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Feb 20, 2011 12:16:13 GMT
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I think the arches on this car are spot on: Personally I dislike the sort of arches that are on the Quattro. I know they're more or less totally functional things, but I think it's far too easy to make it look like it's made of cardboard boxes and gaffer tape and just stuck on.
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MrSpeedy
East Midlands
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Feb 21, 2011 15:07:34 GMT
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Hmmmmm....... Got me new arches mocked up on the side, and I'm not convinced. Before; After; I think there are two main reasons why it's not working for me atm 1, They're too wide. There's too much overhang of the arch beyond where the wheel finishes 2, There is a conflict of lines between the original swage line around the arch and the more circular line of the new arch. I think these can be over come by a, sectioning the arch so it's narrower and b, reshaping the swage line to mimick the new arch. Question is, would I be better forgetting these and trying something new (like that racer above but that's a LOT of work) or persevering with what I've currently got ? Any opinions welcome !
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Dez
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Feb 21, 2011 15:17:33 GMT
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imho they don't work. too many conflicting lines going on. i recon you need some of these- no harder to fit then the ones youve already got really as they rivet/bolt on, and are a much better suited shape, like on the racer at the top. theyd hide the majority of the pre-existing swagelines too so would make it all look less cluttered.
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Feb 21, 2011 16:05:26 GMT
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Narrower, lower profile tyres and a heap of negative camber might solve the problem! Might a set of MA61 Supra arches be a possibility with the squarer arch?
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MrSpeedy
East Midlands
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Feb 21, 2011 16:56:55 GMT
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Good call on the Supra arches. Tricky/expensive to find I'm guessing tho ? Had another little play, re-positioning these arches I got and I think it's looking better. # Fronts are still massively too wide, but thet can be cut down to suit. I think the problem before is that I was trying to artificially lower the car by reducing the arch/tyre interface to a minimum ?
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Feb 21, 2011 17:11:01 GMT
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I think the arches look okay, but they need cutting back a lot, and try to use some negative camber as well then have the arches as small/subtle as you can get away with. I still think negative camber and slightly rolled arches is going to look best though.
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Feb 21, 2011 17:47:30 GMT
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If I were to do anything with those arches, I'd make the bodyline that marks out the arch as far as needed to clear the tyres. Something like this, but following the existing line so it's not so chunky. Seen it done and it looked bloody awful! What if you did a similar take but not as extreme. You really don't need to build the arches out massively to clear the tyres so you could have it so that the tops of the arches are furthest out, blending back into the normal body width at the lower extremities. I wish I could draw or photoshop what I mean for you, because it would be fairly subtle done that way. It's a shame you can't roll or flare the existing arches a touch to clear everything. Edited to add: The rear bolt ons don't look that bad, but agreed with the fronts needing to be trimmed down. I think what I'm trying to suggest is similar to what you've done there but more restricted by the existing bodylines.
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Last Edit: Feb 21, 2011 17:48:43 GMT by Deleted
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Seth
South East
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Feb 21, 2011 19:21:52 GMT
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Looks pretty good in your second trial fit. They need to completely cover the original swage lines I think. Would it be possible to rotate the front ones so that they reach the sill at the back edge and start at the base of the wing instead of overlapping the valance at the front?
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Em
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Feb 21, 2011 19:38:50 GMT
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Hmm, tricky shape to add arches to! This fellow has gone for the flared look... I've seen bubble arches on 105e Anglias that work really well despite their swage lines and angilar styling so it should be possible!
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stealthstylz
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Feb 21, 2011 19:45:22 GMT
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Looking at this shot You're gonna need to make the wheels even wider to fill them. I think the problem you've got is that the wheels are only just too wide for standard arches and so are not wide enough for bolt ons. Matt
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Feb 21, 2011 19:55:50 GMT
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Hmm, I think more subtle, smaller arches would look better. Very tricky balancing act I think!
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Feb 21, 2011 20:17:51 GMT
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Koos
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stealthstylz
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Feb 21, 2011 20:41:02 GMT
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There's nothing to roll on a Herald not an easy shape to work with either.
Matt
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Feb 21, 2011 22:10:36 GMT
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But they roll the arch to create a simple flare..
Not expensive either.
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Koos
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luckygti
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Feb 21, 2011 23:28:09 GMT
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Mmmm, I'm not feeling them The second fitting does look better, but I agree with Stealthstylz on this one, the wheels need to be wider to make the arches fit!!) I'm going out on a limb here, slightly narrower wheels, right up to the edge of the current arches and go with that! Sorry Or try the arches I have on my 205, which are slightly more square!
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MrSpeedy
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Feb 22, 2011 15:19:10 GMT
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Yeah, I see what you're getting at, but if you look closely at the Vitesse rear arch, the wheel actually sits inside the arch, so a simple flare would not provide clearance, it would need to be 'boxed' for approx 2 inches. When my suspension compresses the rear wheels will tuck up inside the arch. Soooo, I will need to be removing the bottom 2 inches of tin from my rear arches to provide clearance for the tyres when the suspension moves. Hence the arches. Well, I've done what any sensible car modifier would do, and took an angle grinder to my nice shiny new arches Sectioned about an inch out the rears, and nearly 2 inch out the fronts. They need a little more trimming before I 'glass 'em up, but I think I may be onto a winner ?? Any comments ?
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Feb 22, 2011 15:27:55 GMT
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Much better.
If you can get them to fit so they look original, not add on you'll be in business
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Koos
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stealthstylz
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Feb 22, 2011 15:30:31 GMT
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That looks a bazillion times better. Maybe try some spacers on the rear to get the tyre level with the arch lip.
Matt
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Feb 22, 2011 16:14:20 GMT
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Winner. Much more subtle, but effective.
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Feb 22, 2011 16:49:11 GMT
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Very nice result mate, look spot on
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