 1998 Yamaha YZF600R Thundercat 2003 Ford KA
Current: 2004 Ford Focus (barely alive)
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Aug 13, 2009 17:20:51 GMT
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will a mk1 Polo do a genuine 100mph? not stock... (that i know of). but i think the E gear out of a 4+ e box and some tuning may help.... but then again thats an untested idea... id love to be the first to do it (although i doubt i am) and i have a 1300 and 5 speed to go in it for the time being which would give me the chance to build a 'hot' 895 for it.... i havnt had any feedback about it appart from the main guy saying congrats on being the first dub which i am proud of. although i havnt posted on the forum yet or had any updates on the build appart from the lil spate of welding i documented a month or so ago in the readers rides thread...... need a mojo boost to make me get it done , but its hard seing an upside to the hundredthousand when I'm gonna be back of the pack all the time..... unless anyones got some tips on an engine build
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Davenger
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Aug 13, 2009 18:00:18 GMT
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My gf's old mini 1000 would do roughly a ton. Speedo went up to 90 and I had it way off the clock. Not that I would condone breaking the speed limit in any way ;D
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Aug 13, 2009 19:07:29 GMT
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What your speedo says and what your actual speed is are two different things.
With the Polo engine i guess you can either increase the revs to gain the extra speed (usually expensive) get more mixture in with a 'charger or increase the engines efficiency with fine tuning, by port matching, balancing, work on the valves etc etc.
might give you an idea of what you need to acahive if you find out which of the polo's COULD hit 100mph and then see how much power they had to achieve it.
personally i wouldnt bother about being in a club like that unless i either had a car that qualified or was building on that would.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Aug 13, 2009 19:28:03 GMT
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What your speedo says and what your actual speed is are two different things. With the Polo engine I guess you can either increase the revs to gain the extra speed (usually expensive) get more mixture in with a 'charger or increase the engines efficiency with fine tuning, by port matching, balancing, work on the valves etc etc. might give you an idea of what you need to acahive if you find out which of the polo's COULD hit 100mph and then see how much power they had to achieve it. personally I wouldnt bother about being in a club like that unless I either had a car that qualified or was building on that would. my polo 1043 cc bready (5 speed) will do a ton... and my old 1.0 saloon (4 speed) would.. pretty much any polo will.. the only reason I say the mk1 wont is because I havnt done it the 1043cc lump was introduced in the mk2 range to make em a lil more peppy. is just a bored out 895 lump. which even in 1043 capacity is just pushing 45bhp. (when new) That said I think with this *balance *porting *compression lift *decent exhaust system *decent ignition *electric fuel pump *maybe the carb from a 1.0 polo (i have a weber thats nearly new) I could see ton pretty easy from it.... its having mk2 brakes which arnt vw2's but are better than the winged mk 1/early mk2 calipers so at least it will stop its having buckets, no rear seat. pretty basic realy and allready has a phil j 60/40 adjustible shock and spring kit on it.... so should handle and stop fine... I'm not sure on the cost with engine machining tho...... and what sorta camshaft I should be looking at.... i also might look into boring it out to say 950 but that obviously depends on the meat inside there... but if vw's claims of using the mk1 engine bored out in the mk2 to 1043 is correct and not utter bullsh*t then i don't see why 950 isnt do able... also gonna have to look at sourcing some pistons for that
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2009 19:30:52 GMT by retrowagen1234
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Aug 13, 2009 21:56:50 GMT
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Don't forget weight reduction too.
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1976 Suzuki GT550 Celica RA28...Gone
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Aug 13, 2009 23:39:19 GMT
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if your talking car.....don't worry bout that its light as fook now on the engine side of things... gotta be possible to match the weights of the rods... and lighten and balance the bottom end... maybe even balance the pressure plate..
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2009 23:40:26 GMT by retrowagen1234
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don't forget to lie the rear seats down flat for extra weight reduction ;D ;D ;D
IMO a 1000cc polo will struggle to do 100, without some expensive mods. and even if it manages 100 mph, how long could it hold it for without doing damage?
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Someone just shot the elephant in the room.
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At a guess i'd say you'll probably need around 100bhp for a genuine repeatable 100mph in most conditions if the car is geared right, you should be able to work out what revs it will be pulling on the stock box at 100mph, you may not need to raise the gearing, just increase the power so the car will pull further up the rev range in top.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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don't forget to lie the rear seats down flat for extra weight reduction ;D ;D ;D IMO a 1000cc polo will struggle to do 100, without some expensive mods. and even if it manages 100 mph, how long could it hold it for without doing damage? haha rear seats, carpets, seatbelts, headlining, pretty much everything allready gone lol.. ive done a ton easy in my 1.0 daily polo... (no i didnt ossifer ) and it will keep going... theres still loads left.. and as the soon to be started readers rides thread on it will show its got a rev counter out of a ranger so i can tell its still got loads left lol
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At a guess i'd say you'll probably need around 100bhp for a genuine repeatable 100mph in most conditions if the car is geared right, you should be able to work out what revs it will be pulling on the stock box at 100mph, you may not need to raise the gearing, just increase the power so the car will pull further up the rev range in top. 45 bhp in the mk2.... I'm guessing a decent balancing. porting and better breathing would see me to a hundred just... then it would get a bit interesting tuning wise to keep it there or make it achievable in less than 3 minuites lol
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I had 100mph out of my 1043cc polo once, but it wasnt easy and it certainly wasnt easily repeatable. The reasonable top speed was about 85. The AX had 80ish bhp and that had a reasonable top speed of just over 100mph.
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1997 TVR Chimaera 2009 Westfield Megabusa
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all this talk of "ive done a ton" is that on the speedo or sat nav /proper measuring gear
you'l find a inducated 100mph is more like a genuine 85mph...thats if it still has the right tyres on it
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91 golf g60, 89 golf 16v , 88 polo breadvan
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I had 100mph out of my 1043cc polo once, but it wasnt easy and it certainly wasnt easily repeatable. The reasonable top speed was about 85. The AX had 80ish bhp and that had a reasonable top speed of just over 100mph. wasnt yours a 4 speed? my old 4 speed topped out at 110.... back in my thrashing cars youth days lol to say it topped out is wrong tho.. it just went flat and sat at 110 lol sorta like a bug... full speed is cruising speed idea haha.... my mk2 now ill do easy more than a ton.. its been looked after alot all its life and hardly used so its pretty fresh still..... might help i suppose.. but it will do 100 easy and on a nice flat piece will go over that if i wanted it to... you can put ur foot down and feel it has more left... not to mention the rev counter sittin only about half way
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all this talk of "ive done a ton" is that on the speedo or sat nav /proper measuring gear you'l find a inducated 100mph is more like a genuine 85mph...thats if it still has the right tyres on it yep sat nav .. curse word old tomtom thing my mum has my navman only tells me when i go over a speed set by me. and yes still has 145's on totally standard appart from a 1300 downpipe as its the only one I had and 100 isnt a true 85 unless your speed is way out... you saying then that while I'm sittin at 70 going somehwere that everyone around me whos speedos say the same are only doing 60ish too... ? I know speedos are sometimes out... sticky cables do that or worn mechs but the polos fine
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2009 9:53:00 GMT by retrowagen1234
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Aug 14, 2009 10:43:31 GMT
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I had 100mph out of my 1043cc polo once, but it wasnt easy and it certainly wasnt easily repeatable. The reasonable top speed was about 85. The AX had 80ish bhp and that had a reasonable top speed of just over 100mph. wasnt yours a 4 speed? my old 4 speed topped out at 110.... back in my thrashing cars youth days lol to say it topped out is wrong tho.. it just went flat and sat at 110 lol sorta like a bug... full speed is cruising speed idea haha.... Mine was a 5spd but not a 4+E. That was 100mph on the satnav, running slightly oversize tyres (175/65 13s) it was pretty much right on the speedo. It wasnt bumping off the limiter, it just didnt have the power to go any faster! 85 was the realistic top speed though, if I put my foot flat to the floor on an ordinary road that's the point where acceleration became negligable.
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1997 TVR Chimaera 2009 Westfield Megabusa
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bazzateer
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Aug 14, 2009 10:56:25 GMT
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IMO a 1000cc polo will struggle to do 100, without some expensive mods. and even if it manages 100 mph, how long could it hold it for without doing damage? AFAIK it's not about maintaining 100mph for a long time, it's about being capable of reaching that speed. On most circuits you'd run out of road before your engine expired due to high speed running.
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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