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Aug 27, 2008 23:18:59 GMT
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My cousin was pulled on the motorway towing a site only diesel bowser (towable fuel tank) traffic INSPECTOR pulled him and said "don't know what you have done wrong but it is illegal" he went to see a solicitor when the letter came through with the 11 things he was being charged with, the solicitor said if the inspector "don't know what you have done but it is illegal" then how should a simple driver be expected to know! Got off with it all! Make sure you write down 'exactly' what he said, if he did not say what the problem is then there must be no problem! Good luck. As said before it does not take many to spoil the reputation of them all.
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I think you cant refuse a ticket from plod if its issued at the roadside, just because hes written out a ticket and placed it in your hand and "issued" it doesnt mean that youve accepted guilt. Its the same as recieving a notice of intended prosecution through the post for speeding. Theres plenty of scope for accepting guilt or contesting it.
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1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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Tim
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I think you cant refuse a ticket from plod if its issued at the roadside, just because hes written out a ticket and placed it in your hand and "issued" it doesnt mean that youve accepted guilt. Its the same as recieving a notice of intended prosecution through the post for speeding. Theres plenty of scope for accepting guilt or contesting it. Aye thats what i was led to believe - otherwise they could be intimating guilt by the use of threats
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mercmad
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Never Ever accept a traffic ticket. Your guilt may or may not be obvious but the law is supposed to allow you the right to contest any allegation. It's called the Goldenthread In 1934 ,after the aquittal of a Murderer Viscount Sankey made his famous "Golden thread" speech:
Throughout the web of the English Criminal Law one golden thread is always to be seen, that it is the duty of the prosecution to prove the prisoner's guilt subject to what I have already said as to the defence of insanity and subject also to any statutory exception. If, at the end of and on the whole of the case, there is a reasonable doubt, created by the evidence given by either the prosecution or the prisoner, as to whether the prisoner killed the deceased with a malicious intention, the prosecution has not made out the case and the prisoner is entitled to an acquittal. No matter what the charge or where the trial, the principle that the prosecution must prove the guilt of the prisoner is part of the common law of England and no attempt to whittle it down can be entertained. When dealing with a murder case the CROWN must prove (a) death as the result of a voluntary act of the accused and (b) malice of the accused.
What this means is " no matter how bad a crime you have comitted,you will always have right to defend yourself in a court of law.AND THE BURDEN OF PROOF LAYS WITH THE PROSECUTON ,YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE. By meekly accepting any ticket and paying the fine you are playing THEIR game and simply adding to unearned coffers.
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Many years ago I changed my driving style to cope with rising fuel prices; I have now reached the stage where I am contemplating keeping my eyes shut in order to lower wind resistance.
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Guess i'll watch out for number 1810 then if he's a bit of a mare, ive already had an argument with a local copper cos my car is bumperless, some of em are a bit off in their info ive found.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Davenger
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just been stopped in the estate Davenger
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Aug 28, 2008 10:09:41 GMT
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Maybe 18 is his IQ and 10 is his mental age
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MWF
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Aug 28, 2008 11:02:03 GMT
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I don't want to sound like a big soft chicken sandwich but...
While this officer did sound like he was quite rude we do have to bear into consideration the police are expected to know an awful lot these days about so many areas of the law. Perhaps this officer did genuinely worry Nightmares car is dangerous.
Whenever someone has a run in with the police it seems everyone wants them to take on the law but I worry about how easy and comfortable it is to say that on a forum. In my eyes the police as a force are pretty untouchable and I would never want to rile my local officers, especially in such a recognizable car. I've seen at least one person take the advice to fight the law from other forum members only to end up treated like he's his local towns most wanted.
I do have strong concerns about the amount of 'legal advice' given out on forums, while I know people are doing it out of decency because they want to help I worry how much of this advice valuable and correct. For instance on this thread one person has advised to never accept a ticket issued on the roadside while another has said doing say admits no guilt.
I sound like I'm wussing out I know, I just wonder about this gung ho response you often get on the net and if it can make things worse. A missunderstanding blows up into someone trying to defend their license and an officer trying to defend their job.
From what it sounds though Nightmare has done the right thing by accepting the ticket but contesting it by requesting advice on anything he's done wrong or his MOT inspector has missed.
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Aug 28, 2008 14:03:02 GMT
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I've just been pulled over in the GT!!! No reason stated, no crime committed!
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Aug 28, 2008 14:46:31 GMT
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I know this is a familiar refrain from me, but you do have to follow up on these kind of policemen, they are as bad as bent ones and need to be stomped on if you have the courage to do it.
Why? They undermine further the already low public confidence in the police. Policing only happens with public consent and that consent is rapidly being lost by idiots like this. If he gets away with it on you he'll just keep doing it to other people.
I hope that somewhere along the way this thread will be read by a serving police officer or two. If you are one of those officers then take a moment to consider this: the actions of one of your colleagues have just undermined your position a little bit further in the eyes of a load of decent law abiding people who happen to be in to cars. This means that your job just got a little bit more difficult. Now consider that this is happening everywhere to hundreds of other normal law abiding people who just happen to be the "wrong" age or colour or drive the "wrong" car and you start to see that you've lost an entire generation and the generation before that who should be on your side but instead see you as the Enemy. The power is in your hands to ensure that it doesn't happen that way but too few of you seem prepared to do anything about it. Think about that when the mob finally gets you and nobody comes to your aid.
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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Tim
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Aug 28, 2008 15:12:59 GMT
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I've just been pulled over in the GT!!! No reason stated, no crime committed!
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chevazon
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Aug 28, 2008 15:20:29 GMT
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"I hope that somewhere along the way this thread will be read by a serving police officer or two." Hello, look at the little picture !
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Aug 28, 2008 15:29:20 GMT
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Hello, look at the little picture ! That makes you look more like an extra from Heartbeat So, I don't know you, are you a serving cop then? If you are, what is the inside perspective on (let's be charitable here) "over-zealous" officers?
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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Davenger
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just been stopped in the estate Davenger
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Aug 28, 2008 15:32:27 GMT
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Could be even more charitable and call them over enthusiastic. ;D
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Tim
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Aug 28, 2008 15:38:48 GMT
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Hello, look at the little picture ! That makes you look more like an extra from Heartbeat So, I don't know you, are you a serving cop then? If you are, what is the inside perspective on (let's be charitable here) "over-zealous" officers? /plays twinkly harp music Was the officer a qualified vehicle examiner ? A lot of them aren`t these days. Did he take any photographs of the (alledged) offending articles to back up any further case. I would get the vehicle examined with an independant report and fight the ticket.(Should I be even suggesting this ?)
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Aug 28, 2008 15:44:50 GMT
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/plays twinkly harp music I saw his post and that's not quite what I was asking. I'm curious, from the inside are such officers seen as exemplary performers or annoying and counter-productive?
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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Aug 28, 2008 15:46:06 GMT
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Think about that when the mob finally gets you and nobody comes to your aid. Incidentally, if anyone is in any doubt that was a piece of purple prose and not an exhortation to any mobs
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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Aug 28, 2008 15:52:10 GMT
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Its not a huge battle of good Vs evil, like HeMan and Skeletor. The plod thought the Cortina was dangerous and issued a ticket. Its down to the accused to either defend it or accept it.
Like MWF, I too am a little wary of advice given out over forums. Its a bit like the "expert" down the pub. Is he a real expert? I have to say, I'm not an expert by any means but ive got a few motoring law books, thats it. Best thing to do is get solid advice!
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1987 Maestro 1.6 HL perkins diesel conversion 1986 Audi 100 Avant 1800cc on LPG 1979 Allegro Series 2 special 4 door 1500cc with vynil roof. IN BITS. HERITAGE ISSUES.
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chevazon
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Aug 28, 2008 15:55:49 GMT
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In the words of the great Oliver Hardy " I have nothing to say" Read into that what you like !
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Aug 28, 2008 15:58:24 GMT
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Fair enough, you can't blame me for asking
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"Jeremy Clarkson, a man we motor enthusiasts need on our side like Lewis Hamilton's F1 car needs a towing ball and a Sprite Musketeer" My motor
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