dugong
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Jun 23, 2008 11:11:17 GMT
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I fear I'm preaching to the converted here, but ho hum. My supposed 'perfect', 'faultless', 'won't-cost-you-any-money-because-it's-new' C4 is about to cost me £500 in repairs. Why? Only because all four frigging discs are warped. On a 38,000 mile, 2 year old car. The pads.............yeah I can understand, although my 306 got 48k out of a set. And yes, before you point the finger at me and say 'well, you did take it round Castle Combe' this is not the first time the rotors have given me grief. I was barely on the brakes anyway This is the second set of discs that it's on, and I knew something was awry because of the grunting and squealing that was going on at low speed. And then the replacements started doing the same thing, the same replacements I had put on at 11,000 miles after a huge row with Citroen who claimed it wasn't their problem 'because you've obviously been ragging the car'. They they then said, despite the fact that the discs were a bad batch and the design of the calipers is woeful, that they wouldn't contribute A PENNY to the replacement. Anyone who has seen me drive will know this is not the case. They don't call me 'Mr 12mph' round Sale for nothing. I didn't even go high speed kerbcrawling \ dogging round the Waterpark, I use the Piazza for that!As the OEM discs were fitted and have gone AGAIN, I am upgrading them. The standard rotors were fitted after a massive row between my dad and myself (as sometimes he and mum share the car if his BMW breaks ) as he was chipping in and wouldn't let me upgrade the discs 'because that's stupid and uneccessary'. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I don't mind spending money on cars that are old, because at least they're of an age where things go wrong. The whole f**king point of a modern is that they're no hassle. NO HASSLE. This is what you supposedly get for epic finance repayments and depressing depreciation. If my expectations are unreasonable, that's because your prices are, and I don't have £500* to yog on my daily every time it needs a service. So PSA, you've lost a customer for life. Not that you care, you're too busy banging out gash-faced hairdresser's cars to sell to the lower common denominator on finance. Come back P363 PNC, all is forgiven..................... *That's for a service and other sundry balderdash like a set of tyres, the cost of which I haven't factored in because they're consumables and I was expecting it.
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Last Edit: Jun 23, 2008 11:20:04 GMT by dugong
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stealthstylz
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Jun 23, 2008 11:20:00 GMT
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I think one of the big problems with the brakes on modern cars is because of the excessive use of traction control making the brakes do lots more work that they used to.
Matt
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dugong
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Jun 23, 2008 11:21:38 GMT
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I think one of the big problems with the brakes on modern cars is because of the excessive use of traction control making the brakes do lots more work that they used to. Matt I agree. But the cit's pretty pov and it doesn't have it. Has ABS, which meant it stayed in the garage for a week while they worked out how to correctly flash the BIOS so it would start without having a fit.....but anyways....
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Jun 23, 2008 11:36:55 GMT
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Jon, May be able to throw them on my lathe and get them true again if they aint too warped?
Edd
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LowStandards
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Jun 23, 2008 12:50:43 GMT
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Discs are £21.50 a pop at GSF...
Vented C2 1.6 16v ones are only £32, maybe just get them and find the calipers off a scrapper?
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Odin
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Jun 23, 2008 14:13:55 GMT
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To be honest, whilst some manufacturers efforts are akin to building clocks, the French build cars like they might pack a lunchbox. Sure you've got a sandwich, a flask and a banana in there, but if the drink leaks (which it will, because the top wasn't on tight enough) it's inside your sandwich bag so the bread is all soggy. Added to that, for some reason the banana has been peeled so it falls on the floor as soon as you open your lunch and gets bits of gravel in it.
I can't imagine why anyone would buy anything resembling a modern French car. My only foray into moderns was a Megane and it was a terrible terrible car.
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tigran
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Jun 23, 2008 14:37:03 GMT
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Just spend £80 on a set of mintex discs and pads, get better stopping distance and spend the £420 change on illicit goodies. It's not like the discs and pads would go any way towards keeping your warranty.
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Jun 23, 2008 15:34:19 GMT
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As for bring back the 306 you are joking are you not???
I had trouble with warping standard Peugeot discs on the 306. In the end I bought a pair of Tar-ox Monza's for £80 and they were still on the car when I sold it doing 5 times the mileage the standard ones managed, so I can highly recommend them.
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Jun 23, 2008 15:52:11 GMT
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Having owned several XR fords warped disc are something I know only too well, the answer my friend is excessive and constant engine braking.
But yeah modern stuff is curse word, the more I drive and get driven in new stuff the more I realise why it does nothing for me. Very little post 1990 get me excited, burn the modern curse word and buy sommit old NOW!
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Jun 23, 2008 16:14:43 GMT
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The front discs on my W220 S320 warp on a regular basis and I'm a chauffeur FFS so it's not exactly thrashed. Genuine parts and I've never worn any out yet, they just deform. I think they're made of plasticene!
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Aircooled is cool.......
But V8 is great!!!!!!
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Jun 23, 2008 16:59:00 GMT
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Modern Citroens were just about the only new car I would consider buying, look good, cheap to buy and good deals with finance and stuff.
I may have to reconsider!
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Jun 23, 2008 17:03:32 GMT
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The front discs on my W220 S320 warp on a regular basis and I'm a chauffeur FFS so it's not exactly thrashed. Genuine parts and I've never worn any out yet, they just deform. I think they're made of plasticene! s'cos when you stop in drive and hold it on the brakes, the discs overheat on that spot if you've been using 'em and they warp as a consequence.......hard to avoid, mind.
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dugong
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Jun 23, 2008 18:01:19 GMT
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Rage dump! Okay, spoke to the head mechanic at my garage that's not a Citroen garage. The new boy got a kicking for telling me my discs were warped Back discs ARE warped, fronts are worn out because they've been too heavily clamped and have a lip on them from this. Grunting is because of the lip and because the pad grips the disc wrong. It's not the end of the world, pads are only half gone so might as well put up with the grunting until then. Ed - thanks for offer lad, may well be in touch. If it's wear (rather than a stupid design flaw) then I can ALMOST stomach it. The caliper design is still hateful though, every modern's just designed like a Ford these days, half arsed and with no thought put into how and when it might need to come apart \ work after the warranty is out. Weird, when I spoke to GSF, they didn't have the fronts in, as in they don't stock them. Solid rears are same as the 206 \ C3 cack so it's my own fault. The 306 that I had was near faultless for 2 and a half of the three years I owned it. I let it go because the head gasket was going (cue admant stamps from the PSA fanbois - yes I changed the antifreeze \ coolant every year actually) and it started to go wrong big style when I was seriously ill myself. In a month, after almost 2 and a half years perfect motoring, it needed: Clutch N\S driveshaft CV boots Torsion bar mounts Entire new exhaust because the factory originally went until 123k and then expired completely. New master cylinder and lines. Aargh. I couldn't be phucked at the time as I was not in a good way and chopped it in. Tim, modern Citroens are okay. Just don't deal with their franchises........ The love \ hate affair continues............ *PS - Vic- this was the car the Ford garage offered me £50 for on a trade in. I feel a Modern Toss style 'customer service' sketch coming on..............
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Jun 23, 2008 18:43:42 GMT
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I like French cars.
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Jun 23, 2008 20:45:44 GMT
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I like the C4 aswell,i guess i'll just hang on to my 306 HDi until the wheels fall off(Cue french build quality jokes).
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Jun 23, 2008 20:54:48 GMT
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jon you got mail
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Jun 23, 2008 20:59:48 GMT
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just to say
we (me, old lady , old man) have put 55k on a 94 xantia in 12 years
old ladys had sole use of it for 6-7 years now and she never uses the handbrake (foot on brake at lights)
apart from fluids and front pads and one 11 quid pipe its needed just filters and oil
and she doesnt do over 50. ever.
might not be the C4 - but in regard to the parts - even dealer stuff is getting more and more cheaply made - you think dealer = quality
not any more the quality of their parts is as shocking as the next place
not only citroens
all based on the throwaway society
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2001 HONDA CT110 (NOT RCV)
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Jun 23, 2008 22:17:00 GMT
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AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGHHH!!!!! Just to delivery of a 57 reg S320 cdi loaner this evening from my insurance company as some 'kind' bus driver drove a double decker into the side of my S320 last week. 7093 miles on the clock, I never even got to drive it and it's had to be recovered cos it's dumped it's engine oil all over the road. Not just a puddle, oh no, it did it right and puked at least a gallon. I had the devil of a job stopping it running down the drain there was so much of it. Damn moderns!
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Aircooled is cool.......
But V8 is great!!!!!!
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i think the point is 'damn cars' rather than specificly moderns. My ol' man had plenty of retros as new cars and some of them broke a bit too...
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Pug 807, discs at 25k and again at 50k........Throwaway society right enough....
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