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For info on the Buick/Olds/Pontiac/ Rover alloy V8, and especially for info about swopping it into a "retro ride", the most useful website by far is www.BritishV8.org - which has over 500 pages of articles and over 5000 photos about putting big engines in little British cars. This article provides a nice overview of the history of the engine: www.britishv8.org/Articles/Rover-Autocar-Article.htmWe also have countless articles about parts interchanges. (For example, you might want to select a shorter water pump or an oil pump that points the filter away from your frame rail...) We have articles about various hot-rodding techniques, such as building your own oil pan, installing NOx injection, installing EFI, installing a supercharger, selecting headers, etc. Here are a couple examples: (Guide to Rover 14CUX fuel injection) www.britishv8.org/Articles/Rover-14CUX-EFI.htm(A low-profile supercharger installation) www.britishv8.org/Articles/MGB-V8-Supercharger.htm Search for archived articles from this page: www.britishv8.org/British-V8-Back-Issues.htmOur web forum is frequented by Buick/Rover engine enthusiasts: forum.britishv8.org/list.php?6There are certainly higher performance "modern" alternatives than the Rover V8... but if you're looking for a "retro" engine for your Retro Ride, there are very few engines with as cool a heritage. For example, in Buick trim this engine competed in the Indy 500 and was competitive. In Repco-Oldsmobile trim it won two Formula One championships. Here's a photo of the aluminum V8 (Olds version) from Jim Hall's famous Chaparral II racecar, circa 1965:  |
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Turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so  Whats the availability of the 1UZ like over there? I seem to remember talk of cheap lexus donors. 250bhp Alloy block and heads Plenty strong Weigh under 200kg Front sump options The one in the pic above is in a KE20 corolla (big turbo is optional, of coarse) www.performanceforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67229785Bike carbs and Holleys have both been adapted if you don't want EFI, but the computer also controls the autobox so you will need a manual valve body or a stand alone controller (which makes push button shifting a possibility) Dimensions; forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=108648General info; autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=2884Have a look around these forums for more 1UZ conversions www.toymods.net/ |
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Massive tuning isn't the plan...so a stock v8 set up so it runs sweetly is all I'm after. Its not gonna get supercharged or turbo'd or raced...just cruised about but with enough grunt to whistle down the motorways.
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350 |
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Massive tuning isn't the plan...so a stock v8 set up so it runs sweetly is all I'm after. Its not gonna get supercharged or turbo'd or raced...just cruised about but with enough grunt to whistle down the motorways. Lexus V8 and the slushbox it comes with? *n |
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if your happy with low power 150-160bhp (and basically have no desire to tune or up the power) and don't mind coughing quite a lot of money (it's all relative) when the time comes to repair/rebuild it maybe a Rover will do the job they are pretty simple creatures, if you even want to tune or want a decent power output just forget it and buy a small block yank (I'd buy a ford 289/302 but then i would say that)..
If you do buy a Rover engine, do your research thouragly so you know what you ending up with and it's condition is paramount RV8's will tun sorta ok even when they're utterly shagged, so never take the old line 'it was running ok when removed' make sure you get a a good un with strong oil pressure and even compressions and don't end up with an early RR spec 8.13:1 one, you want an 9.35:1 out of an SD1 or a 10.5 :1 out of a P5 would be ok if it's cheap..
if you get an old tired one or a low compression one you will be lucky to see 110bhp out of the old nag, (and people ask why their V8 conversion ain't that fast!!)
I seem to regularly have both Rovers and the odd yank engine for sale so i'll let you know if anything tasty looking comes up, keep an eye on NSRA forum and eurodragster forum for engines...
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Lexus V8 and the slushbox it comes with? *n Thats what I was getting at, the pic with turbo was more to show the motor housed in a small engine bay. |
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Yea, be wary of the people who say you can only get about 15 psi or less hot idle as well - never been too convinced by that - if it's in good health then it should be higher. Example: That's my previous one, hot! (Water temperature in this instance is in fact the sump temperature). Had a recent oil pump and was a nice tight mill with minimal blowby if any and no leaks. What yours could sound like! : Or a bit more refined:  Light car that, under 1000kg - hauled ass when required and thanks to the EFi returned over 30mpg - could have done with taller gearing though. That was using the LT77. I absolutely pounded on that transmission and it gave me no issues - neither did the mill - although the 'box did whine a lot as the videos show! Never got worse though and lovely snick-snick shift thanks to the Sherpa linkage on the end  Bear in mind that an automatic transmission will also take a considerable bit of shunt OUT of the drivetrain, saving your rear end to some degree - so you may be able to get away with more in some instance. You could also use tyres as another strategic weak link in the chain - narrow enough to provide safe levels of grip and traction but not so wide they hunker down and rip up the tarmac, shredding your diff Oddball suggestion too - Sprint axle takes up to 300ft.lb so there's another rear end option for you, if you're using a solid axle |
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May 21, 2008 11:23:25 GMT
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Well I'm bidding on an axle from an '83 2.8i Capri which should be pretty strong being an atlas
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350 |
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May 21, 2008 12:26:32 GMT
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Is it an LSD unit? if so bank on a rebuild, I have had quite a few in capris and only ever had one that locked up properly and span both rear wheels, and guess what that was freshly rebuilt!
Either way there strong as hell, I've never broken one at least (and i have tried)
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May 21, 2008 12:38:02 GMT
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No, its not LSD thank god (at least the listing SAYS its not lol)
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350 |
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May 21, 2008 14:56:45 GMT
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Will have to get some PCD adaptors too to get back to the one i want. A capri axle would be able to handle a ford 289 or 302 wont it?
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350 |
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May 21, 2008 18:55:55 GMT
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yes providing you don't have to much grip.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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May 21, 2008 19:47:45 GMT
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yes providing you don't have to much grip. 6.5" rims are in the plan so grip isnt gonna be mental/existant  |
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350 |
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May 21, 2008 19:48:46 GMT
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Ask Nightmares how English Ford axles handle a 302...  Like Popup says if you run hard narrow tyres and no LSD and an auto you stand a far better chance of it living. There's plenty of opinion on the V8 front - its like asking "whats the best beer" or "whats the nicest flavour of sherbert". It depends on your tastes and needs. People often say the SBC is smaller than the RV8 but try putting a Chevy into a Rover P5 or MGB and you'll quickly find which engine is really bigger.... As someone said in this thread has already said a lot of the weight issue is due to the exhaust ports but its all about the installed width. The SBC is bloomin heavy and at least as long as most RV8s - RV8 length depends on water pump its fitted with, and they vary quite a bit. From memory the P6 one is the most compact. Or use an electric one... I also don't know where this idea of "really expensive" Rover V8 parts comes from. Rover V8 parts are OK priced. Certainly way cheaper than Toyota parts for that Lexus lump and probably cheaper than BMW parts if you get a V8 Beemer... I never owned a BMW so I dunno... Certainly big power is cheapest from the Chevy, followed by the Ford. But if you just want a burbling cruiser the RV8 will do the trick just fine. A chum of mine used to maintain the local police fleet of SD1 V8 3500s and he says low oil pressure on hot idle is nothing to worry about so long as everything else is OK. If its good enough for the cops then its good enough for me I guess. But theres plenty of opinions.... |
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May 21, 2008 22:06:39 GMT
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Sorry just to clarify my statement, I ment Rover bits were expensive in comparison to SBF and SBC, I've found tuning bits really quite expensive compared to yank bits... even for comparable items check out the price of a set of headers or a 4 barrel inlet.
I know that the toyota parts will be horrific in comparison esp if the track day Supra turbo I'm building with a mate is anything to go by..
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May 22, 2008 10:10:59 GMT
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A burbling cruiser is exactly the idea AK. Plus, i can dress it so its pretty as well as functional. If i can tweek 180bhp out of it i'll be more than happy....could even bike carb it! But I'm after a classic kinda lump so 4 barrel and a good sized filter will suffice. Has anyone got any pictures of 60's/70's race V8's?
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350 |
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May 22, 2008 13:01:48 GMT
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fair enough 10mpg, I know whatyou mean there. But almost nothing is as cheap to build as the 350 SBC...
I wouldn't go with bike carbs - for an easy cruiser either a 4 barrel (Edelbrock 500, Holley 465, Carter 450) or even a Weber 38 off a 3 litre Capri for a fairly low tuned motor. Or use a 2v Holley 500. Bike carbs would look the balls though! I've also seen twin Weber setups on Rovers but I'd go with a single 4 barrel as that would be easier to keep in tune if its a daily.
180 BHP should be easy. Stock they make 145-155 and the higher compression (LPG or octane boosters required!) P5B lumps were 167. The Vitesse is supposed to be about 180 from memory. Whether a worn one out of a scrapper would make 70% of these numbers or not is another question....
couple of hundred should be easy from a rebuilt Rover. Have you checked out the RPI engineering website?
I'd still be thinking small block Ford myself, depending on what the car was.
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May 22, 2008 13:52:29 GMT
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Your car is not 'epic', this thread is not 'epic'....the OCEAN is epic, the UNIVERSE is epic.... please stop misusing this word!! It would appear Hotrods are the new VWs - aint fashion funny! '69 BUICK LESABRE 350 |
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