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SVA Questionsmaskedavenger
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Jan 29, 2009 19:21:38 GMT
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got to say this is a realy usefull thread does any of this afect all vehicles ie trucks and motorcycles
and i know this is a lousy example but wasnt there a scrapheap challenge where by some cornish fellas radically alterd a vehicle body (not chassis and where told they didnt need sva) and there challengers did i cant remember the vehicles though
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Jan 29, 2009 19:26:09 GMT
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Having chatted with a few kit car owners, the system for them currently seems to be. Build the car with the minimum on it to pass MOT, and do it to SVA standard. So if you don't need a screen, don't fit one. If you don't need a demister or wipers because you don't have a screen, don't fit them. Carry on with everything not legally required for road legality, then once you have the SVA cert in your hand, and are registered, bung everything else on. At no point is an SVA'd kit car re-SVAd once passed, no matter what is done to it. Is this going to be different in IVA territory as far as is known? That would mean for an existing vehicle, already registered, unless radically altered surely wouldn't need SVA. Then again I suppose we are down to the definition of radical. Quite worrying this, because as has been said. Sensible fully upgraded brakes and suspension, steering to take larger engine =SVA Barley Mowers shove an ERF diesel lump into a fiat 500 = Safe original vehicle that requires no SVA. And the DVLA still think it is a Fiat 500. My take on this is, to make sure all those 1.3's with 2.0's in are properly registered and so taxed, and an ever better way of getting old cars with "dirty" old engines into emissions based testing and "4x4 gas guzzler" tax bracket. Can you just picture "I'm sorry sir, because you changed your rear axle to one with an LSD, you are now in Band G and we want £400 a year for your 1982 Ford Granada"? It was discussed in the BIVA consultation paper whether cars modified after registration caused issues there are many interpretations to what this meant exactly. The EXACT wording and replies are given, linked direct to original source, can be found over on the ACE site ( www.the-ace.org.uk for those that haven't noticed it yet ).If you were already signed up you'd have got the results within a couple of days of it becoming public knowledge . Engine size and number, colour, floor pan, seating and fuel have ALWAYS been Notifiable changes on a log book and are subject to £1000 maximum fine for non compliance The definition of what IS radical is given by DVLA on their website, doesn't actually matter if anyone disagrees as their version is used to apply the laws. ;D I really wouldn't be saying how others abuse the system ,or how 'I' was going to get round it on forums that both DVLA and VOSA make no secret of visiting.
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Jan 29, 2009 19:35:18 GMT
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Bear in mind Q plates are not just for kit and modified cars. They are for imported older cars and stolen recovered vehicles too, so why would having a Q plate be a badge of honour? I met a bloke only yesterday with a Mk2 transit on a Q plate. It was stolen and recovered in 1995 and given the Q plate then. It's just a regular production Mk2 transit, but the Q plate put off quite a few buyers before he came along, they couldn't insure it. Q plates are only issued to bitsas or stolen recovered nowadays . Yes, you will struggle to insure a Q plate standard vehicle as the companies have no true identity by which to value it. That's not an issue with the specialist side of the market. Badge of Honour ? My personal take only, not here to argue with anyone about it ,I only came along to helps straighten out some facts that affected everyone. ;D How many Q plates do you see on a daily basis and how many people understand their significance anyway ?I honestly cannot remember the last time I saw one one the road. Whatever the plate on the car is I haven't yet found one that affects the way it drives or the fun it gives me . I wonder how many are old enough ,or have read old mags, where 'interesting' cars were called 'Q' cars ;D
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2009 19:47:13 GMT by kapri
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Jan 29, 2009 19:39:37 GMT
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got to say this is a realy usefull thread does any of this afect all vehicles ie trucks and motorcycles and I know this is a lousy example but wasnt there a scrapheap challenge where by some cornish fellas radically alterd a vehicle body (not chassis and where told they didnt need sva) and there challengers did I cant remember the vehicles though The SVA also affects trucks and bikes ( that have MSVA) and their standards will be upgraded over the next few years. Yes, the Scrappy Races , Top Gear 'limos'etc exploited every loophole in the book and did nothing for the credibilty of the SVA which VOSA were desperately trying to protect for OUR use.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2009 19:49:36 GMT by kapri
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SVA Questionsmaskedavenger
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Jan 29, 2009 19:55:08 GMT
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so is moving a battery tray from under the bonnet to the boot classed as a modified chassis,monoque
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Jan 29, 2009 21:33:30 GMT
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I wouldn't have thought so, it's not that much work to secure a battery is it?
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CIH
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Jan 29, 2009 22:17:49 GMT
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VOSA can sit ( unknown ) outside a premises whilst monitoring the MOT and walk in as soon as the test is signed off. This is not conjecture or scaremongering, FACT and I have 2 first hand reports of this happening. It is true. Not to mention VOSA Stormtroopers cruising round in their police-esque Ford Galaxys, with their little "follow me" signs.
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Jan 29, 2009 22:24:33 GMT
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I wonder how many are old enough ,or have read old mags, where 'interesting' cars were called 'Q' cars ;D Yup! I kinda dig the idea that someone who has gone balls out on a radical modified car, done it 100% properly and gone through the full SVA is proud to have a Q plate
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Jan 29, 2009 22:28:31 GMT
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I think what they should do is allow you to allocate yourself a plate (within reason), a combination of letters and digits or something along those lines, if you have an SVA. Obviously nothing that clashes with current or previous plate styles... That'd stop all this 'zomg it's on a Q' lark and maybe coerce a few more people into getting it done.
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Jan 29, 2009 23:06:04 GMT
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Thanks for the infomation so far ;D its been a great help so far, but I'm slightly confused still (I'm not the sharpest knife in the draw ) So that means classics cars will have to have modern features rendering them undateable and a q plate? Also would using viva HB brakes (HA drums up front) (HB disc up front) on my car would make me loose points? Thanks for keeping patient answering my questions ;D If you go through SVA you DON'T have to come out with a Q . If the vehicle is supplied with two major components from a donor car ( usually engine and gearbox ) and the v5C from that vehicle is supplied it will substantiate the engine date for BIVA emission purposes and provide a year of manufacture for an age related plate ie if the car reg is H123 ABC you will receive a H plate not THAT age plate. Once you are issued an age related plate you can transfer a dateless plate to it ,this is not the case with a Q ,once a Q always a Q ( the Irish change of plate loophole is closed ). The smart way of dealing with this is to put the cars original number on retention before you modify it.Once issued with an age related you can transfer the original number back on,fully legal. Thought the above earlier post had covered that ? ;D
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I didn't think you could transfer a plate to a vehicle with a Q plate, but could be wrong. Anybody tried? Theoretically the car becomes registered on the date it gets it's Q plate, so maybe you can put something on it that pre dates that.
I do know of a custom van (V8 auto CF1 on military axles with gullwing doors) that had a Q plate inflicted on him after VOSA pitched up at his garage to inspect it (can only think he was grassed up). This was pre SVA and it still has it's Q, so I don't know if he tried or not.
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Jan 30, 2009 10:02:04 GMT
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As per my post above yours ..once a Q always a Q. The ONLY exception is where it was issued to an imported car where proof of age was not readily available. You used to have to do it within a year or you were stuck with it. However DVLA will conisder the proper documentation on a 'case by case basis' ( seem to have heard that phrase before? ) The reason it is issued a Q is because it's origins are inconclusive.It is about consumer protection ( HONESTLY !) .There used to be a paperwork excercise where cars ended up with an Irish plate. This was not wholey legal and that loophole has been closed.
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Either way, I don't see a Q reg as something desirable. I suspect most civilians don't either.
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v6pop
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Not to mention VOSA Stormtroopers cruising round in their police-esque Ford Galaxys, with their little "follow me" signs. And they do a very good job of keeping our roads safe from badly maintained vehicles and illegal drivers.......your problem is..? And they do sit outside garages with there mobile computers monitoring if the garage is logged onto to the VOSA mot site so they can see what car they are testing.They enter the garage to check said vehicle is being tested.......Sounds like they have our interests at heart,no one wants a dodgy mot ,do they?
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