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Aug 20, 2008 13:50:23 GMT
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I don't think a track is necessarily the answer - the autotesting could be the idea. Where would you put the Autotest at Gaydon when you have >400 cars? Whilst we will look at other venues seriously, I'm loathed to move as we have a venue that we are very happy with from an organising, location and relationship point of view.
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Aug 20, 2008 14:00:39 GMT
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Still not voted! RR07 Saturday was fantastic I know that much so I may well vote Lydden. A track day wouldnt be as fun but as a spectator its good fun to watch ya mates batter round for or 3 sprints in whatever old retro they have fetched with em, and thats why it was good, I didn't get chance to go on (and the van was still ropey anyway) but it was still great entertainment. To those that mentioned the distance I personally don't mind for this event specially with convoy. I just don't want to make a vote that alienates others Oooop North. Yes its completely Awesomes that people from abroad and Ireland can make al the effort and cost to get over, and looking at the Dutch Diaries yesterday, it seems they get a hell of a lot out of their mega road and boat trip Certainlly shows them who don't come who are not far away how its done, though no prob there, not everyone wants to come to events or even meet us in real life Urrrgh LOLZ ;D Seriously Book me and I'll come, and yes I vote for either of the Southern stuff off that list. (EDIT - VOTED LYDDEN)
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bigrod
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Aug 20, 2008 14:01:44 GMT
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I haven't voted as they're all so far away from me that it makes little or no difference. If I were to go to any of them then it'll be a logistical nightmare as I'd have to include the family then we're talking two cars, (if I'm to bring anything worthwhile), and/or a trailer which in turn'll mean 1000 mile round trip at 50 - 60 MPH. I don't mean to sound like a whinge but is there nowhere further north? The Midlands/South Yorkshire would be ideal.
A track day would be a real deciding factor too.
JMTPW
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Aug 20, 2008 14:28:35 GMT
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Hold everything, what about Cadwell Park for a Gathering www.cadwellpark.org.uk/index.html1: Its got history (its over 70 years old) 2: the town is close by for the nightlife and a car parts shop, 3: its in the middle of the country, so good for most of us 4: the track goes through wooded sections 5: the toilets are good (you know it matters ) 6: the track looks like this...
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Aug 20, 2008 15:04:09 GMT
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Hold everything, what about Cadwell Park for a Gathering www.cadwellpark.org.uk/index.html1: Its got history (its over 70 years old) 2: the town is close by for the nightlife and a car parts shop, 3: its in the middle of the country, so good for most of us 4: the track goes through wooded sections 5: the toilets are good (you know it matters ) 6: the track looks like this... Not a hope in Hell for a weekend without a shedload of Cash
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filmidget
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Aug 20, 2008 15:07:28 GMT
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The thing is, if you build a car to be driven and only want to drive it,.. then go to trackdays? Or compete in actual championship sprints, hillclimbs or circuit racing, surely. 'Cos on my Christmas Wish List is a show where I can see cars close up while parked AND see those cars (if appropriate/the owner wants) used as well. We found out last year why no one has done a similar event to the one we did. Not just from an organisational point of view. Why is that? What was the problem(s)? Not meant confrontationally, just so can understand... As has been stated elsewhere, please don't take these questions and suggestions as criticism or complaining. I would like to organise my Wish List show, but I am damn sure it wouldn't be as good a job as you/your team can and have done, and to have that show but with the RR 'vibe' would be far preferable anyway. (edit for quote incompetance)
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Last Edit: Aug 20, 2008 15:08:03 GMT by filmidget
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Aug 20, 2008 15:10:06 GMT
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Not a hope in Hell for a weekend without a shedload of Cash One half of the reason it is unlikely we'll ever go back to a circuit. The other half being they aren't really set up for shows. It occured to us that we may make a weekend of it at a venue and see if someone independant to us wanted to do something on the Saturday at a near by venue. Means we can concentrate on doing a great show, people who want to show and go can do the track/whatever action. At the end of the day we're realising we aren't going to please everyone, so we have to make sure we are happy first and foremost........ sounds a bit like this place.
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Aug 20, 2008 15:14:06 GMT
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ok, back to liking lydden hill then
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Aug 20, 2008 15:50:25 GMT
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Not a hope in Hell for a weekend without a shedload of Cash One half of the reason it is unlikely we'll ever go back to a circuit. The other half being they aren't really set up for shows. It occured to us that we may make a weekend of it at a venue and see if someone independant to us wanted to do something on the Saturday at a near by venue. Means we can concentrate on doing a great show, people who want to show and go can do the track/whatever action. At the end of the day we're realising we aren't going to please everyone, so we have to make sure we are happy first and foremost........ sounds a bit like this place. Thats totally understood, there are a lot of Airfields and the like used for "Track days" etc Your suggestion of doing it in conjunction with someone else organising something on the Saturday is great.... someone like "Book a Track" or the other one that advertises in PPC are pretty retro friendly and have quite a selection of alternative Track type venues to choose from as well. Please don`t take any of what I`m saying as a critisism, you asked for opinions /preferences which is what I have offered, I enjoyed RR07 immensely and am sure I would have enjoyed RR08, but circumstances and real life got in the way, I appreciate what you, Keefy and all the other behind the scenes helpers do both for the show and on here........ it is still my preferred place to "Hang out online" so to speak
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rysz
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Aug 20, 2008 15:51:22 GMT
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If you can get camping somewhere near, Haynes looks better when you look overhead... ;D Rysz.
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PhoenixCapri
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RR Gathering 09 Venue PollPhoenixCapri
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Aug 20, 2008 16:14:18 GMT
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I think the fact is that a 'near by' track event doesn't bring in as many people as having everything under one roof, its a convenience thing as much as a feeling your missing out on one part by choosing to go to another. I'll admit that if you want track action in your classic then going to a trackday (one of the new bread of classic only ones for example) should theoretically tick the boxes - but having done that and having driven at RR07 I can confidently say it doesn't. The reason so many people want to see a return to RR07 is that it combined the people of RR with the cars of RR in a way that just cannot be matched by a static show alone, no matter how good the banter is. You've just got to look at how few photos and story threads there are running about RRG08 compared to RR07 to see the difference in excitment it created. However I'm a total realist and am pretty sure that arranging another RR07 is probably near impossible without people devoting they're lives to it even more than last/this year! Anything that is put on will be good, I think we all just like the sound and excitement of fast moving retros a bit too much, plus it lead to loads of pub banter for me which is a major plus I think I might have a look into what would be needed for a RRT (Retro Rides Track) show, as I'm sure - with support via the forum for advertisement if you would be open to that Hotwire? and maybe some Retro Cars advertisement - how much did it cost for RRG?, it could be a good success and take away the need for such action at RRG09 - but I truely feel separating the two parts will in effect be driving a stake between those into action, and those into shine, and probably make a lot of those inbetween either have to find cash for 2 events or choose one - thus limiting numbers (and success?) of either. Hotwire, at least you can be proud that the reason this thread has gone in this direction is that RR07 broke the mold for a classic car show and will I think always be remembered by people as one of the best shows they ever went to - getting even 1/2 close to this again in the future would be a major success! And like I've said in the past, if you want help I'm more than happy to lend a hand at whatever
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Aug 20, 2008 16:59:30 GMT
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I've voted for Gaydon (whoever he is ), as its the nearest to me of the options given, plus my accomodation is in nearby Leamington as I don't do camping, and i'm not bothered about track action. However I will turn up at whatever venue is chosen, so I'm happy to go with the flow, and I understand why some would like to go somewhere different and do something different to this year.
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RR Gathering 09 Venue PollBenzBoy
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Aug 20, 2008 17:39:12 GMT
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It occured to us that we may make a weekend of it at a venue and see if someone independant to us wanted to do something on the Saturday at a near by venue. Means we can concentrate on doing a great show, people who want to show and go can do the track/whatever action. At the end of the day we're realising we aren't going to please everyone, so we have to make sure we are happy first and foremost........ sounds a bit like this place. That sort of happened at RRG08 - a lot of people went to the Pod on the Saturday. I know it's not a circuit, but it worked well for those who went. I wish I could have gone too but I was skint and suffering from Friday's excesses. That seems like a good compromise to be honest - if it's too expensive / logistically horrific to hold an event at a circuit, at least with a venue nearby people can have the best of both worlds.
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tigran
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Aug 20, 2008 17:55:36 GMT
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Just a quick one - if the show is at lydden will there be action on track then?
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RR Gathering 09 Venue PollRobinxr4i
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Aug 20, 2008 17:58:58 GMT
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It's all gravy, to me! All I know is no matter where it is I will crawl over broken glass to make it
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Aug 20, 2008 18:24:14 GMT
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I really don't give a monkeys where its held, have car will travel. but I am aware that I'm fortunate enough to not be restricted by time, money or commitments and constraints of family life etc. and my cars rather economical one thing about the weekend just gone is the that the lack of action made the weekend much more relaxed and less "timed" which allowed a lot of intergration and petrolhead banter. I met approximatley ten times the ammount of people this year compared to last. I thinks its informal nature helped a lot too. a small event like a sprint or autotest would be great and considerably less hassle than the "real deal". I still don't think its essential, and certainly not essential for me. one thing to add on the curborough note- me and few others went to the hot rod springnats this year. the event is held at drayton manor and this time the cruise went to curborough instead of the usual pub and band theme. this was a good idea and well placed in here as this gives you three days camping, a show and shine field and less than half hours drive took us to a great sprint track day. I bring it up because the format works well and you can always dissapear the kids and wifey into the theme park for the day two pence thrown down, bring it on! maybe crail or knockhill or snetterton or tye croes or farmer giles' pig sty for all I care
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Aug 20, 2008 19:37:40 GMT
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don't fall off the edge lol 8)
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Aug 20, 2008 21:58:29 GMT
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i would go with haynes don't they have a track anyway ??
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I think the fact is that a 'near by' track event doesn't bring in as many people as having everything under one roof, its a convenience thing as much as a feeling your missing out on one part by choosing to go to another. I'll admit that if you want track action in your classic then going to a trackday (one of the new bread of classic only ones for example) should theoretically tick the boxes - but having done that and having driven at RR07 I can confidently say it doesn't. The reason so many people want to see a return to RR07 is that it combined the people of RR with the cars of RR in a way that just cannot be matched by a static show alone, no matter how good the banter is. You've just got to look at how few photos and story threads there are running about RRG08 compared to RR07 to see the difference in excitment it created. However I'm a total realist and am pretty sure that arranging another RR07 is probably near impossible without people devoting they're lives to it even more than last/this year! Anything that is put on will be good, I think we all just like the sound and excitement of fast moving retros a bit too much, plus it lead to loads of pub banter for me which is a major plus I think I might have a look into what would be needed for a RRT (Retro Rides Track) show, as I'm sure - with support via the forum for advertisement if you would be open to that Hotwire? and maybe some Retro Cars advertisement - how much did it cost for RRG?, it could be a good success and take away the need for such action at RRG09 - but I truely feel separating the two parts will in effect be driving a stake between those into action, and those into shine, and probably make a lot of those inbetween either have to find cash for 2 events or choose one - thus limiting numbers (and success?) of either. Hotwire, at least you can be proud that the reason this thread has gone in this direction is that RR07 broke the mold for a classic car show and will I think always be remembered by people as one of the best shows they ever went to - getting even 1/2 close to this again in the future would be a major success! And like I've said in the past, if you want help I'm more than happy to lend a hand at whatever I have to agree with pretty much all of that. I liked both events for the different feel of them, but having something like the gathering each year wouldn't tempt me to return, as fun as it was. RR07 was so damned good that I guess it's like releasing an absolute killer album - hard to follow up.
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I would go with haynes don't they have a track anyway ?? Yes it does. Thanks for the feedback everyone.
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