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Well, it looks like things between me and Nicola , Ms Grizz also known hence forth as MYRTLE have come to a point where I need to commit a lot more to her. As a sensible guy, I want to first see the potential pitfalls and pleasures of owning a 100e. Practical Classics price guide shows Condition 1 = £1800 Condition 2 = £800 and Condition 3 = £300. Show me pics, and tell me why I should buy her a 1959 100e to use as a daily driver to work etc, the trip is about 5 miles each way. She has a perfectly good daily in the shape of a 55 plate Peugeot 1007 (Slidey doors ) Car we are interested is priced at £950 and looks like Condition 2/1 by the pics on show. Plans would be for a lot of SHOW later, and not too much GO. Go on, hit me..... Have a pic of a similar car , for sale on here. retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=FSW&thread=60209&page=1 |
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Last Edit: May 13, 2009 5:34:52 GMT by Oldbus
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How much is "not too much go" ?  ;D |
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Seth
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Well, being a Ford you'll find plenty of knowledge as to what does and doesn't work  3 Speed 'box will probably take a little getting used to. Engine is probably fine for potttering about but not for sustained long distances. There are late ones (all four doors I think) that have pre-crossflows fitted so probably make better cruisers. |
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable. |
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rot.
watch for rot.
then watch again.
IIRC the late ones with the OHV engine have a recessed bulkhead which makes it easier to get a Pinto/larger engine of your choice in there.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Got this in there.  |
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Rich G
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May 12, 2009 11:14:34 GMT
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On a 5 mile each way commute the little flathead should be fine, especially if the route is fairly flat. The three-speed box will take some getting used to as reverse is where 1st normally is and 1st is where 2nd normally is, 100E 2nd = normal 3rd and 100E 3rd = normal 4th. There's no synchomesh between 1st and 2nd; okay on the up changes but you need to double-declutch if you want to shift down into 1st on the move, on a normal commute that shoudln't be a problem though. The windscreen wipers are vacuum powered so going uphill in heavy rain they'll slow down and if it's a long climb they might even stop. If the little grey cells still work I think Mini wipers were the favourite transplant "back in the day". It was only the 107E Prefects (1959-1962) that came with the 997cc 105E engines and 4-speed boxes. Hence 107E engine and gearbox x-members were the favoured parts you use to swap in a Kent pre-crossflow or crossflow engine. Probably rarer than an MP not scamming their expenses these days. The old way of getting disc brakes into a 100E was to use Consul Capri/Classic front struts and TCAs - but you had to redrill the TCA mounting points inboard a bit to get the geometry right or you ended up with ridiculous negative camber (certainly did if swapped into a 105E, think the 100Es were the same - memory not so good after 25 years!). Milton Race Prep do a kit to transplant Mk1/Mk2 Escy struts and rack-n-pinion steering I believe. Technically could take you into BIVA territory if swapping engines too but one Ford McPherson strut looks pretty much like another Ford McPherson strut. ;D You can fit a Kent engine into the 100E bay without cutting the bulkhead but you'd need to space the engine mounts forward by about 1/2 an inch or so. Alternatively you could just get some Aquaplane tuning bits (lots of repro stuff made now); port and relieve the engine, hotter cam, twin SUs...  If you want to keep the original struts you can swap on 105E drums, if I remember right they were a straight swap for 100E ones, get the front drums off a 123E (1200) Anglia as they were larger than the 997cc powered 105Es. That'll give you the 4 x 108 4-stud pattern - the only thing that will fit on the original stud pattern is old caravan wheels. Swap the back axle for a 105E unit to give 4 x 108 pattern on the back, a much better choice of gear ratios and being narrower you can get wider rims under the back too. You'll have to move the spring mouting plates a bit to make it fit. Had two 100Es and a 107E in the dim and distant past. Still regret selling the 107E, total sleeper that was, 1500GT Cortina powered (big valve head too) but even with a servo on the original drum brakes you still had to think about braking. Best of the 100Es was a '55 Prefect, black, banded steels and a Murray Overdive gearbox - 6 forward and 2 reverse gears, 50mph backwards is fun! ;D |
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May 12, 2009 14:10:19 GMT
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This was my project, '59 Anglia with a rover V8, manual box, 2.8i LSD rear axle narrowed with wide slots, HA Viva front. Never got round to doing it, shame as I was going to use it on the strip.    This is my '60 Anglia, bout with a 1740cc x-flow blew it up in a big way, so went for a 2.0 pinto and 5 speed box. running Mk3 Capri front suspension and a 105E rear.   even tried a 2.8 V6  Side view 14" Citreon wheels.  Got a few more pictures of both cars if interested. The 100E rust at the bottom of the windows and the bottom of the guuter at the back. All in all good little cars with stacks of potential, and yes I would buy another. Cheers, Stu. |
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Always looking for the next project!
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May 12, 2009 17:31:39 GMT
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Well, that one ended up in tears....
The car we were interested in on Ebay, sold for its BIN price of 950.
So will look out for the right car, right price, right place etc.
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May 12, 2009 17:59:19 GMT
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orangecords
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May 12, 2009 22:09:25 GMT
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have a gander at ford100e.comthey're a good bunch and have everything from concourse to daily to mad stuff on there thames300e on here owns it and is a bloody good mate of mine and knows his biscuits about them. joe is admin on there and has a MENTAL rover V8 powered one. should be able to find sommat on there and as an aside i really want a slammed matt black hot pinto or zetec powered stripped out one to upset chavvy saxos ;D |
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I then wanted to start cleaning the interior as it stinks of wood (the material not the smell of a boner) best quote ever! |
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May 12, 2009 22:18:16 GMT
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They don't rust too badly imo. The bottom of the front wings ususally goes but only the outer skin, and the doors go at the bottom too. For a 5 mile commute the sidevalve will be fine. The gearbox is a pain in the  , the gap between 2nd and 3rd is mega which makes roundabouts a curse word. I'd say go for it. Can always upgrade to Escort suspension & axle and a crossflow if its too slow. Matt |
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May 12, 2009 22:21:41 GMT
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Worth pointing out that a sidevalve Ford engine only does 50,000 miles between rebuilds. If thrashed and not looked after then it'll only do 30,000 miles. And rebuilds are expensive - the con rods have cast-in white metal bearings, not shells, so are expensive to sort out.
Johnny 69 was running a sidevalve ford daily - he went through a couple of engines, AFAIK.
EDIT - nice cars, though. Stack-loads of potential.
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Last Edit: May 12, 2009 22:29:31 GMT by jrevillug
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THIS one popped up on ebay tonight that i thought looks nice  Took a bit of a fancy to it myself!. My mate had a restored white one years ago that he used to drive to and from work, Always really like it but didn't think i could handle the lack of power! A funny story one day was that he was getting married and had to go to church for his wedding bands straight from work one day so me and the boss made a big cardboard sign whist he wasn't looking saying 'Jesus is my Saviour' and stuck it to the front of his grill. Problem is on the way to the church someone pulled out in front of him and he hit them!. He said he could of died when he got out and saw the sign on the front of the 100E, Especially as he had just driven through Colchester town centre like it as well!.
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Rich G
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May 12, 2009 23:04:15 GMT
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Worth pointing out that a sidevalve Ford engine only does 50,000 miles between rebuilds. If thrashed and not looked after then it'll only do 30,000 miles. And rebuilds are expensive - the con rods have cast-in white metal bearings, not shells, so are expensive to sort out. Johnny 69 was running a sidevalve ford daily - he went through a couple of engines, AFAIK. EDIT - nice cars, though. Stack-loads of potential. 103E engines would have white-metal cast-in bearings but most 100Es should have shell bearings by now.  |
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May 13, 2009 17:01:43 GMT
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trig is selling his one, i think it's on e-bay grey colour one & it is solid & he uses that mainly for the work commute too |
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May 13, 2009 17:03:52 GMT
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the buy it now price is a bit higher than I thought it was actually. might be worth a look though 100E |
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Last Edit: May 13, 2009 17:04:50 GMT by Ratters
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May 13, 2009 17:48:50 GMT
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had several 100es
one had aquaplane head twin sus and tubular exhaust manifold
had one with new recon engine
again i think you love em or hate em and i loved all of mine including the one that threw a rod through the block
like custom 100es including drag ones
three speed box quirky but eh in its day they were the best of british engineering
would have one now if swmbo agreed
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May 13, 2009 21:45:03 GMT
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Looks like you really liked them Mdbitz.
We are continueing to look for the right price, place and car.
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Sidevalves. Early Pop like my old black one and Model Y sidevalves are weak but the 100E is a redesigned much stronger engine with shell bearings in most of them. I thought they were white metal but most people tell me they had shells, so I think only the early ones had babbit.
You can buy an adapter from Small Ford Spares to swap the gearbox from the sidevalve 3-speed to the later 4-speed from a 105E Anglia (like mine). This will transform the car. In my mind this means you could use any Ford 4-speed box because they all have the same bolt pattern, or if you wanted a bit of tunnel cutting you could put in a Sierra 5-speed and a shorter propshaft.
Front brake upgrades are reasonably easy. 105Speed and Milton both do bolt-on kits to convert Anglia 105E struts to Fiesta disc brakes. 100E struts are nearly identical to 105E Anglia so this would be the sort of thing that would modify onto 100E struts quite easily I expect. Then the steering geometry stays correct etc. The only thing that would change would be the stud pattern, so you'd have to swap to a pair of Anglia 105E wheels which are dead cheap, but have the more modern Ford stud pattern.
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I think all 100Es originaly had white metal bearings, but most have been converted to shells over the years?
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... the only injury I sustained was a bumped head when I let the seatbelt of without realizing the car was upside down  and that's not really the car's fault. |
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and that's not really the car's fault.