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rite iv got myself a 1965 renault 8 needing no repair work just fitting back together,i no the renault 5gt turbo engine will basically slot straight in,and so will the volvo 1.7 turbo lump,but with the origonal gearbox made for a 1.1 engine are there any other gearboxes i can easily fit as i think a high powered lump would destroy the baby box,thanks in advance for your help,cheers adam
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rite iv got myself a 1965 renault 8 needing no repair work just fitting back together,i no the renault 5gt turbo engine will basically slot straight in,and so will the volvo 1.7 turbo lump,but with the origonal gearbox made for a 1.1 engine are there any other gearboxes I can easily fit as I think a high powered lump would destroy the baby box,thanks in advance for your help,cheers adam Pics of the Renault 8 mate - NOW!!!!  My recommendation would be to try and find a 1256cc 8 or 10 with the Type 330 box. These can take about 120 BHP give or take, and wouldn't be scene taxed to cock like any of the Gordini bits would be. If you didn't go mental with the boost you might be alright. Failing that you might have to find a UN 1 transaxle from a 25 or a Fuego or something and turn the CROWN wheel around so that it would work 'backwards'. Not sure where you'd find a bellhousing to do it though. The 1108 and 1256 cc lumps respond quite well to a bit of tuning - Gordini and Salv Sacco got 130 BHP from the latter without forced induction. |
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hold your horses lol,getting the car back friday so il take a few sneaky shots,ye iv been looking for places to find bits and it seems il be making/adapting alot of stuff myself if anything breaks lol,its took me 3years to stumble across a cheap renault8 so finding another for a gearbox may be hard lol,the little 1100 engine runs spot on but I'm planning on having the wide arches,sum deep wheels,with some nice looking camber on the rear wheels and an extra couple of spotlights on the front and just using it for abit of fun,so basically it is rele only a renault 8 and 10 that i can get an easy fitting box?some1 told me a modern 16v gearbox would fit but sounded daft to me,thanks for the quick response,cheers adam
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the reno 5 turbo engine puts the turbo where the bulkhead is on the 8,,,,,,,,,so it would need a custom manifold and the 1.7 engine have a different bolt pattern (and are too heavy/long)
but I totaly love these beasts,,,,,,,they look so cool with all the rally paraphernalia fitted
renault 4 boxes are basicaly the same design too
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hold your horses lol,getting the car back friday so il take a few sneaky shots,ye iv been looking for places to find bits and it seems il be making/adapting alot of stuff myself if anything breaks lol,its took me 3years to stumble across a cheap renault8 so finding another for a gearbox may be hard lol,the little 1100 engine runs spot on but I'm planning on having the wide arches,sum deep wheels,with some nice looking camber on the rear wheels and an extra couple of spotlights on the front and just using it for abit of fun,so basically it is rele only a renault 8 and 10 that I can get an easy fitting box?some1 told me a modern 16v gearbox would fit but sounded daft to me,thanks for the quick response,cheers adam No probs. Er, you'd have a job getting a transverse box to work longitudinally, and that's without getting started on the gear linkage. It could be done, but what a faf. As I say, if you're gonna go over 120 horses then an OEM box isn't going to take it for too long. I had a Type 330 ages ago when I had a Renault 10 but it got binned when I got conned out of it......* *a long and tedious story with which I've bored reanimation to death with several times down the pub. UN 1 from a Fuego \ 20 \ 21 \ 25 \ 30 would be your best bet. These are used widely in mid and rear engined replicars. And erm, the Lotus Esprit. Have a picture of my auto Renault 10 which allegedly still exists in Stockport somewhere....   Have you tried the RERC (Rear Engined Renault Club)? Jesus you're going to have to stop this, you'll make me want a 10 \ Dauphine again.... |
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one problem with the UN1 box is that it would need different rear suspension,,,,,,i'm guessing the reno 8 has swing arm suspension that pivots off the origional gearbox,,,,,,,the un1 has output flanges for a driveshaft,,,,,,so semi trailing suspension would have to be made up for the car+custom driveshafts and mounts/floor=bulkhead mods to use the un1
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a custom manifold isnt a problem mate as I have a hydraulic pipe bender,and made the1 for my gtd caddy,I'm going to have to go on a gearbo hunt then as id rather have evrything I need before I start then start and be waiting on parts,I'm new to renaults all together,i wanted one of these years ago when an old boy had 1 for sale,i went with the money and decided he wanted to keep it so gave up looking,iv done a deal with my bay window camper project and think iv got a very good deal,thanks for the info chaps,adam
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id prefer to keep the suspension as is to be honest,looks like il have to pay top dollar for a box,are there nay other engines that can be put in easily? cheers adam
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well basically if the stock suspension is to be used then as said you'll need to use the strongest reno box that will fit,,,,,,,the 1397 C1J engines are really revy units and are good for an easy 7500 rpm once blueprinted (from experience of standard ones happily reving to 7000)
a volvo 340 1.4 cylinder head fits the 1.1/1.4 engines (they have bigger ports/valves and are unleaded as standard)
any other engines would have to be lightweight as the front of 8's are really light to start with (you can lift the front by hand),, something heavy and torquey would make it understeer wildly and maybe wheely,,, possibly using an adapter plate could see an all alloy toyota starlet/nissan micra 16v engine slotted in
bigger capacity engines would need a better cooling system too,,,,,,the length of the prospective engine needs to be considered too so that it doesnt need the back panel extended
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surely sticking the 1.4 head on the standard 1.1 block would be to much stress for the bottom end wouldnt it,I'm not after it being super fast,but id like it to be as quick as my caddy gtd,which is on par with a golf gti,also if i ever want to take it back to origonal id like to keep it so i can,adam
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youre basicaly right,,,the 1.1 engine from the 60's had a 3 bearing crank so is abit fragile for intense tuning,,,,,,,,the later evolution of the engines have a 5 bearing crank,,,,,,so 1.1/1.4 engines from a reno 5/9/11/12 etc would have the potential for 120bhp+ (the volvo head has uncompatable manifold flange mountings but lowers the comp ratio of 1.1's to something daft like 7.5:1 which is good for forced induction(volvo/renault 1.4s have 9.25:1 ratios so are really well siuted to N/A tuning)
and of course the gtt engine already makes 119bhp from standard so the renault engine can be made from alsorts to give different characteristics
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I was told when a mate had one of these by a guy who tuned Dauphines that the 16V Clio engines would bolt right in. Tweaked 1.4 EFI lump might be a chuckle?
These cars rock. I wish I'd bought Steves off him when he sold it, cheap.
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Nice find! Awesome cars. If you don't feel like using the C-series block, you can also use a K-series out of a megane. Same bolt pattern, injection, 1600 16V for a K7m, 110 bhp. Might not be as powerful as a GT Turbo engine, but saves you throwing endless amounts of money at something with pushrods which will blow up eventually. Here is a build of someone fitting one to his DAF (They use the same engine you do) www.daf.dse.nl/XP%20project.htmwww.daf.dse.nl/New%20XP%2016%20V.htm |
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jesus,so there is a few engine options then,well as some1 else said its not what will fit but whats light enough so it handles well,maybe leaving the origonal engine init will be best while I'm hunting for a box,a little 1.4 16v out of a clio/megane would be best suited ,my mrs has just written off a 1.4 16v megane and they seem fairly nippy,been in a 1.6 and there doesnt seem alot init power wise,will the 16v engine need to be from a specific year?,asin do the mounts change and would it mount up to the standard box/gordini box?or 1 of the others thats been mentioned,sorry for all the questions just i want to get all the parts together so i can crack on as soon as i get it back,thanks adam
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+1 I'd do awful, unspeakable things to get my hands on an 8 Gordini.  |
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thats how i want it to look,look at that tasty camber,mmmm
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awsome news,just found out that the renault i bought is actually a 1300cc and the previous owner didnt realise lol,so does this mean iv got the relevent gearbox for the engine change/modification,might just be worth me putting a renault5/early clio 1400cc head onit and leaving it at that,what do you reckon,also what is the wheel pcd on one of these?surely it isnt 4x100 like the new 1s?,cheers adam
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awsome news,just found out that the renault I bought is actually a 1300cc and the previous owner didnt realise lol,so does this mean iv got the relevent gearbox for the engine change/modification,might just be worth me putting a renault5/early clio 1400cc head onit and leaving it at that,what do you reckon,also what is the wheel pcd on one of these?surely it isnt 4x100 like the new 1s?,cheers adam Awesome, so you've got a 1289cc 8? Tasty. God knows what the PCD is, it's a 3 stud if the 10 was anything to go by, the 1300 A110s\ Dauphine \ 8 \ 10 \ Caravelle \ Floride all used the same gearbox \ transaxle with the 1289 cc 'Sierra' engine. According to the Gotti website (somewhere you MUST look at to kit your wheels out at www.gbsalpine.com/wheel/gotti/eng.html), the PCD of a Renault 8 is 3 x 150mm.They make some sickeningly beautiful wheels in the correct offset for your car, especially if you're going for a Berg Cup feel. You might want to have a look at this article: www.abc.se/%7ekatriina/transax.htmIt's an interesting read based on tuning up RERCs. It looks like you have an early Type 330 (unless your 8 is an S). Hope that helps |
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yep its definately a 1289cc renault 8,on the logbook and evrything,its not an s model as its only got the single front lights for now,but wont have,where the hell will i get some wheels from,lol i think mine are just standard steelies,unless i got them banded? but the car wont be complete without some quality retro wheels on,adam
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yep its definately a 1289cc renault 8,on the logbook and evrything,its not an s model as its only got the single front lights for now,but wont have,where the hell will I get some wheels from,lol I think mine are just standard steelies,unless I got them banded? but the car wont be complete without some quality retro wheels on,adam Erm....from Gotti, that website I sent a link to? 'Ave a look at them links son |
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