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Oct 28, 2008 16:17:38 GMT
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Interesting game... I'm going to do some research and have a think.
I do have a question tho, the list seems a little arbitary and has some odd inclusions/exclusions.. for example, an RS2000 is allowed, but there are no capris on the list (RS3100 not a genuine sports production, but a clan crusader is?) Same with BMW.. you can have a M1, but not a CSL or a 2002.
Any idea why?
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in
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Oct 28, 2008 17:25:32 GMT
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good little challenge but i prefer to mod my cars so they hardly ever have the stock engine i'd have to run some sort of outlaw class like in drag racing ;D
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Well, um, when you go to that site, the second photo clearly shows a Mk1 Capri in competition. Why's it not on the list posted in the thread?
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If you want a 3K class, institute a claiming rule as between competitors. Bam, that tends to get everyone on a flat budget at or below the 3K real quick.
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924 ;D
Pick up a good 1 for less than 1500. Sell the interior +400. suspension 300 Brake upgrade 400. Leaves 1200 for engine work.
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Living the dream. Restore's classic car's for a living!
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bstardchild
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£3k Race car... challengebstardchild
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meh - monza not included.......... And with a 12v boat anchor up front it's gonna be last anyway
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i'd go for a BMW 2002, but they're not in the list.. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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1973 BMW 2002 Kompressor
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MG Midget cgi.ebay.co.uk/1978-MG-MIDGET-1500-GREEN_W0QQitemZ290269626976![](http://i23.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/17/6b/9259_1.JPG) thats £1500 gone. Sell the interior, wheels etc. Lets say that sees me with £250 back. So i have £1750 left so spend. visit frontline spridget spend ... £350 on front suspension kit £300 on exhaust £500 on type 9 ford box with close ratios £350 on 9" front disc setup and then £250 on engine work. quite a cheap little racer really
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filmidget
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My caged Mk2 Scirocco wouldn't be eligable being a 1982 car, so would have to be a Mk1 Rocco... they did rather well in the US you know: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/europlus/77sciroccotransam.jpg)
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£3k is just the start of it..... seriously Work out your entry fees for the championship Fuel, food accomodation Spares Tyres Consumables seriously how ever much money you earn, remember you can never AFFORD to go motor racing There is only one way to do it and thats on OPM ........ Other Peoples Money ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Dom "Ex race engineer, been there seen it done it - picked up the peices etc"
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Oct 29, 2008 10:17:42 GMT
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Dom "Ex race engineer, been there seen it done it - picked up the peices etc" Thats funny,.. because thats only true if you are going in at the top end in a really seriously competative car... rather than, you know, having fun. Its like saying you can't go drag racing unless you are top fuel.... People that competed in Slick 50 would tend to disagree with your statement. Also the fact that this particular HSCC championship encourages people to drive to and from the circuit in order to keep costs down shows that organisers are aware of the price of things. But carry on discouraging people from taking part in competative motorsport... it'll be best inthe long run because then one day we won't have to worry it any more.
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Oct 29, 2008 10:31:59 GMT
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Think I will stick with my lil Mazda RX2. Now thats having fun in mid pack. ;D
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Oct 29, 2008 10:33:07 GMT
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Don't think Dom's trying to put people off? Just being realistic about the further costs, which can be considerable, even for a 'cheaper' championship. And I imagine you can never quite afford racing in the same way not many earn quite enough money, or have quite enough garage space, or have (random hobby) quite a big enough tropical fish tank,etc, to be truly happy ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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'79 MG Midget 1500 - Still patiently awaiting attention '02 Vauxhall Astra 1.8 Elegance(!) - Better than you might think '03 Mazda MX5 - All new and shiny looking (thanks to Antony at Rust Republic) '09 Renault Clio - Needs to go.
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Oct 29, 2008 12:35:47 GMT
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Dom "Ex race engineer, been there seen it done it - picked up the peices etc" Thats funny,.. because thats only true if you are going in at the top end in a really seriously competative car... rather than, you know, having fun. Its like saying you can't go drag racing unless you are top fuel.... People that competed in Slick 50 would tend to disagree with your statement. Also the fact that this particular HSCC championship encourages people to drive to and from the circuit in order to keep costs down shows that organisers are aware of the price of things. But carry on discouraging people from taking part in competative motorsport... it'll be best inthe long run because then one day we won't have to worry it any more. Ok I`ll bite ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I was not discouraging people, I was merely pointing out that the Car is the thin end of the wedge, and that the real cost comes from Competing Tell me what the entry fees are PER Round for that chamionship and add it up ARDS Course Helmet Overalls Gloves Underwear Boots Race seat / Harness and extinguisher all In Date.... Thats a Grand straight away just on your basic saftey kit ........................... I worked in Motorsport from Grass roots right up to the Halcyon days of Proper Group C, from Historic F1 right through to the Factory Toyota Toms cars, I painted the Camel & Tamiya Lotus F1 cars, Nelson Piquets Crash helmets and spannered on Champion of Snett FF1600 cars right through to Paul Warwick (RIP) and Damon Hills F3 cars while they were driving them..... I ran the spares department of THE F-Ford spares supplier for years...... everything from champion of Mallory shoestring efforts to full factory teams would come to us We Ran Cars in the Cheapest "Slicks and Wings" catagory out there URS FF2000 championship.... which were cheap to run for Race cars...... Every single lap of Snetterton (2.3 miles at the time) cost over £12 when you factored in all the stuff I mentioned in the original post: Entry fees Fuel Tyres Accomodation Spares Damage test days Freshen at the end of the season etc thats the true cost you have to consider Now I said you could never afford to go racing.... As long as you accept that.... then you are free to get involved with it, just don't ever expect to be able to afford it.... Other things will suffer / be sacrificed along the way to pay for it... I`m only giving you the benefit of my experience.....do with that what you will..... Your £3000 racing is an admirable cause and it will be a lot of fun, but its akin to all those posts saying "Just drop a zetec in it" Way short of the detail thats actually going to be required.....
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Oct 29, 2008 12:45:52 GMT
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Your £3000 racing is an admirable cause and it will be a lot of fun, but its akin to all those posts saying "Just drop a zetec in it" Your moderately wealthy uncle is feeling generous this Christmas and has given you 3 grand... however it comes with some strings. He wants you to build/buy a circuit racing car. He'll additionally pay for a rollcage and safety devices, so no need to worry about that in your budget.I'm aware of all the other stuff Dom. Heaven knows I'm aware of it!! However look at some of the cars posted by people here.. I was talking 3k for an interesting car to turn into an historic racer.. some people have delivered cars here that could see you up and on the track for at least 2 or 3 races for the total budget I set for just the car without safety equpiment. It was an exercise in thought and dreaming... and inspiring people to at least think about these things. You know, there are people with less dissposable income than me out right now racing cars on a shoestring. I guess its about enjoying your car whatever you have, rather than spending so long trying to get it perfect and never actually having anything to enjoy.
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Oct 29, 2008 13:18:45 GMT
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Filmidg, the VW ad is the World's Most Misleading Advert Evah. By 1976, there was virtually nothing in its 2.0L class, and Trans Am for the big cars was well nigh dead too. It's like advertising, "The F-15, We Vanquished The Jamaican Air Force". BFD. My caged Mk2 Scirocco wouldn't be eligable being a 1982 car, so would have to be a Mk1 Rocco... they did rather well in the US you know: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/europlus/77sciroccotransam.jpg)
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Oct 29, 2008 13:25:33 GMT
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£3k is just the start of it..... seriously Although I am an inveterate irresponsible racing spender, hence lulled like a lemming right off the cliff several times, and I like Dave's concept.... I have to bring up another aspect which Dom didn't specifically mention, but I'll bet he knows all-too-well. That is, "proper" race cars are frequently WAY easier to repair and maintain from a shunt or a chassis fracture point of view. Racing stresses usually KILL lightly-prepped road cars. Spider cracking, buckling, pulled fastener points, bent shells, unibody crunches, etc etc, these are a lot more complex to fix and often more $$ than to fix, say, a FF when it shunts or needs major maintenance. Yes, you heard me say, it can be more $$ to fix a Sunny 140 from a 60MPH crash than a FF. There is something to be said that often the least expensive part of racing is GETTING THE CAR. Norm
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Last Edit: Oct 29, 2008 13:26:13 GMT by Team Blitz
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filmidget
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Oct 29, 2008 13:26:22 GMT
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It's like advertising "The F-15, We Vanquished The Jamaican Air Force". BFD. LOL - I did not know that ;D Still fancy one for the track though...
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'79 MG Midget 1500 - Still patiently awaiting attention '02 Vauxhall Astra 1.8 Elegance(!) - Better than you might think '03 Mazda MX5 - All new and shiny looking (thanks to Antony at Rust Republic) '09 Renault Clio - Needs to go.
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Oct 29, 2008 13:50:05 GMT
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It was an exercise in thought and dreaming... and inspiring people to at least think about these things. You know, there are people with less dissposable income than me out right now racing cars on a shoestring. I guess its about enjoying your car whatever you have, rather than spending so long trying to get it perfect and never actually having anything to enjoy. And thats admirable.... all I`m pointing out is that if you choose to go racing, then other stuff will suffer and it will cost a shed load more than your initial car cost.... That £12 per lap was without the cost of the car..... that was just a running cost..... I would love to go racing, but I have too many other things in my life that I don't want to give up in order to do it..... As for the enjoying your car bit, I am fully in favour of that..... Mine sits unworked on due to logistics, work and Real life getting in the way..... not for want of it being perfect...... ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Something you should know only too well.... And it is being built to be used, not to win any beauty contests, it`ll get built properly and thrashed properly....but working 150 miles away from my home/family with the car a further 50 miles away, sadly does not make for easy "Hobby time" Oh and I`d still like to know the entry fees for each round too ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Last Edit: Oct 29, 2008 13:54:38 GMT by CR500Dom
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Oct 29, 2008 15:24:32 GMT
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Mine sits unworked on due to logistics, work and Real life getting in the way..... not for want of it being perfect...... ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) I was referring to my car... but well.. maybe that says something more that you took it to mean yours ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) If you are going as far into something as racing cars then sure it is going to take up a lot of your time and money. Same is true of levelling up your involvement in any hobby... building a car and going to a handful of shows each year is the equivilent of track days in this scenario... building a show car and competing with it.. well thats another level. Same is true of playing video games -> competative video games playing. Skateboard -> Competition skateboarding. The point is to look at the barrier, often it is seen that you can't find a classic race car to race because its all Escorts and MGs and Ferraris and whatnot... but it isn't ... its all sorts of stuff... It also doesn't have to be hugely developed, there are championships out there (this isn't the only one) that you can take a pretty stock car out there, driven to the circuit (better if its trailered in case of prangs).. and you can compete... thats track day driving +1 .. It aint cheap... but it doesn't have to be masively expensive if you find the right series. If someone looks at what they are spending keeping 5-6 cars going over a year.. maybe one years worth of racing car would work out cheaper. Oh for cost : www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/2736393/You-don't-have-to-be-rich....html Entry for most events : £150-£160... so... about £30 more than most Javelin track days... sure its not as much on track time... but its doing it proper competative motorsport. That WAS in 2005.. but I know that Brands Hatch entry for 2008 is £220 for the Indy circuit races and that'll be one of the most expensive. So lets run through this cost wise (I'll consult the list of things I've had written down in order to get the Datto out on the track) : ARDS Roll Cage Seem Welding/Bracing* Race Suit + Nomex underwear (don't scrimp on safety) Gloves MSA/FIA Approved Helmet Fire Extinguisher Spare Wheels + Tyres for racing Track Days/Test And Tune days x2? I'm at my parents so don't have Demon Tweeks here, so whats that little shopping list work out at (This is where I'm hoping someone points me in cheaper directions as ignoring the ARDS my shopping list is larger than my pocket right now). As an exercise in how cheap can you get on the track.. lets virtually buy ourselves a Fiat X1/9 and kit it out, and pass our ARDS .. we'll assume £500 worth of repair on top of buying a reasonable one... We'll try and do as much of the work ourselves as we can. It sure isn't going to work out at 3K out on the track with us driving it,.. but lets see where it ends up. *Norm,.. yup stress is a killer for road->race cars..
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