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IVABenzBoy
@benzboy
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Sorry to have gone on a bit here ^^ don't be!! - all that advice is EXCELLENT and really helpful - and it's made me late for work!! -kev Absolutely, I really appreciate you taking the time to clear things up, and all the hard work ACE have done, and continue to do on our behalf. It's good to know that there are organised bodies on our side, fighting our corner!
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I did, in a way, I shifted the whole centre X back a foot!. Just counts same as a repair, apparantly. I'm honestly not sure where all this "swap one xmember need a SVA" talk is coming from. They only seem concerned if your wheelbase changes or suspension/steering mounts are messed with. A little bit of clarification is required here. DVLA and VOSA are 2 different departments with both being responsible to DfT ( Department for Transport. VOSA are NOT interested in any mods to your car until they are pointed out to them by DVLA or found in a roadside safety check. We have no knowledge of a 'modified' box to be ticked at MOT time YET . However we have reports of careless talk on the web leading to DfT and VOSA reviewing MOT inspection procedures but we have no firm outcome . From a DVLA point of view moving a crossmember IS a big deal as is any cutting and shortening though they will accpet removal of body /engine gearbox mounts. Though there are actually criteria laid down for what is or isn't acceptable by Policy Division much is still down to 'custom' at Local Office. Thanks for clarifying.. I did present the car to the local DVLA office who passed a change of body style without comment. I then (mainly for my own piece of mind, but also out of curiosity) asked the VOSA inspector to look it over (in the manner of a compulsory check) and he thinks it's fine too (barring the C&U aspects of my headlight positioning) I would be very interested to see what DVLA's criteria for what constitutes modified actually are, cos thats the one thing I seem unable to find!
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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fogey
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If you pay your £450 for an IVA test and fail, what happens then. Is there a cheaper retest fee as with the MOT if you resubmit the car within a certain time frame? Or do you have to start from scratch and stump up another £450 test fee?
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^ On one of the PDFs linked to earlier in the thread the retest is £90.
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The only criteria you will find is here direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022486What exactly is or isn't allowable re chassis / structural mods varies from office to office ( but shouldn't !) . However we don't want to go rattling cages so play it purely on a case by case basis. Our advice to anyone is use the BIVA spec , which is sound and sensible , as your guidelines in any mods ie if you are fitting new brake lines, wiring ,brakes , glass etc then should you hav eto go for a test you haven't got to redo loads of stuff. Certain items entitle you to a FREE retest within 5 days , after that we were told it's a £40 retest fee and you have up to 6 months to go back ,exactly the same as SVA.
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I posted a link in the last IVA thread we had but I cant find it and i'm not at my home pc to repost it, you can swop an xmember as long as its classed as a repair, but as I said fitting a heavier one to support a winch isnt a repair its a modification, you can plate a chassis as its a repair (does that include boxing a chassis or not?) but you cant rebuild it with obviosly thicker gauge steel as thats modifying it. Boxing chassis' is classed as major structural modification I'm afraid. The LandRover / 4X4 guys have come in for a fair deal of attention from DVLA /VOSA for their chassis mods especially bobtails. We've seen recently that they appear to be being targetted particularly in roadside VOSA checks with prohibitions being issued for body jacks . A lot of this is since the case in Lincolnshire where those young children unfortunately died in a modified Landrover which has brought their scene to the forefront again. We all need to bear that in mind with any mods , we need to play within the rules so that we do not become involved in any draconian kneejerk reactions. It can happen ,look what happened to perfectly law abiding gun owners following the incident in Hungerford. There was also an attempt to outlaw crusing in Ireland in a kneejerk reaction to a few who misbehaved.
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Just a thought, this year ACE are having a physical high profile presence at the major rodding shows. We do intend to broaden that to take in Classic and other enthusiasts shows.
Are you having a show again this year or have we missed it ? Depending on whether it clashes with other events we may be able to attend to answer questions face to face if forum members would like ?
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IVABenzBoy
@benzboy
Club Retro Rides Member 7
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Just a thought, this year ACE are having a physical high profile presence at the major rodding shows. We do intend to broaden that to take in Classic and other enthusiasts shows. Are you having a show again this year or have we missed it ? Depending on whether it clashes with other events we may be able to attend to answer questions face to face if forum members would like ? You'd be very welcome I'm sure. Details of Retro Rides Gathering 09 is here.
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Hmmm, i assume by body jack you mean body lift? thats one of the mods i was planning (along with a suspension lift) and thought it would be a safe one as essentially its just some spacers between the body and chassis and longer bolts, is it falling into IVA territory on account of the mods to made to the controls so they still reach?
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Last Edit: Jun 6, 2009 17:29:53 GMT by kapri
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I see, one of those situations where you decide if its worth the risk yourself then, cheers although it don't really have much handling to destroy its wobbly enough already even with anti roll bars.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Just a thought, this year ACE are having a physical high profile presence at the major rodding shows. We do intend to broaden that to take in Classic and other enthusiasts shows. Are you having a show again this year or have we missed it ? Depending on whether it clashes with other events we may be able to attend to answer questions face to face if forum members would like ? Drop me a mail we'd love to have you at the show gathering@retro-rides.org
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Can I just add that this thread is the thread I've always wanted to have about this. Very pleased that this is how we conduct ourselves now days. Even before aceadvice turned up we were creating a useful factual thread. Then with aceadvice's advice we're on our way to a very useful reference thread. So.. Thank you!
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IVABenzBoy
@benzboy
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Here here, well done us! ;D I'll be referring to the BIVA manual now with anything I do, just to safeguard myself should I go far enough with the car to warrant a test. It's a necessary evil but as aceadvice said, it could have been a whole lot worse for us.
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Does anyone have the full IVA test criteria? Any links to a PDF file with the whole booklet on it?
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Rich G
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I'm glad this thread was posted and matured into what it is now. A very useful thread that has not slipped into the whinge bin territory like so many before it. Here here us and here here to Ace for all the help in making it what it is, may I suggest a sticky or useful threads type move.. that said please let the info continue to flow in the manner it has been.
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Daily: Spazda Mx5
'A52's Fastest steak eater 2010'
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so what happens re existing reg number, tax class etc? ie be given new reg ? age related one?if tax exempt will it lose this as to modified?
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theres more to life than mpg & to much power is just enough.
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so what happens re existing reg number, tax class etc? ie be given new reg ? age related one?if tax exempt will it lose this as to modified? Thats what the points system is for, to determine if it has enough original parts to still be the original car or not and weather it can keep its own ID or needs a new one.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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The ACE team were just commenting that attitudes towards what is happening have changed greatly in the 15 months or so we've had a web presence and most can see the test for what it is . A neccesary 'evil' that allows us the right to continue with what we all do in one form or another. We do need to be vigilant if we are to protect this for future modifiers though.
Right, back to the questions.
When you go though SVA / BIVA your vehicles becomes new ( if it stayed within the points sytem it would retain Historic status ) and so becomes taxable . The rate of tax is based on the details of the engine used and entered on your MAC certificate used to register the vehicle.
The reg number given depends on many factors. A 'kit' car ( that's all parts except one recon ) receives a current new reg . A motor using 2 major components from a donor vehicle, with supporting logbook, will receive an age related to the date of donor. ie MY Pick up used a V plate Cortina as it's donor and that is the plate currently given but NOT the original number from the donor.
One of our concerns with Historic registered cars in this country is that they may become subject to the same sort of restrictions curently in place across Europe (exact details varies from country to country) .Unfortunately the FHBVC have fought their entire arguement on the fact that Classic cars only do 1500 KM ( yes KM) per year and supplied vast amount of facts to back that up so if that figure is enforced we have no arguement left against it.
Likewise the FHVBC have 'cut loose' all those who do higher than that mileage saying they are unable to represent Classics which are used as dailies. This is also why BIVA is important to us so that , if needed ,cars can be put through the test to become taxable and give us a RIGHT to be out there.
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Last Edit: Jun 9, 2009 8:37:32 GMT by kapri
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