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I feel I should contribute a bit more, and seeing as I drive an 8 year old Lupo, that kind of rules me out of the Retro Ride bit, so I'll post about my speakers A few weeks ago I bought some 17cm component speakers to put in the back of the car, but then decided against it. I'd always fancied making a set of speakers for the house so I made use of my few days off and made these: I got the wood cut my my Local DIY store (Lawrence brothers) they will cut MDF to size, and they get it square and perfect. 100x better than I could. I always use them for sub boxes and the like. I built the boxes (forgot to take and pictures) but basically screwed and glued them, 4 screws in each edge. They are made of 18mm MDF. I used a router to round over the edges and then put a recess for the speaker in the baffle plate, then put LOADS of primer on, and then LOADS of filler and filler primer and spent hours with the DA sander to make them from this : and after a few coats of off white aerosol paint, to this: Then I got them all built up: To be honest they sound a bit flat at the moment - I need to get a hole saw to add a port to improve bass response. They cost about £45 all in, and two days of my time. I'm quite proud of them
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Last Edit: Jan 9, 2009 16:55:46 GMT by cobblers
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Very profesional looking, good work!
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v smart, the hole should make all the difference.
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gasman
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Nice work there Cob. A few points to note from what I can remember when I was well into Hi-Fi / car / PA rig etc; What you'll usually find is that the impedance rating of drivers designed for the automotive market is a nominal 4 Ohms. Domestic amplifiers are best suited to 'seeing' 8 - 16 Ohms. You can configure your wiring on the new cabinets to best suit the amp driving them (Series iirc, maybe wrong ). Also that type of driver is probably designed to be more 'free-air' than enclosed in a box. These pointers may well contribute to the 'flatness' you're experiencing. I am by no means an authourity on such matters and others may well expand on what I've said - also apologies if I'm telling you stuff you already know but if not, it'll be well worth doing a bit of research along those lines, after all that effort you'll want them sounding the shizzzz
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oooh i like these.... have they got a shine on them after the paint
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Nice work there Cob. A few points to note from what I can remember when I was well into Hi-Fi / car / PA rig etc; What you'll usually find is that the impedance rating of drivers designed for the automotive market is a nominal 4 Ohms. Domestic amplifiers are best suited to 'seeing' 8 - 16 Ohms. You can configure your wiring on the new cabinets to best suit the amp driving them (Series iirc, maybe wrong ). Also that type of driver is probably designed to be more 'free-air' than enclosed in a box. These pointers may well contribute to the 'flatness' you're experiencing. I am by no means an authourity on such matters and others may well expand on what I've said - also apologies if I'm telling you stuff you already know but if not, it'll be well worth doing a bit of research along those lines, after all that effort you'll want them sounding the shizzzz Thanks for the info - It's mostly stuff I already knew, but chose to ignore really, I had a look in mind and didn't need brilliant performance, although they are about as good as I was expecting (perhaps better) I'm used to a lot more bass! That said, after a few hours use they seem to have freed up considerably and are a LOT better than when new. The impedance is OK - My amp is fine with 4 ohms, but from what spec I could get for the speakers (not much, I found some stuff for a similar but not exact model) they would prefer a box around 3 times as big as what they have, which won't help the bass response at all. I'm going to see what effect adding a port has (I've roughly calculated I'll want 40mm dia by 60mm long) but it'll be a lot of trial and error, and I really don't mind making a matching sub to sit under the desk to add some kick As for the paint, it is as shiny as it would be on a car if I feel like it, I'll give them a going over with some 1200 grit and then either buff them up or put a few coats of laquer on - I'm getting rid of the grilles (they look poo) and making a trim ring that covers the speaker screw holes leaving the cone exposed. Cheers for the comments
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Seth
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Great looking boxes! I hate making things lilke this as it always takes longer than I feel I want to spend on it so I end up with something half finished. Yours look fab though
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Great looking boxes! I hate making things lilke this as it always takes longer than I feel I want to spend on it so I end up with something half finished. Yours look fab though Tell me about it - I spend aaaages sanding them down, and to be honest they aren't quite as good as I'd have liked. There's a slight mark here and there where I could have done with a few more coats of high build, but I used 2x big cans and the shops were closed, so I had to make do. Same with the topcoat - I used all my paint and it don't think it's really on thick enough to flat it without risking breaking through, and the warmest I could get the garage (turned the tumble dryer on) was about 6c, so the finish is not amazing. Not terrible by any means, but not 100% perfect. It's 100x better than any painted MDF I've ever seen, but I wouldn't be happy with it if my bonnet was like it. Overall I'm quite pleased with them though, and as always I know for next time what to do to speed things along (Buy some MDF sealer for the end grain so save about 10 coats of primer, and use the DA sander to get the edges flush before trying to fill the lip with filler)
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Last Edit: Jan 7, 2009 20:45:00 GMT by cobblers
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g40jon
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they look great, i'd be reluctant to port them though, as when you add a port, the box size becomes more important than if you were to keep it as a sealed enclosure. did you run a bead of silicone around the edges on the inside of the box? its also a good idea to fill the box with foam or wadding as this improves the damping and should make them sound less flat
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they look great, i'd be reluctant to port them though, as when you add a port, the box size becomes more important than if you were to keep it as a sealed enclosure. did you run a bead of silicone around the edges on the inside of the box? its also a good idea to fill the box with foam or wadding as this improves the damping and should make them sound less flat They are screwed and glued - No need for silicon really as they fit together perfectly. I usually do seal boxes with caulk (they don't usually fit as tightly as these did!) but in this case they would h have held water even before I glued them, the shop cut all the sides millimetre perfect. I know what you mean about the port, but I'm going to fit it on the back so I can always block it off if it makes things worse. I do need to get hold of some wadding, I forgot to pick some up on my trip out before I made them! I think I'm fighting a losing battle to be honest though, so I'm already designing a little sub to sit under my desk. I'm gonna go with another cube, with the sub firing downwards, and the whole thing stood on 4 or 5 inch feet to give it some breathing room. Just need to keep an eye out for a cheap 12" sub somewhere.
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Wadding is essential if you haven't tuned the boxes to suit the Thiele and Small parameters of the speakers. You can use foam or glassfibre loft insulation. Porting it might make them sound worse if this is the case so the best you can do is add a port which tunes the box somewhere near (but not actually on) the resonant frequency of the speaker. Look for a box port tuning graph and pisk a port diameter to suit the size of the speaker. You could look up the spec of the speaker and it might give you some volumes, numbers and frequencies.
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Well I decided I wanted a sub, and found the very cheapest 12" woofer I could buy at work, £16 I got some more wood cut and set about building a box, then sanded the edges flush and rounded them over with the router: I then used a circle jig to make the recess for the sub to sit in: Which turned out nice: Then I completed it by cutting the hole all the way through (The trick is to not quite go all the way through, leave about 1mm, that way the waste that the router is screwed to doesn't fall into the box taking the router with it and messing up the hole) I gave the screwholes a coat of filler (Just normal automotive filler) While the filler dried, I had to do something about the tacky writing on the face of the sub: Paint renovator for the win 1 minute later: I then sanded the box flush with the DA, and then put a coat of MDF sealer on it. Followed by many coats of filler primer, more sanding and the topcoat: I also added some feet It all looks quite at home in my room And I'm pleased to say that it sounds great, even with my very simple crossover setup The speakers themselves cost: Infinity Component Speakers: £30 MDF cut to size: £9 Big box of screws: £3 Paint and filler £20 = £62 And the subwoofer cost: Mutant 12" Sub: £16 MDF cut to size: £9 MDF Sealer £3 More paint: £10 = £38 So all in they have set me back £100 on the nose, I'm really proud of how they have turned out!
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Great stuff. What is your crossover -a passive filter?
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Great stuff. What is your crossover -a passive filter? yes, its 2 0.3mH and 2 0.16mH Inductors in series for about 0.92mH total, just wired as a first order filter (just in line with the sub) It "should" give me a corner frequency of about 650hz, still too high but it was the best I could make with what I had in the garage at the time! I had planned making something a bit better over the next few days, but to be honest it sounds fine as it is.
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Jan 10, 2009 13:40:41 GMT
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Nice boxes there........ By experience(having filled ,sanded ,and top coated various 'light boxes ' for pupils at school) Ive found there are good and bad quality mdf. The best stuff has a smoother finish. Use MDF primer (a milky liquid ,which after a couple of coats seals the mdf).... The thicker stuff,rather like white primer ,Ive found isnt nearly as effective..........Even with the primer ,the poorer quality mdf ,just looks curse word!I recently used some waterproof MDF (greenish tinge to it),mdf primered it ,and still couldnt get a good finish. ............just my 2p !
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