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I love this thread, probably one of only 2 or 3 i always check in on, i just love how you just keep pushing on with the most unlikely of cars with most unlikely of problems in the most unlikely of places.... I Love it!
I also love the way you keep triumphing in the face of bloody minded french technology!
Keep up the good work...
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The Internet, like all tools, if used improperly, can make a complete bo**cks of even the simplest jobs...
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I love this thread, probably one of only 2 or 3 I always check in on, I just love how you just keep pushing on with the most unlikely of cars with most unlikely of problems in the most unlikely of places.... I Love it! I also love the way you keep triumphing in the face of bloody minded french technology! Keep up the good work... Thanks, I'm trying. Not getting too far with it right now and SWMBO is getting upset at it ("If you ever ask me if you can have a project car again I'm telling you no") but I shall get there in the end. It was designed at the factory, proven on the bench and broken in the vehicle so I'll fix it one way or another. --Phil
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Ooh, looky looky! What's in my mailbox today? Is it? No, it can't be, but yes! It is a Colortune! heh. Got the thing unpacked, checked it was all there. Kindly my old man has included a few more instructions photocopied (In colour, nontheless!) from his Colortune. The things have changed over the years but the theory is identical. It's all in there. You get a different assortment of parts than you used to. The original from the 60's you had to improvise and put the middle of a bog roll over it to be able to see what was going on if it was the slightest bit light out. This one comes with a little tube with a mirror, so you're not staring right at something that could potentially blow out into your face. Nice touch. For the young'uns who might read this and have never seen it before, this is the most important bit, the plug: Looks like the banjo-playing half-brother of a real spark plug, but for a reason: Unlike a normal spark plug, this one has a chunk of Borosilicate glass set into it, with the ceramic centre going down the middle. you can see all the way through it. Most of you will probably have had the opportunity to play with a Bunsen burner at some point in school, and you'll know that if you block the air duct off the flame goes all bright yellow and sooty, and if you open it up it burns pale blue and clean. Petrol does the same inside the cylinder, so if the mix is too rich it burns bright yellow, if it is stoichiometric (perfect ratio of air:fuel, petrol is about 14:1) it burns with that "Bunsen blue" colour. The plug allows you to see this and adjust the fuel mixture accordingly. It kinda went out of fashion with carburettors, but it's still a useful tool. They sell 'em here, but not in metric, and they roll off the shelf for about $90... go see what Halfords sells them for heh, and you'll see why I had my father ship one from the UK! Got that lot packed up, and set aside the other part of today's odds and ends: The three-legged creatures are on the march across the plains to destroy everything in a *ZORT* of bright green light! aka I got another couple of transistors to try build this circuit again --Phil
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If you hear tiny cries of UUUULAAAAAH from your desktop you know you've got bigger problems than Renault electrics to worry about!
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Didn't have much time to do anything tonight, as by the time I get home it's dark already. Daylight savings time sucks on the changeover. Either way the wife wanted to stop in and check for mail at the MIL's so I picked up one of the spare plugs from my toolbox when we stopped to compare it against the Colortune;s threads. Thankfully they are identical in diameter and thread pitch. This weekend might see some testing. I did notice last time I ran it up that the thermostat was sticking, opening, sticking, opening. I guess it doesn't like being sat up. Might be time for a replacement. --Phil
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iant
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Interesting write up on the colortune, I'm learning! Great thread overall, thanks for sharing
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i used a colourtune on my vw 2.0 aircooled when i fitted weber idf carbs, i used the gunsun colourtune, a gunson cheapo gas tester i got of ebay, a carb airflow balancing tool, & i got mine running absolutely spot on, i wanted it as good as it could be before i had it on a rolling road-the rolling road guy was super impressed!!! one of the jets on one my carbs was wrong from the factory / but other than that being changed & a few experianced tweaks for smoother running the rolling road guy said my mixture was right on the money!!!! i think the colourtune is a good tool-even better with a gas tester!!!!!!
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Yep, colourtune is a great tool. My dad used them to get twin Webers working on an Alfa twincam (with 4 colourtune plugs)
Gives a lovely view when doing it at a summerday evening.
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Click picture for more
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We are due to freeze tonight, so I made a trip down to the car after work tonight. Decided to take the Colortune down to check it out. Removed the no4 (yes, I know it's at the pulleys end but Renault number their plugs from the flywheel end. Yet another oddity) spark plug and cleaned up the hole: Stuck the Colortune in And wired it up to the ignition lead My camera can't handle really dark, but I fired it up and poked the lens towards it, hoping to capture something: Really cold it runs better than not so cold, suggesting I have the baseline wrong somewhere, or a sensor is maladjusted. Stopped that, forgot to put the old plug back in and started it up on a whistly-wheezy 3. Oops. At least it starts and runs on 3 though. Get-me-home Decided then to actually drain the coolant and put in some antifreeze. The radiator has a drain tap on it, helpfully. Car took a leak all over the driveway. Antifreeze has been on the "must-do" list since I rebuilt the engine. thankfully it is clean as it had boiled up a while back, and I think a large amount of the oxygen in the water outgassed, so there wasn't much to make it go rusty. Stuck $19 of Prestone's finest Alugard-II compliant antifreeze in: Started the engine and let it draw the stuff round. Mmm, fluorescent yellow goodness! Let it come up to temperature and open up the thermostat- the heater works really very well Idling nicely, although the flash made the fan and belt appear stationary One thing I did notice though was that when it was idling on a slight load (fan, heater, headlights etc on) the voltmeter was dancing about and the lights flickering: Not too sure what causes that, but the battery is a)knackered b) low on charge. Would the regulator be having a fit like that because it has a load and the battery is shot, or is that symptomatic of something else? Adding a load makes it smoothly drop down in volts, then rise up again and begin to wiggle. There's always something. That and I packed up and forgot to lock my toolbox- I remembered when I got home- so had to drive all the way down there and back again with dinner in the oven, afraid it was going to singe... haha. --Phil
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Sven
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Four cylinders of fury .... Charge the battery and it'll likely quit.
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Last Edit: Nov 11, 2011 3:45:49 GMT by Sven
1969 Chevrolet 4x4 C10 Pickup 1969 VW extended cab pickup (doka) 1980 Volvo 240DL 1995 Mazda Miata MX-5 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel 2011 MK Indy R (building)
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Nov 12, 2011 19:57:55 GMT
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Four cylinders of fury .... Charge the battery and it'll likely quit. Four pot drone lol The battery is a Walmart (n)Ever-Start, and it was in the car when I got it, dead flat. I'm surprised it even took a charge. You can see how good it is from one of the previous videos. I go to start it and RAKRAKRAKRAK of the solenoid lol It's had it, so a new one is on the list. I know the battery is a large part of smoothing the voltage out on the car too. Probably going to be doing a bit more research tonight on the electronics, SWMBO wants me to bake bread and clean house. --Phil
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Nov 12, 2011 20:43:09 GMT
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another thing worth doing for minimal cost is to take the alternator off & take it to your local starter motor/alternator reconditioner & have new brushes fitted & tell them to check the health of the alternator, obviously i'm here in the uk, i ususally get this done for around £25 at my local place so would that be maybe 48dollers or somthing? this & a new battery & you should be good to go, oh fit a new alternator belt when you refit the alternator if you go that route!!!
if that don't sort your wiggley voltmeter its probly a slight electrical problom, possibly a bad earth on the gauge due to a chaffed wire or if it has a voltage regualtor on the back of the gauge that may be a bit duff, anyhoo thats me done i have manflu cough cough!!!!
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Mini 998cc grp bonnet & boot, lightend shell, 6-point cage, soon to have a turbo on the 998 engine (t2 frm a r5gt) rs turbo intercooler, hoping to get 120ish bhp?
father is building a Mini Van 1330, 45 weber, 100bhp@wheels
'RIP' 1.8 Metro GTi, 15.23 1/4mile
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Nov 12, 2011 23:36:41 GMT
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another thing worth doing for minimal cost is to take the alternator off & take it to your local starter motor/alternator reconditioner & have new brushes fitted & tell them to check the health of the alternator, obviously i'm here in the uk, I ususally get this done for around £25 at my local place so would that be maybe 48dollers or somthing? this & a new battery & you should be good to go, oh fit a new alternator belt when you refit the alternator if you go that route!!! if that don't sort your wiggley voltmeter its probly a slight electrical problom, possibly a bad earth on the gauge due to a chaffed wire or if it has a voltage regualtor on the back of the gauge that may be a bit duff, anyhoo thats me done I have manflu cough cough!!!! I had the alternator checked locally and they said it was good and didn't need to have anything changed. A rebuild here usually ends up into three figures- it's often cheaper to p/x out the old one as a core against a rebuilt one. The belt has done about 3 miles, but may have to be changed again. Someone I know has kindly donated a spare idler pulley (the piece making all the racket in the bonnet-up videos) to the cause. The voltmeter appears to be quite accurate- the headlights were pulsing in time with the gauge I've checked the meter against what the battery reads at and it is accurate. I'm thinking Sven is right- a decent battery would help. --Phil
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Nov 14, 2011 12:22:02 GMT
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I spent some time reading this from the beginning, and I must say I admire your commitment in keeping the project going! Also explaining all the issues and how you have solved them (with pictures) is most helpful, thanks for that and keep 'em coming As I am currently restoring a couple of Renault 11's, I do hope I won't have as many electrical issues as you... One of them will have also the GrA rallycar theme going like the photo you posted. The front grille and logo work was great and looks so much better. Regarding the logo, I know it's too late but for later reference, I saw a thread in a French forum, where they actually painted the whole thing silver (red in your case), and then black on top. As this is a relief, they then sanded the logo for the silver to appear. The results seemed great and will try it on my TXE at some point. I suppose in this method you need to apply lacquer afterwards. Must say those front lights were cheap at $9, here for the nearly same front older ph1 renault 9/11 with the double lamps, they cost 50 euros a piece (roughly $70). And nearly the same price is for the yellow foglights as they are not produced anymore.
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Renault Laguna Sport Tourer 2.0dCi 178hp -11 // Renault Laguna 2.0T -03 // Renault Clio 1.4 8V -00 // Renault Safrane 2.2 -94 // Renault 11 1.4 T -84 // Renault 11 1.4 T -88 // Renault 11 1.7 TXE -86 // Renault 11 1.4GTL -85 // Renault 5 1.3 TS -79// Renault 11 1.4GTS -84
Link to build thread
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I tried doing the paint/sand thing but it didn't work out too well- the paint is very thin, the plastic bends under the pressure of your touch and you end up showing all the high areas. It isn't as pretty but with this method I would at least be able to put on a layer, sand it flat, put another, sand it etc, until the paint was totally flat. In this case it's going to be pocked with stones and bugs so it's adequate I learned also that the European lights are slightly different in dimensions to the standard USA spec 4666 bulbs. That's probably why... --Phil
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I can't tell from the static photo inside your coolant overflow tank, but make sure the coolant is flowing out if the tank at a good pace. There is a rubber "grommet" or something inside the hose going from the tank to the head, to restrict flow for some reason. In my convertible, it became plugged with a small bead of sealant and that I think eventually lead to the head gasket replacement that I had to do. A Renault enthusiast in St. Louis informed me that if this hose is plugged or restricted too much, the head overheats and it's downhill from there. My car had a host of other cooling issues, but I think the root cause was that little bead of form-a-gasket that got caught. Better safe than sorry so check it out. Myself, I've always been tempted to take the grommet out, I mean how can it hurt to have the head cooler than normal? But I ended up trusting that the Renault engineers must have had a reason.
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I can't tell from the static photo inside your coolant overflow tank, but make sure the coolant is flowing out if the tank at a good pace. There is a rubber "grommet" or something inside the hose going from the tank to the head, to restrict flow for some reason. In my convertible, it became plugged with a small bead of sealant and that I think eventually lead to the head gasket replacement that I had to do. A Renault enthusiast in St. Louis informed me that if this hose is plugged or restricted too much, the head overheats and it's downhill from there. My car had a host of other cooling issues, but I think the root cause was that little bead of form-a-gasket that got caught. Better safe than sorry so check it out. Myself, I've always been tempted to take the grommet out, I mean how can it hurt to have the head cooler than normal? But I ended up trusting that the Renault engineers must have had a reason. At idle it widdles everywhere, flowing about as much as that pipe can handle. I had checked that before. I need to repair the tank or replace it because it is cracked but not yet leaking. Another item on the list of things, but flow of coolant is superb, thankfully. It even fills up with just the radiator top plug unscrewed and pouring coolant into the header tank. I did find it easier to take the heater pipe off the intake manifold and fill it from there in the past... --Phil
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Data! Or, at least, the search for. I started on a few circuits. Doing a bit of diagonal research I decided to try and build a buffer circuit with an amplified output. Relatively straightforward TTL (Transistor-Transistor Logic) circuitry, with its roots based in the sixties. Should be retro enough. Got a power supply regulator at Radio Shack tonight ($1.95) and started to build on the breadboard. Mighty shiny but it didn't work, at least, not for the application I needed it. Tore all that off the breadboard and started over from a different direction, attempting a saturated emitter setup... That didn't bloody well work either. Tore it all off the board and decided a regular NPN inverter circuit with totem amplifier, for sharp switching. Okay, that works. I'm hoping that's the shape the data needs to be else I'm going to have to hunt for another transistor and generate an inverter that hangs off the back of the green bulb. Next up is to see about making sure the little RS232 device I have accurately clocks to 62500. going to work on that, and eyeball the output waveform of the thing to see if the waveform this circuit board creates when it's hooked up to the car's ECU. If it works, I can condense this down probably into either a few transistors or maybe a microchip and a few resistors. It's a brave new world --Phil
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I've been busy, me. Inbetween baking bread for SWMBO and cooking dinner, and work (bah) I managed to verify a few things. Firstly, I set up my fully stocked electronics workshop: Fired up my trusty oscilloscope, wiped the crud off it and discovered something my nephew had spilled on the bezel had eaten at the plastic I set the little USB RS232 device I bought off Amazon to work, outputting a series of 1's and 0's. This is the output from the computer, the "ideal" waveform, if you will (basically what the computer would be expect to be fed). Not too bad. I notice my scope needs adjustment for this new location, or possibly it just didn't like being sat on top of the dog's kennel but the waveform is nice and uniform, with some good rising edges. Now, if I actually liked math I could look at the markings on the screen, the width of a pulse, the timebase of the scope and work out the frequency the thing was pushing at. Given that I try to avoid sums where possible, I decided on an easier route, seeing as I was equipped. My concern was that the serial device was lying to me and the program that was driving it, and that it was running at 57600 baud, a standard speed, not the 62500 I had set it to. 62505. That'll do. I actually did a sum here and came up with 0.000064% error rate in timing. That is well within the 0.050000% by several factors. Joy. My cheapy device actually works! I decided to feed the output into the input and look at what the circuit was actually generating. In theory it should smooth out any ripples or wibbly noise that the car may spit onto the line (think interference from spark plugs etc.) and create a brand new waveform from that. Nice sharp rising edges. A little bit small perhaps (I fixed that since by introducing a smaller resistor into the output stage to bring up the voltage) but a good shape. I'm actually quite proud that the waveform I have created is cleaner and a better shape (compare the bottom of the squares on each picture, the bottom one is better than the computer was making!) than the input... Decided to drive it at about 4 times the speed it is designed for- and stuck a file through it for good measure. It read the file back perfectly at 26kb/s- that is the same speed as slow DSL- so 6.2kbps should present it no problem. The bits are inverted in this circuit- that is, a 1 put in makes a 0 and vice versa so I'm hoping the car is trying to make a 1 when it turns the output on and not a 0 else I'll have to make a hasty addition to the circuit to amend that but hopefully all is well. Wish me luck with this one. I'm going to need it. --Phil
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Last Edit: Nov 17, 2011 4:04:04 GMT by PhilA
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Nov 17, 2011 16:13:05 GMT
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I don't understand any of this, but er... well done! :-)
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