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Jun 30, 2008 15:32:03 GMT
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Last week I was following the misses who was driving the daily when she went round a roundabout that is notoriously slippy. It had been raining ealrlier in the day and the road was still wet when she entered the roundabout at no more than 15-20 mph, I witnessed the car just slide, there was nothing she could do apart from prey she didnt hit the lampost which had been hit a dozen times before ( not by her ). The locked up wheels and bouncing up the high kerb left what looked like a fairly shagged front suspension and a knackered front wing. It didnt look too bad but apparently there is 3ks worth of damage and so is easily written off. I phoned the council that day and put a complaint in and have the address of the finance department to put a claim in but I was wondering if anyone had ever successfully claimed anything from the council? I can't believe something hasn't been done about this roundabout before as there must be signs of at leat 10+ accidents having happening there in the last 6 months.
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tri
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Jun 30, 2008 16:15:41 GMT
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Don't know really. My first car was written off, as a pothole caused a blowout just before a 100 degree(ish) bend which was littered with loose gravel. Highways Agency just said it's my responsibility to read the road better, had to go on my insurance, and not even an apology.
Won Crash of the Month in Redline though, so not all bad.
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I forgot how to retro...
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Jun 30, 2008 16:41:41 GMT
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Don't quote me but I recall reading somewhere as long as at least one other person has officially complained (or claimed) to (from) the council then they have to address the problem. I'd imagine a lawyer would be your best bet here but as tri said the council may counter that she should have taken more care, especially if you told them the road was notorious. I hope you get somewhere from it, pretty annoying that these kinds of things happen and maybe, just maybe, it'll kick the council's bottom into doing something about the road.
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Corsa Apology Champion 2014.
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Jun 30, 2008 17:08:16 GMT
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There was a thing on a "Tonight with Trevor McDonut" type program about road surfacing where they were using a quicker easier to use repair/resurface material that is harderwearing, but like a skidpan even when just damp.
Might be worth a google to see if you can find out what that is. Apparently it has been implicated in the deaths of a couple of bikers and drivers in the past.
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lebowski
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Jun 30, 2008 17:09:38 GMT
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Is this the roundabout in Skelmersdale, Near Pimbo? It was nicknamed the roundabout of doom by my friend and I. And yes, it is bizarrely slippery.
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Jun 30, 2008 17:21:31 GMT
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we have the magic roundabout in durham , that has no grip at all in the wet
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Odin
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Jun 30, 2008 17:36:30 GMT
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My sister successfully claimed (whether or not for the full repair bill I don't know) off the council when she hit a pothole. It was massive and full of water, so the depth wasn't apparent.
It did a load of suspension damage to her Defender though, so it wasn't a shallow one. I think several other people also hit it the same day and there had been previous complaints about it.
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B-8-D
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Jun 30, 2008 17:56:39 GMT
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i hate this type of thing.. roads are curse word round here wrecking suspension and all the salt they put on the roads causing my cars to rot!! ok just a little rant sorry! but seriously though....
if we as car owners/drivers are required by law to keep our cars in a "ROADWORTHY CONDITION" then surely the council or whoever should be bound by law to keep the roads in a "CARWORTHY CONDITION" I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this??
i wish u the best with a compensation payout i hope u get it sorted.. si
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Jun 30, 2008 18:25:38 GMT
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Two of my mates and my dad have stacked or damaged their cars/bikes due to poor road maintenance. My dad hit a pothole, must have been at least 8 inches deep! in his company Honda accord, threw me out of my seat ;D and damaged both nearside wheels. A mate of mine was driving his discovery down a narrow country lane, a steepish hill that had just been resurfaced with loose chippings but no warning signs, a school bus was coming the other and he didn't have a hope in hell! Made even worse when the police car turned up and ended up going into the back of him lol Another mate low-sided his bike on a corner when he hit 2 inch deep gravel that right in the middle of the lane! We think he was out cold for ten minutes in the ditch before he came to, no stopped even with a bike smashed up on the verge In all cases the council couldn't have cared less, it took a good few months to sort the potholes out, the police put warning signs up in the end as no one had swept the lane but the corner that me mate crashed his bike is still the same and getting worse! IMO its despicable and completely avoidable if only someone in the council gave a sh!t. You can live in hope though
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Faster. Faster. Until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.
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Jun 30, 2008 18:56:37 GMT
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To be fair its probably caused by diesel spilled from overfilled fuel tanks on lorries, they go round a corner and the fuel sloshes out. Responsible for many a bikers end.
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Jun 30, 2008 20:07:45 GMT
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You're more likely to get an invoice from the Highways Dept. for damage to their property than you are a compensation claim payout.
My ex got run off the road on a roundabout, by a LHD council owned/operated road sweeper. She was pushed into the kerb and buckled 1 section of the black metal railings.
2 weeks later... bill for £500 through the door for "rectification and emergency make-safe repairs"... caused by THEIR truck!
Best of British with it...
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1984 Mk2 Fiesta XR2 - Stored 1990 XR3i SE500 Cabrio - Project 1990 Mk4 Escort estate 1.3L - Daily drive/For Sale
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Mike
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Jun 30, 2008 20:12:39 GMT
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There is a roundabout on the A46 around Lincoln that regularly gets lorries tipping over on it, and they always seem to blame the road surface... What, is it too grippy? All that friction tipping their lorries? Doubt it. Anyway, I only bring that up because the council haven't done anything about it, nor will they, because if anyone crashes and blames the road surface they will just argue they were driving too fast. I'm not saying that is the case here, merely that the council will always do the bare minimum to maintain roads or correct problems with them. They'll also do their best to ignore you if you complain.
Danblez: Like other people have said, sounds like there might be diesel spilled on the road, i'd still stick a claim in to the council though, however unlikely it seems, you never know, it might work.
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Jun 30, 2008 20:19:49 GMT
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I successfully claimed for a heavily damaged alloy caused by a crater like pot hole. It was a wet day so the pothole was full of water and almost invissible!
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Jun 30, 2008 21:15:50 GMT
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If it is notoriously slippy, then she should have predicted that and not crashed. I hate this it was someone elses fault thing.
I know its a rant, but if you crash because you run out of grip then I think its hard to blame someone else.
Rant over.
Russell
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tri
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Jun 30, 2008 21:23:12 GMT
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^Someone works for highways
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I forgot how to retro...
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Jun 30, 2008 21:26:38 GMT
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To be fair its probably caused by diesel spilled from overfilled fuel tanks on lorries, they go round a corner and the fuel sloshes out. Diesel on a roundabout caused me to get the backend out on my old Corrado... Take pictures of the roundabout, or better still video cars going round it in the wet and see how many slide about. Get evidence of the scary conditions. I've heard councils fixing problems before claims can be made and them saying stuff like 'There's no potholes here. it's always been like this'
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Jun 30, 2008 21:28:25 GMT
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Diesel on a roundabout caused me to have a four-wheel drift in a Subaru Impreza non-turbo! Nasty stuff.
Evidence is what's needed. Otherwise, they're just going to say that there is no issue. Perhaps a letter in the local newspaper suggesting that people who've had a problem should write to the council?
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Jun 30, 2008 21:55:33 GMT
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If it is notoriously slippy, then she should have predicted that and not crashed. I hate this it was someone elses fault thing. I know its a rant, but if you crash because you run out of grip then I think its hard to blame someone else. Rant over. Russell New rant: "If it is notoriously slippy"... what???!!!! so if the roads are poorly maintained then we're just supposed to live with it and drive in an over compensatory careful manner to allow the councils to abdicate responsibility for keeping them in a fit state with, (and this bit has not been mentioned enough recently, or at least not loudly enough for me to feel that I shouldn't swear, or type in caps), OUR F*CKING MONEY...!!!! Road tax is stupidly expensive, plus fuel tax, plus revenue cameras, plus prohibitively vociferous (outsourced private sector) parking management is now implemented in many towns and cities... WE ARE PAYING MANY TIMES OVER AND OUR ROADS ARE BADLY MAINTAINED....! "Badly maintained compared to where?" you may rightly ask... Well I can only speak from experience but Germany, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands and France seems like a fairly broad specimen group, and I've sampled urban, rural and major arterial roads in each. They are all (with the exception of some of the hilarious tracks across French fields that Garmin regards as roads... "turn right, here"... "wtf?"), maintained better and with less obstruction to traffic than the UK manages. To be a motorist in the UK is to pay many times over for "safety", to be taxed to the point where personal transport is questionably feasible and there is very poor public transit alternative. Somegeezer; you're probably a very moderate, intelligent and reasonable chap. If I met you I'd probably find much in common with you and might even want to be your friend... but I disagree with you, strongly. I also don't like the litigious culture that we've imported from the USA, but I don't think that's an excuse for a local authority to shrug their responsibility. Bah... UK sucks ass.
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Last Edit: Jun 30, 2008 21:56:46 GMT by fire3500
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Jun 30, 2008 22:31:33 GMT
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our local cabbies (led by my dad amongst others) got compensation for destroyed shock absorbers and other suspension damage after the council put in massive speed bumps on one of the main routes to the station and got them to lower them to a more sensible level (if a citroen BX gets damaged going over a speed bump you know its a biggun) obviously a bunch of cabbies all together threatening to boycot a station got some action, i guess you might have some luck if you get the papers involved and maybe see if you can get a copper to check out the road surface, otherwise i wouldnt hold your breath, they'll just say you were going to fast for the conditions and i bet they can afford more lawyers than you can.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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rtlkyuubi
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theres a section of road down in ulley resivoir thats constantly got about 2inch of gravel on because all the rain water washes down the hill. And thats where i fell off my scooter, what looked like a wet patch on the road turned out to be a gravel trap! maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ulley&ie=UTF8&ll=53.378237,-1.311855&spn=0.000976,0.002768&t=h&z=19 Ryan.
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