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Stirred up a nice hornets nest here, agree about the pot holes and general state of the roads, its a shocker and we are well ripped off compared to everywhere else. But I still think its a bit much to crash on a roundabout which is notoriously slippy, then say it was not your fault. Anyway, where is this notoriously slippy roundabout? If it is on a quiet bit of road we could have some rear wheel drive fun?
All abuse welcomed.
Russell
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Cheers guys some good advice and thanks for your most unhelpful comments Russell. If you read my original post properly you would note that I was following and witnessed everything. It was most certainly not her fault as she was going so slowly hence the action I am taking. Also she hasn't yet moved to the area and so was unaware of its reputation.
No sign of any diesel on the road at all and this roundabout is permanently slippy when wet. I did go back and take a few vids when it was curse word it down and it is horrendous, cars constantly wheel spinning onto and off the roundabout. I am sure if I wait there long enough I will witness another accident. Even the copper (name and number noted) said it is really bad especially when he is on a blues and twos call out.
I will let you know if I get anywhere.
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Last Edit: Jul 1, 2008 11:42:49 GMT by danblez
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I must stick up for Russell on this one, if a roundabout is notorious (granted we now know she didnt know about it... but you did) you go incredibly slow around it.... There is little common sense in having prior warning/knowledge of a dangerous roundabout and still going at it as you would a normal roundabout, or not telling your missus about it.. And to note (and i hate taking this view... the insurance person view) that no-one else crashed in the time you were there, so she must have done something different! That said, Yes i reckon the council should sort it out... but the logic behind prior knowledge and then blaming the council is flawed!
Edd
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I must stick up for Russell on this one, if a roundabout is notorious (granted we now know she didnt know about it... but you did) you go incredibly slow around it.... There is little common sense in having prior warning/knowledge of a dangerous roundabout and still going at it as you would a normal roundabout, or not telling your missus about it.. And to note (and I hate taking this view... the insurance person view) that no-one else crashed in the time you were there, so she must have done something different! That said, Yes I reckon the council should sort it out... but the logic behind prior knowledge and then blaming the council is flawed! Edd I do apologise, both myself and girlfriend are completely in the wrong, I bow down to your superior knowledge and common sense I must remember to make a note of all dodgy road surfaces, junctions, roundabouts, and print it out so she can stick it to her windscreen for when she moves up here.
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Last Edit: Jul 1, 2008 12:59:23 GMT by danblez
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mattt
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I have to agree with the 'unhelpful' comments. roads are sometimes slippery, some much more than others which unfortunately means some people are gonna get caught out from time to time:(
just gotta accept that wibblepoo happens!
what car was involved? a 15mph kerb strike shouldn't bend anyhting major.
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I do apologise, both myself and girlfriend are completely in the wrong... Don't let your insurance company see that post or they'll stiff you good style.
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I know of a similar roundabout in these parts, first got on my radar when my brother managed an apparently colossal slide in his Prelude, which is hardly what you call driven from the rear. It's at its worst when you get the super low-grip slime when it rains after a few days of dry weather. If I was in a rush and wasn't aware of it I'd certainly get uncomfortably close to the kerb.
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Right then, I work in a Highways department, but not maintenance, so don't shout at me!!
There is a minimum skid resistance (PSV or polished stone value) that must be met on all roads. There are different limits for different type of roads/junctions, which is why you see the beige or red high friction stuff at traffic lights and pedesrian crossings etc. Basically, it is the Highway Authority's responsibility to ensure that these minimum levels are met. A road surface will 'polish' with use causing a slippery surface.
The authority must ensure that a road is of 'sufficient utility' for it's purpose, the same principle applies to potholes. If someone was killed as a result of a road defect (and believe me, the police accident investigators cover everything) then the council is liable for corporate manslaughter.
Unfortunately, unless the council is very helpful, the only way of proving the lack of skid resistance is to get a professional survey which costs £££££££.
Diesel spills should be dealt with within an hour or so of reporting.
If a big pothole is to blame, take pictures quickly and put a known sized item (fag packet, ruler or suchlike) in the hole so that the size and depth can be gauged.
Hope that helps
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Right then, I work in a Highways department, EVERYONE, GET HIM!
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Sorry but the "if you knew if was notoriously slippy you should of gone slower" argument is complete tosh. Its only 'notoriously slipply' to locals, who as it happens have had to find out the hard way. To anyone else from outside the area, or who doesnt use that route very often, its just 'a wet roundabout' and will therefore be treated like any other 'wet roundabout'. If there was no diesel down and its the tarmac thats an issue, then yes its the councils fault, and yes I hate the attitude of "its not my fault" but that doesnt mean its ALWAYS my fault. Sorry rant over
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