sowen
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Jul 21, 2018 20:29:05 GMT
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FORUM VICTORY! You're bringing this to RRG right? Can't wait to see it! That's the plan. Almost every evening and weekend has been dedicated to tinkering and tweaking the P6 over the last few months. Getting a bit tired now but the point of mot-readiness is graspably close now Excellent Really must get around to swapping my ancient bimetallic strip extra air valve (Ex K-Jet GTI) for one of these proper, active ones as the Vitesse needs a bit of help in the idle department with the wilder cam....... especially when we go to the mountains. Nick I used to have one of those bi-metallic extra air valves on an old Rover V8. It worked, and was never trouble like so many people claim they are, so was probably a rare good one? I prefer having proper control of the cold fast idle, be it manually by choke lever or something integrated into the ecu. Been tinkering with a few bits on the P6 today, and got it off of the ramps so all four wheels are on the ground again. Engine still idles nicely and the power steering is finally bled, no notchiness anymore, and not overly light. Now I'm wondering if it'll actually go over the speed humps on some of the local main roads, I don't mind a small scrape, but not sure if it will be completely dragging itself across them now? The new airdam is on with the rubber facing glued in place. Not sure if I should trim half inch off the bottom, but it's level with the arb, sump and exhaust! I do have a stash of original Rover factory spring spacers so may pop them in to lift the front a little bit? It does sit impressively low and still has some suspension travel to go
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Jul 21, 2018 21:01:05 GMT
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That is low!!!
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sowen
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Jul 27, 2018 16:23:55 GMT
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badass. Very much looking forward to seeing this at RRG.
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1987 Supercharged BMW R1150 Citroen 2cv Hillclimb Monster 1995 Renault Master Mk1 Race Transporter 1994 Mazda MX5 Mk1 / NA Road Going Class Hillclimber 1991 UMM Alter II Crew Cab OM606 SuperTurbo Diesel MegaUMM Overlander 1992 UMM Alter II Station Wagon 1980 UMM Cournil - survivor - resto project 1979 Lomax 224 2014 VW T5.1 Transporter Kombi Highline
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sowen
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badass. Very much looking forward to seeing this at RRG. Looking forward to taking it there again! I think the last time was at Prescott? Couldn't resist a little top down photo opportunity, damn my P6 is hot Little more progress accomplished. I needed to do a rough tune on the Megasquirt and as it isn't ready for the road the next best thing was block up the rear wheels, and run it in gear loading the engine up with the brakes. What could possibly go wrong? Success! The fuel map was backed off and smoothed out which has made the engine a lot smoother. I was able to hold 5psi on the brakes, but after a few runs they were merrily smoking away and stunk for days With a week gone by after painting the doors all of the trim has been refitted, and it's looking like a proper car again One last minute addition was a front recovery point. Going by how reliably unreliable the P6 has been on varying fuel issues and how I'm starting out with a completely untested engine, ecu setup and fuel system I'm expecting the worst! In the last photos it may become apparent that the P6 is frighteningly close to the Queen's highway.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And this morning made it's way to my local mot station.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Which was a fail . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I lie it passed I drove it straight to work, it cruised nicely, accelerated nicely, brakes are improving after the long lay up, steering was spot on, it just went too well! Of course something had to break, and there appears to be a fuelling issue under boost leading to a sudden cut in power on hard throttle. I'm thinking it's the fuel pump maybe being weak, or something else causing a loss of fuel pressure as the afr reads lean just before it cuts? Light and mid throttle is fine. I have another fuel pump I can try, and doing that I'd like to fix the fuel gauge sender since that's just reading empty on a near full tank!
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Excellent work, I had similar issues and found that the sender unit in the tank had a little filter sock over the end, I think the pump was drawing too much and sucking this to collapse... removed that and now just relying on inline filters. Also swapped out to bosch and facet pumps which worked much better than the cheap chinese stuff I had in there before.
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1987 Supercharged BMW R1150 Citroen 2cv Hillclimb Monster 1995 Renault Master Mk1 Race Transporter 1994 Mazda MX5 Mk1 / NA Road Going Class Hillclimber 1991 UMM Alter II Crew Cab OM606 SuperTurbo Diesel MegaUMM Overlander 1992 UMM Alter II Station Wagon 1980 UMM Cournil - survivor - resto project 1979 Lomax 224 2014 VW T5.1 Transporter Kombi Highline
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Nice work on the MOT pass, the car is looking absolutely spot on!
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sowen
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Excellent work, I had similar issues and found that the sender unit in the tank had a little filter sock over the end, I think the pump was drawing too much and sucking this to collapse... removed that and now just relying on inline filters. Also swapped out to bosch and facet pumps which worked much better than the cheap chinese stuff I had in there before. I remade the entire fuel system to try to avoid this issue returning. From the base of the tank there's two AN8 feeds down to a collector/reservoir which feeds a Bosch 044 pump, and then that runs AN6 hose to the fuel rail. The return line goes into the original fuel sender which has been gutted of the tiny restrictive original two feeds and reserve filter. On paper that should provide plenty of unrestricted fuel to the pump, and I know there's a lot of fuel in the tank even though the gauge says empty! The tank should've been clean when it went back together, although there is no separate fuel filter fitted yet. Nice work on the MOT pass, the car is looking absolutely spot on! Looks great from a distance! Needs to go in the garage and have the front wings resprayed to the same shade as the rest and the whole car flatted down ready for another coat or two of lacquer
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sowen
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Well that's about 140miles done in the P6 now, and I think I've found the source of the only fault so far of the engine feeling like it's cutting out under load after 20 minutes driving. I fitted a fuel pressure gauge to the fuel rail feed, and it appears the fuel pump is failing when it gets warm, and cannot pump enough fuel to maintain pressure so it leans out under load. After 40 minutes the fuel pressure constantly fluctuates 2-4psi and struggles to maintain 40psi pressure. I don't think the fuel is getting particularly warm, though I can feel the heat from the axle rising up through the floor underneath the tank, but the tank is still relatively cool. In a way this is the preferable fault, as it appears to be a mechanical fault which I can see and touch, and not something buried in the ecu that I don't understand! Now I need to drain the tank, replace the pump with my spare which I'd already bought, and fix the sender so I know how much fuel I've got to play with...
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Good find, nice easy fix. Look forward to seeing it at the Gathering.
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Before you get mucky....... tank vent? IS there one? Is it clear?
Does the pump make any odd noises? If it's changing to harsh buzz or sounds like it's pumping gravel - that's cavitation.
Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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sowen
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Good find, nice easy fix. Look forward to seeing it at the Gathering. I hope I'm right, could be hot fuel which would be harder to fix, and it doesn't look like a power supply problem to the pump either? Before you get mucky....... tank vent? IS there one? Is it clear? Does the pump make any odd noises? If it's changing to harsh buzz or sounds like it's pumping gravel - that's cavitation. Nick Fuel tank vent [cough cough bleurgh] is clear, no odd noises that I could hear, but the engine is loud and the exhaust tailpipe in the vicinity which masks the problem. Even the pre-start prime sounds normal when hot. I did have cavitation previously when I was running a swirl pot fed from the standard fuel lines in the sender, and the 044 pump that was on there has been re-used so I'm wondering if I badgered it back then and it was also contributing to the fuelling issues I used to have? On a positive now the tank is drained I've found the cause of the non-working fuel gauge, the float had sunk! Luckily I have a spare and that's now in the tank
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I demand a video when its running right .
You owe us that , you can't make such a filthy car and not provide one .
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sowen
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I demand a video when its running right . You owe us that , you can't make such a filthy car and not provide one . I've recently 'invested' in a GoPro camera, and videos will come when it's running better. I also want it to check some things underneath on the suspension as I'd like to know what it's doing under there for ideas on further mods....
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Excellent news re the MOT pass and glad that the fettling seems to be going well.
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sowen
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Aug 14, 2018 20:11:19 GMT
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Excellent news re the MOT pass and glad that the fettling seems to be going well. Fettling will be an ongoing job for possibly years to come. After putting a few hundred miles on it I'm already building a new list of jobs that need doing! whilst jacking it up to change the fuel pump I noticed that the front arb's do a good job of keeping the body fairly level! New pump has a larger body and uses screw fittings so no more jubilee clamps on rubber hoses I've now pressed it into daily driver service for the week until RRG to iron out any last minute major faults, racking up about 60 miles every day. It's a damn good motorway cruiser sitting at 70mph doing 2100rpm I got 'papped' entering a local car meet on the weekend, much better angle that shows off the modified lines of my P6 with a far better camera than my little point and click camera I need to start looking into uprating the clutch soon, it can't quite handle enthusiastic take off's anymore
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2018 20:14:53 GMT by sowen
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Aug 14, 2018 20:55:18 GMT
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The fun you could have tearing up behind BMWS and Audis on a commute ...
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Fuel system behaving ok now?
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MiataMark
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It's a trivial thing but re the number plate lights, could you make the spacers angled to stop white light showing?
Great car and the blue really suits it.
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1990 Mazda MX-52012 BMW 118i (170bhp) - white appliance 2011 Land Rover Freelander 2 TD4 2003 Land Rover Discovery II TD52007 Alfa Romeo 159 Sportwagon JTDm
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ChasR
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Aug 16, 2018 10:33:13 GMT
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Are you bringing this down tonight to Southam?
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