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Yeah fair enough.
I wonder how often these things come up for sale, the only ones available at the moment (at least on all the usual car sales sites) are either project cars or minters.
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Well I didn't say really old. I just want something with style and/or character, generally older cars have more of this. I don't mind if it's not the fastest car around a track, but I'd like something that feels pretty quick and if it's fast as well that's a bonus. Cheap to insure is important because I'm a new driver, but most classic cars are cheaper to insure than new cars anyway so it's not so much of a concern, especially when a lot of them are tax exempt. your problem is, classic cars AREN'T cheaper to insure than new cars when you're young. The cheapest ones to insure are 2 year old lupos and 106s. You cant get a classic policy being under 21/23/25 depending on company, and a normal policy covering you on a classic with inferior brakes, harder to source parts, etc, will just get you a sizeable quote. as for fast, i'd encourage you to just get a 1 litre or 1.3, add a set of carbs and do a little bit of weight-saving. as a rule classics are more 'tinny', and you'll feel like you're going much faster than you are. which is the reason so few classic crash and so many modern cars do, where you cant sense the speed. test-driving a few is the way forward
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Well I didn't say really old. I just want something with style and/or character, generally older cars have more of this. I don't mind if it's not the fastest car around a track, but I'd like something that feels pretty quick and if it's fast as well that's a bonus. Cheap to insure is important because I'm a new driver, but most classic cars are cheaper to insure than new cars anyway so it's not so much of a concern, especially when a lot of them are tax exempt. your problem is, classic cars AREN'T cheaper to insure than new cars when you're young. The cheapest ones to insure are 2 year old lupos and 106s. You cant get a classic policy being under 21/23/25 depending on company, and a normal policy covering you on a classic with inferior brakes, harder to source parts, etc, will just get you a sizeable quote. as for fast, i'd encourage you to just get a 1 litre or 1.3, add a set of carbs and do a little bit of weight-saving. as a rule classics are more 'tinny', and you'll feel like you're going much faster than you are. which is the reason so few classic crash and so many modern cars do, where you cant sense the speed. test-driving a few is the way forward You're actually wrong on the insurance (at least I think anyway). I live in a very high risk postal code area. Anything modern and small costs over £1800 to insure (third party). But I can insure an Imp for example for £1500 on a normal policy (third party F&T), and for just over a grand with Adrian Flux classic policy. The Avenger is £1850 on normal insurance, and about £1400 on a classic policy. Plus they'd both potentially be tax exempt.
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The Imp will be even less with FJ using the Club affiliated ARCC scheme.
Those two Avengers are priced about right for what they are and the condition. I'd have the second one but it would have to be manual and a different colour at that price.
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Seems to be the same with all the cars I'm look at. 5-6k buys you an absolute mint show car, and around 2k will get you something fairly good with a few niggles. Seems the same with the Imp, the Spitfire, and the Avenger.
Also I'm yet to ring up FJ, I will do though when I finally decide for definite what I want.
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what age are you? classic policies that cover younger drivers are almost unheard of!
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what age are you? classic policies that cover younger drivers are almost unheard of! 17 at the moment, I'll be 18 in a few months when I get the car I choose. Adrian Flux will insure me at my age, I've already asked them. Haven't checked FJ yet, but everyone says they will.
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fj are normally 20 or 21 i think.
how about coming back to the real world here. I'm pretty sure you mentioned you don't have much mechanical capabilty, and old cars do go wrong. they break, we fix, we enjoy, thats why we love them. but, at the end of the day, your 17/18 havent got a clue what you want, and in the case of imp/spitfire, seem to be more interested in what other people think.
go for a sensible classic/daily, like a mk1 fezz or nova or golf, cheap as chips. spend a few quid if you need to and slam it, big stero etc, and enjoy it. fwd means you cant spend more time chillin and not killing yourself with rwd inexperience, and mucho cheapness means you can do what life it really about, getting miles on the thing. put the moeny in the tank, get all your mates round you and roll. it all seems so important now, but as soon as you get four wheels, your be happy.
you can spend all your life buying more cars...
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I don't mind if it breaks down every now and then. I don't need a car at all, it's purely for fun anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
I don't particularly care what others think, but I don't want to drive what people perceive as an old banger. If I cared what most my peers thought I would not get a classic, as most my mates think that classics look rubbish and like modern cars.
My dad has plenty of mechanical knowledge so he'll be able to help if anything major goes wrong. And I don't like Nova's or Fezza's. I'd rather just have a 1.6 focus if I'm going to get something that modern.
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Woah!!!!!!!!! Those Avenger owners are seriously extracting the urine (taking the P1ss) Have a look on ebay, I reckon those expensive ones are being sold by dealers. They see MK1 escorts going for silly money and instantly assume that other cars of the same age are worth the same money
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Blue estate? Seen it, proper mint, had loads spent on it, but still only worth 2K at a push, especially in the current financial climate. The bottom will fall out of the classic car market soon (if it hasn't already) and pretty much everything will be worth peanuts
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Blue estate? Seen it, proper mint, had loads spent on it, but still only worth 2K at a push, especially in the current financial climate. The bottom will fall out of the classic car market soon (if it hasn't already) and pretty much everything will be worth peanuts Yeah the blue estate, looks nice, but I can't afford it anyway, I have 2k max to spend on the car to start with. Estates don't really float my boat either. Do you think it'd be wise to wait even longer to get a classic then?
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The eastae actually has 5 link suspension as opposed to the saloons 4 link. The estate has a panhard rod. Yeah, I'd give it a couple of months, everyone will reallise that nobody has any money anymore and have to drop thier prices accordingly. I'm thinking about joining the ASOC, so I'll keep my eyes peeled for cheap avengers
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The eastae actually has 5 link suspension as opposed to the saloons 4 link. The estate has a panhard rod. Yeah, I'd give it a couple of months, everyone will reallise that nobody has any money anymore and have to drop thier prices accordingly. I'm thinking about joining the ASOC, so I'll keep my eyes peeled for cheap avengers Sorry, I'm still learning all the mechanical jargon. What is the difference between 4 link and 5 link suspension? Also what is a panhard rod? Forgive my ignorance I wasn't planning on getting it until the Summer earliest anyway. It's just I know I'll have a lot to learn about keeping a classic car alive before I get it, which is why I've already started doing research etc now.
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A Panhard rod basically cuts out sideways movement in the axle, making it more stable when cornering. Basically, estates handle better. I reckon that things will be much cheaper by the summer. Online auction sites are not the correct way to guage prices. A car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, not what greedy norons thinkg it is worth. The 4K estate has been on ebay a couple of times, and surprise surprise it hasn't sold
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Yeah. I prefer the look of the saloons though. Heh, I know I'm fussy.
Do you know of any buyers guides for these things at all?
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I know what you mean, the saloons do rock. Pretty sure Retro cars Magazine did a buyers guide at some point. Practical classics did a buyers guide February 2000
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Cool, I'll have a look I did prefer the two door versions, kind of like the 4 doors saloons now heh. I like the little curve on the rear wing and I love the proportions. Do you use yours as a daily driver?
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I love the lines that come down from the roof to the rear wings. I bought mine as a £300project off ebay last summer, it's a long term project, but it will be my daily driver once it's done. The alternative is my girlfriends KA
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