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Aug 11, 2005 21:16:12 GMT
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I'm with bigwig, been there seen that, mate paraplegic as a result Worked in M-Sport since I was 13, seen lots of crashes and lost freinds in some of them. Buckets yes Harnesses without Cage.... no chance Blownimp given what you are Studying you should know better Sorry but hate to see someone get hurt as a result of "Looking Cool" and not knowing all the implications (no pun intended) of the Kit they have just fitted. A Good comprimise if you want to have the look is only use one shoulder strap so it acts like a 3 point... Not good and I still don't advocate it but its your car and your free to injure yourself in it as you wish Just thought you ought to know
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Aug 11, 2005 21:24:56 GMT
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I'm with bigwig, been there seen that, mate paraplegic as a result Worked in M-Sport since I was 13, seen lots of crashes and lost freinds in some of them. Buckets yes Harnesses without Cage.... no chance Blownimp given what you are Studying you should know better Sorry but hate to see someone get hurt as a result of "Looking Cool" and not knowing all the implications (no pun intended) of the Kit they have just fitted. A Good comprimise if you want to have the look is only use one shoulder strap so it acts like a 3 point... Not good and I still don't advocate it but its your car and your free to injure yourself in it as you wish Just thought you ought to know my reasoning was not 'looking cool' but safety....harnesses are 100 times more effective in a crash than a lap strap, hence me fitting them. as i said before i do not intend to drive my car in anyway different now then when i had lap straps so i am clearly safer then before.
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Aug 11, 2005 21:25:39 GMT
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I bet Stanton wishes he'd never posted the bloody pic!
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Aug 11, 2005 21:26:11 GMT
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the implications for me were obvious, one very broken car, one ok me (apart from the bruises from the harnesses). four point harnesses will always be better than fixed lap and diagonals for me, they have saved me.
four points are better than lap belts founr points and buckets are better than just four points a cage and buckets and harnesses are better than the lot
in 90% of the cases the buckets and harnesses will be better than nowt, ok in a roll over you might get trapped, but the same will happen with the stock stuff.
If i could id be running a spaceframe with a safety cell a bag tank HANS devices, helmet, the lot, but on the road the majority of these are illegal.
My 3" willians harnesses are illegal, as are helmets. its hard to say what is right and what is wrong, but at the end of the day better seatbelts are better seatbelts.
well done stanton
J
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Nick
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Aug 11, 2005 21:31:07 GMT
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blownimp how come your 3""willians harnesses are illegal?
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Aug 11, 2005 21:34:08 GMT
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I bet Stanton wishes he'd never posted the bloody pic! haha an afternoons tinkering has erupted into mad chaos! the way i see it unless u plan to roll it harnesses will always be safer than lap straps. ;D
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Aug 11, 2005 21:42:00 GMT
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A good buy I reckon, in an Imp with standard belts and seats you get flung all over the bloody motor in corners! ;D ;D Obviously a cage and some buckets would be a wise buy if you were racing the thing, but if you're using the car on the road and nowhere else then I can't see that you're likely to roll the thing. A good eventual buy you might be interested in is the Recaro buckets from a Ford Escort RS turbo (mkIII Escort that is), they're comfortable, supportive, and I can tell you from experience that the fronts fit in the car with relatively little effort, and 4 points work well with them, plus you can pick them up cheap from a scrapped Escort turbo or similar, I'm also told that Fiesta XR2 seats work with even less effort. As I said, there's no urgent need for that sort of thing to be done since standard Imp seats are fine, but it's amazing how much more supportive and comfortable over distances they are.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Aug 11, 2005 21:46:33 GMT
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nearly all harnesses that are FIA certified are not EU certified and so should not pass the MOT. Its to do with the fixing and the buckle mainly. The ones stanton has bought are road legal as they have the EU certified buckle and material.
J
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impmann
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Aug 11, 2005 21:52:46 GMT
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Wasn't it Stirling Moss who said that you should drive with a six-inch spike sticking out of the steering wheel centre - that would slow you *right* down and improve road safety.
Frankly I think the man's a tw@t but there is a certain degree of logic there.
I use modern seats in my (and my wife's) Imps (XR3i and Recaros) - these give proper head restraint in unfortunate circumstances. However, I have no intention of fitting a cage - and no amount of reasoning from the m/sport boys and girls will convice me that fitting one to a road car, used at road speeds in normal conditions is going to change that. Especially in an Imp, you have to try VERY hard to turn one of them over... and having done so, I can attest to how strong their roofs & side pillars are.
I'm also not a fan of multi-point harnesses in a road car due to the limited movement you have - a mate lost his car due to not being able to turn sufficiently to clear his blind spot on a motorway... funny how you can loose a 7.5tonne truck in a blind spot.
The static belts fitted to a standard Imp (if used and adjusted correctly) actually work better than inertia reels - FACT. Its just that when used in this way you cannot operate the controls correctly - hence inertias are perceived as being "better" due to their convenience. However, in an Imp there is nowhere to SAFELY mount a decent inertia reel to work correctly without some major rejigging of the interior metalwork - again another FACT.
I've lost three mates to accidents over the past 17 years and nearly lost a few more (one was touch and go for a while) - and all those guys were being dicks when they lost control of the cars they were driving. There is nothing more deadly than the nut behind the wheel and no amount of cages/belts/safety cell is going to save you from yourself sometimes.
Nice stuff Stanton - keep up the good work with the Imp... they rool, y'know!
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Last Edit: Aug 11, 2005 21:54:17 GMT by impmann
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Aug 11, 2005 21:58:02 GMT
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wasnt it jeremy clarkson who said that?
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Aug 11, 2005 21:59:48 GMT
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Rounded stuff off nicely impmann!
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Aug 11, 2005 22:04:24 GMT
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oh and as a side not, these will be fitted with a matching cloth trim interior when the car is sufficently ratted up, mk1 astra sport recaros (same as fez rst tbh) **runs and hides from another flaming**
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BigWig
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Aug 11, 2005 22:06:37 GMT
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Stanton, I can totally see your point, a lap belt isn't worth a carrot. I didn't want to spark a mass debate, although it is good to hear everyones point of view.
But because of me competing and having knowledge of car safety, I'm not talking NCAP tests, but motorsport prep, I feel the urge to give my 2p's worth now and again.
I'm not saying everyone take out their buckets and harnesses, just letting you know of the dangers.
Ah men.
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Aug 11, 2005 22:06:40 GMT
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Good call, not unlike the Recaros I'm using, which are good seats!!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Aug 11, 2005 22:12:17 GMT
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Stanton, I can totally see your point, a lap belt isn't worth a carrot. I didn't want to spark a mass debate, although it is good to hear everyones point of view. But because of me competing and having knowledge of car safety, I'm not talking NCAP tests, but motorsport prep, I feel the urge to give my 2p's worth now and again. I'm not saying everyone take out their buckets and harnesses, just letting you know of the dangers. Ah men. yea totally mate, how everyone spends thier money and makes thier decisions is up to them and are entitled to make thier own minds up on the matter. its good to have a lil debate sometimes so those who havent made up thier minds can, using everyone elses input. ;D
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Aug 11, 2005 22:16:27 GMT
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the debates cool, i can still feel the love in here man!
J
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Aug 11, 2005 22:20:57 GMT
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don't get too close blown imp.........is tht your wastegate? or are you pleased to be humping my leg?
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Aug 11, 2005 22:47:51 GMT
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Sorry Stanton, but those seats just remind me of burberry...
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Aug 11, 2005 22:59:02 GMT
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i have to quell the lurking chav inside of me somehow!
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BigWig
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Aug 11, 2005 23:10:22 GMT
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"how everyone spends thier money and makes thier decisions is up to them and are entitled to make thier own minds up on the matter"
Yep thats the one. But seeing as the majority of us are blokes on here, then what are the chances of us listening to anyone else? ;D ;D
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