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Thought the team who mate RC mag are only small so maybe this is the problem Well they've stopped using so many freelancers by the looks of thing (a number of the articles are written by the editoral staff),.. which I think is a bad thing. An editors job is to edit, not to write articles.
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The PPC team is tiny and produces a far better mag... Not really though,.. layout is poor, writing isn't brilliant and subject matter is only occasionally of interest.... Dave Walker is worth his weight in gold though...
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I do find though that some of the PPC stuff is a little too techy. There's loads of stuff about how to build cool bike-engined kit stuff in the fully fitted / furnished double garage adjacent to your 4-BD..... Retro Cars is good for inspiration, even if some of the content is a bit duff...
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I do find though that some of the PPC stuff is a little too techy. There's loads of stuff about how to build cool bike-engined kit stuff in the fully fitted / furnished double garage adjacent to your 4-BD..... Retro Cars is good for inspiration, even if some of the content is a bit duff... i have to say thoe that i think that ppc is a bit " cheap " it alway say's Build this car for £1000 or something like that but they then look pants ive just shelled out over £480 for a set of wilwood calipers and disks for the mg that would be half the build cost according to ppc i have to say that the mix in retro car mag is a fair mix, as regards not getting the show report out sooner ......I'm sure it will be in the next issue as they have to plan whet they put in months in advance i think
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Jul 13, 2005 10:10:11 GMT
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i have to say thoe that i think that ppc is a bit " cheap " it alway say's Build this car for £1000 or something like that but they then look pants ive just shelled out over £480 for a set of wilwood calipers and disks for the mg that would be half the build cost according to ppc i have to say that the mix in retro car mag is a fair mix, as regards not getting the show report out sooner ......I'm sure it will be in the next issue as they have to plan whet they put in months in advance i think Eh? PPC is about budget tinkering with cars, whats your point exactly about the wilwood callipers? If you wanna go out and spend 480 quid on some callipers, fair enough that’s up to you! The point of PPC is they would deliberately tell you how to upgrade your brakes without simply going out and splurging 500 quid, i.e. how to get some callipers off a bigger, modern car in the scrapyard and how to adapt them… You cant bash PPC cos you have chosen to splurge a load of money on some off-the-shelf callipers.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 13, 2005 10:13:56 GMT
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The PPC team is tiny and produces a far better mag... Not really though,.. layout is poor, writing isn't brilliant and subject matter is only occasionally of interest.... Dave Walker is worth his weight in gold though... Got the new issue? New look, couple more staff member, better-written articles, still the same good balance of tech-to-interest and, of course, Dave Walker. ...If only they could get Rave Talker in there too... *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Jul 13, 2005 10:30:05 GMT
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My copy hasent arrived yet Looking forward to reading about Charades I really have got my mind set on getting one now. Probably to do with our lazy striking Post Service (Northampton)
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Jul 13, 2005 10:38:15 GMT
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OK fair enough but i don't have the time to go down to a scrap yard and then start playing with bits to make then fit but what i meant was that the feel of the magazine ppc is cheep i even think the printing is of poor quality ( but thats my opinion ) every one can have there own idea i just think they always apear to do things on the cheap side as if they use the excause " its a old car so it don't have to look good just go " that all i have to say thoe that i think that ppc is a bit " cheap " it alway say's Build this car for £1000 or something like that but they then look pants ive just shelled out over £480 for a set of wilwood calipers and disks for the mg that would be half the build cost according to ppc i have to say that the mix in retro car mag is a fair mix, as regards not getting the show report out sooner ......I'm sure it will be in the next issue as they have to plan whet they put in months in advance i think Eh? PPC is about budget tinkering with cars, whats your point exactly about the wilwood callipers? If you wanna go out and spend 480 quid on some callipers, fair enough that’s up to you! The point of PPC is they would deliberately tell you how to upgrade your brakes without simply going out and splurging 500 quid, i.e. how to get some callipers off a bigger, modern car in the scrapyard and how to adapt them… You cant bash PPC cos you have chosen to splurge a load of money on some off-the-shelf callipers.
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Jul 13, 2005 10:48:03 GMT
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...If only they could get Rave Talker in there too... *n NooooOOOOOoOOO!! I used to hate that in the old CCC articles. One half full of interesting anecdotes and technical info, and the other just random jibberings... I never read that bit and always wished he'd expanded out the interesting stuff!
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Jul 13, 2005 11:32:57 GMT
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Hence the wink I've got to say he's one of the best technical writers around - no BS, writes at a very acceptable level irrespective of knowledge. *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Jul 13, 2005 11:38:26 GMT
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What i like about PPC is a good 75% of the mag is about attualy building cars. Most car mags are about drooling over other peoples cars and about dreaming over cars you could never own which i think makes for a pretty boring read! I only brought the first few copys of retro cars so i cant relly make comparisons but the whole idea of PPC is its about what the every day 'average joe' car builder can afford/do with average equipment. Sure it dosent cater for people who A. have no skills or B. have no facilites but thats because these people don't build cars! Its not being elitest just realistic. It most cirtanly does not require you have a multimillon pound workshop like CCC used to Personaly i feel the parts in PPC about head porting and suspension setup are a little too theoretical for my liking. Its all good info that you need to understand if you attemp that kind of thing but its just a little too technical for a magazine.
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Jul 13, 2005 11:48:24 GMT
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Well, I agree a bit with lifter that PPC does look a bit cheap, although it is vastly improved in the last issue, but from me the mix of inspiration/tech/theory is pretty much spot on. Defo my favourite mag by a long way. Retro cars on the other hand is all glossy pics of cars (many of which are of course superb) and pics of twin webers at a jaunty angle, very superficial, that Q&A about the Nissan Silvia sums the mag up perfectly if you ask me.
“I am interested in buying a Silvia” “Don’t bother, they’re all rusty” FFS. You can do better than that down the fugging pub man.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 13, 2005 11:52:57 GMT
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My real problem with Retro Cars is that it used to be superb and inspirational... so inspirational in fact that I started this every forum because of it.. Now,.. it no longer stimulates and inspires, it still has some interesting vehicles and I certainly wouldn't miss an issue, BUT it COULD be so much better! It once was! PPC is great for technical stuff, but equally their features don't inspire me to want to own the car they are featuring. So after buying a whole bunch of issues for the complete "how to build a turbo" feature, I realised my money would be better spent on a more indepth "how to build a turbo" book. Then one on suspension, engine tuning etc. etc. Oh if only there was enough money in publishing to make me want to quit my job and do a magazine....
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Jul 13, 2005 12:01:56 GMT
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i definately prefer PPC over retrocars, retro cars used to be awesome, then it all changed and now its a sh*t heap, i don't get the impression its written by retro or even car enthusiasts at all anymore. not to mention the fact its boring these days, personally in the latest issue, i can't find hardly anything of interest.
the bubble arch how-to, is good. then after that its mundane-ville. wooo another K series MG i was looking forward to the RX3 article, but i read it and found that it seemed to be poorly written. yuck
PPC anyday.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Jul 13, 2005 14:03:27 GMT
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Personally, I like Retro-Cars. I'm into Hot Rods and classic cars, and the mag seems to be like a middle ground for me, which I like. PPC is a bit hard to get round here (I would subscribe, but my wife would go ape- magazines seem to be taking over the house!), and they do tend to feature a lot of stuff that is later than I'm into, but the tech articles are first class. I'm showing my age here, but I remember Dave Walker occasionally writing for Hot Car back in the '70's, and I remember his Mk11 Cortina. Let's be honest, no mag can please everyone all the time.
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Last Edit: Jul 13, 2005 14:04:49 GMT by moggyman
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Jul 13, 2005 14:11:29 GMT
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I agree with all this, I actually prefer PPC to Retro Cars these days, even though it ued to be the other way round. I like the fact that PPC talks about doing all these things on a low budget and with a realistic level of skill and equipment, becuase I don't have all that much money, and I'm not a proffessional with a fully equipped workshop, just an eejit with a messy, wooden garage I put up next to the house that has some useful equipment in it but doesn't have everything that I mess about with Imps and Volvos in when I'm not too busy, so I want to hear about how you can do certain jobs on a motor with limited time, money and equipment, becuase it's relevant to me, whearas Retro Cars has gone down the road of big expensive projects that you couldn't even attempt unless you done that sort of thing for a living, and from what you lot say (I probably won't get the new Retro Cars for ages yet, I only just got the last one lately, whoever distributes those magazines really needs to get their act together!) they've adopted a lazy, elitist attitude not unlike that of a pub bore. "Silvias mate? Nah, they're sh*t, you want what everybody else's buying" is basically what they're saying. I mean what's that all about?! When did something like a bit of rust ever stop a real car enthusiast? If we were all like them then there'd be no Imps, because we'd all be afraid of the head gaskets and radiators, there'd be no Fords, because they rust a bit round the strut-tops and the headlights, there'd be no Italian cars because we'd all be afraid of rust and unreliability, in fact there would be no variety at all, because rather than people using their talent and creativity to overcome the problems a motor has to make a car their proud of, we'd all just be buying the same mainstream cliches and taking them to specialists to have the modified in the exact same way as everybody else for us, which of course isn't really customising at all, or worse still, we'd all end up in modern, dull, 1.6 diesel Euroboxes, becuase we'd be afraid that if we bought something cool and retro then we might have to do a little welding, or tinker with the engine, or think for ourselves. What kind of attitude's that for the magazine that made the retro scene what it is to adopt? It's certainly not the attitude of most of the real enthusiasts out here in the real world, who're not afraid to get our hands dirty!
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Jul 13, 2005 18:10:27 GMT
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I like them both, but think they both have weak editions occasionally. Love the 'our cars' bit but the rest depends what cars they're looking at (please not all fords, minis or MGs). I prefer the unusual cars.
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Jul 13, 2005 19:13:13 GMT
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I can see where you're coming from, they don't feature nearly enough Eastern Bloc classics, for example, which is odd considering PPC's Simon Goldsworthy is a big Soviet car perv! ;D ;D I've been waiting for a long time to see the later RWD Volvos considered classics by magazines too, I've always felt they're missing out big time by only liking Amazons and P1800s, there are so many other cool retro Volvos out there.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Nick
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Jul 13, 2005 19:19:57 GMT
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yeh ive noticed the lack of eastern bloc to....and to think in practical classics simon goldsworthy always managed to get his obsession across...haha. especially when they did features on winter warmers etc.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Jul 13, 2005 19:39:56 GMT
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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