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Jul 20, 2006 15:21:23 GMT
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I have faith that something constructive can come out of all this... I just wish people had been a bit more level headed in their responses rather than just needlessly slinging mud at each other. It gets us no where. I wrote all I felt I needed to write in the previous threads and don't see the point of repeating it all again....... But I don't see any point in critisising banger racers for their sport - it's their sport if you don't like it or understand it accept it........ 99.9% of them I am sure are honest - the 0.1% unfortunately are tarnishing the image of them all but we shouldn't reject/drive off the few that are coming on here with thoughtless comments/insults Agreed - the issue here is about car theft - this thread is not the place for debate over the existance of banger racing. Glad to see that there appears to be some constructive ideas - an internet register about stolen cars would benefit everyone, be it banger racers, classic car enthusiasts etc, as nobody wants to buy a car, spend lots of time / effort / money on it, only to find out it is stolen & have the police take it away.
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Jul 20, 2006 15:21:41 GMT
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As another suggestion how about a website or something dedicated to stolen cars. This would ideally be regularly browsed by both the classic fraternity and banger racers - preferably some of the promoters. Then everyone knows what they are looking for. If the banger community really want to help then as soon as a known stolen car (especially if a rare one of the saame type) turns up at a meet like the SSS or this wagon questions can be asked, the car isn't raced and the police are involved. Lets not re-invent the wheel - use this site to publisise thefts www.twoc.co.ukIt's run by a nice chap in his own time
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Jul 20, 2006 15:26:32 GMT
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OK fair enough Chris. Next question though, wouldn't stuff like the engine have been pulled out? It was a 5.2 V8 and as such its got resale value. I'll bet that won't have just been cubed. Chap I know runs a scrappy and banger races and always pulls the motors fo any V8 he races. The engine number should be on the V5 and that could be used to confirm the ID of the car. Although I know the DVLA managed to record the part number cast into the inlet manifold as the engine number on one of my cars in the past...
And for the record it wasn't me snooping round looking for a VIN number in the yard, a couple of mates of the owner went round to see if they could ID the car.
Mr Child is quite correct. In a free society what people do with their legitimately acquired assets is entirely up to them. Lets face it people like me and my hot rod mates are regarded as "no better than bager racers" by a lot of the classic fratienity. To make a traditional hot rod about a half dozen other classics have to die. If I bought a ropey P6 Rover for the engine and remote servo set up to shove in a Consul then scrapped the remains what the difference than if I bangered the Rover and pulled the motor after? Or bangered it with the Consul motor in it!
I'll also re-itterate I have known a fair few banger racers over the years, not one of them was a car thief. I would also point out that an official (committee member) of a national classic car club once offered me stolen property and in fact offered to steal a car to order for me for a donor vehicle on a project I was working on. lets not say all classic car clubs are run by car thieves then eh?
There is a perception that there is an increased problem of classic car thefts for banger racing. Do we have any proof that it is on the increase or is it just that this stuff gets reported better now due to the internet etc?
Name calling and wild accusations are not going to help anybody, especially when what is needed is a trust and developed relationship between people running banger events and the older car scene to deal with the problem of stolen cars turning up there.
Then we need to work something simliar out to deal with the cars which get stolen to be parted out on eBay or at auojumbles...
Its an emotive area for sure. If someone nicked our Celica we'd claim the insurance and get another one. End of story really. If someone nicked my Plymouth then I'd be after their guts until the end of time. Both "just" cars, but its the way you feel about it thats different.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 20, 2006 15:33:14 GMT
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Lets not re-invent the wheel - use this site to publisise thefts www.twoc.co.ukIt's run by a nice chap in his own time Excellent link - now bookmarked! Alistairk - well said
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bstardchild
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Jul 20, 2006 15:38:57 GMT
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Excellent link - now bookmarked! No problems Alistairk - well said Very nicely put Alistairk
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Jul 20, 2006 15:44:36 GMT
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Lets not re-invent the wheel - use this site to publisise thefts www.twoc.co.ukIt's run by a nice chap in his own time I'd rather see one specifically for Classic cars,.. to be used as an interface between all the classic car forums, and the banger guys and the scrap yard hunters and the ebay crawlers etc.
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bstardchild
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Jul 20, 2006 15:51:41 GMT
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Lets not re-invent the wheel - use this site to publisise thefts www.twoc.co.ukIt's run by a nice chap in his own time I'd rather see one specifically for Classic cars,.. to be used as an interface between all the classic car forums, and the banger guys and the scrap yard hunters and the ebay crawlers etc. Much better to use what is already avaliable Dilution is never a good thing IMHO
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Jul 20, 2006 15:54:39 GMT
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Much better to use what is already avaliable Dilution is never a good thing IMHO Only if whats there already is useful,.. What I'd want to see is a site that I load up and on the front page is the last three months of or last 25 stolen cars.. Which even if that site did it would bring up peoples motorbikes, Imprezas and other stuff not relevant to the sort of things we are expecting to see/find. Don't make me program it to demonstrate what I mean,... I'm pretty busy already!!
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Jul 20, 2006 15:55:37 GMT
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I'd rather see one specifically for Classic cars,.. to be used as an interface between all the classic car forums, and the banger guys and the scrap yard hunters and the ebay crawlers etc. That's what I was thinking too. On a brief look that one looks a bit scary to me. Need something really nice and simple to use. I think there would be room for one dedicated to "enthusiast" cars.
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Jul 20, 2006 15:59:53 GMT
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Right,Echoing whats been said before,forget all the name calling and trying to justify banger racing etc,theres plenty of other times and places for that,everyone has their own opinion! end of! A SUGGESTION!!!!! Why isnt a new section opened on here in the forum so as soon as a car gets stolen,its details get posted on here, BUT!! also the mods from this forum get in touch with the mods at prob the biggest banger racing forum going, ovalchat and get them to start a new section on their forum that contains the details of stolen cars as they happen too! That way the majority of classic car guys read it on retro rides forum AND the majority of banger racers and fans read it at exactly the same time on ovalchat There you have it,everyone from both camps working together,keeping an eye out,and hopefully ending all this theving sh*t thats going on! Everyone will be more vigilant and hopefully catch some of the theving turds! A Good Idea?
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Jul 20, 2006 15:59:56 GMT
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There has been a lot said in this thread and I think I have just come to some conclusions.
1. I suspect that very few cars are actually stolen to banger race, rather just stolen to make a fast buck
2. The person buying the car to banger it MUST be suspicious of any car (even if battered and stripped) that is solid.
3. These banger racers who do buy dodgy cars and then claim they bought it in good faith and had no idea need to be educated and then banned from the sport if they continue to operate in this fashion.
As it has been said before, I cannot blame the banger boys for the thefts at all but I can blame them for the outrageous ignorance (either genuine dumbassedness or head in the sand guys) which then leads to the car finally finding its way to the track.
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Last Edit: Jul 20, 2006 16:00:12 GMT by danblez
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Jul 20, 2006 16:06:45 GMT
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Right,Echoing whats been said before,forget all the name calling and trying to justify banger racing etc,theres plenty of other times and places for that,everyone has their own opinion! end of! A SUGGESTION!!!!! Why isnt a new section opened on here in the forum so as soon as a car gets stolen,its details get posted on here, BUT!! also the mods from this forum get in touch with the mods at prob the biggest banger racing forum going, ovalchat and get them to start a new section on their forum that contains the details of stolen cars as they happen too! That way the majority of classic car guys read it on retro rides forum AND the majority of banger racers and fans read it at exactly the same time on ovalchat There you have it,everyone from both camps working together,keeping an eye out,and hopefully ending all this theving sh*t thats going on! Everyone will be more vigilant and hopefully catch some of the theving turds! A Good Idea? agree on all points really.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 20, 2006 16:13:39 GMT
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Hi,
I run the TWOC site. Any suggestions are always received with open arms. Prefer ones that don't cost me any money please!! The site is funded by me and does cost a few pennies to run.
I have always thought it was a nice easy to look at site, but someone mentioned it being scary...:-) How so guys.
Thanks for support
Craig
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Jul 20, 2006 16:17:21 GMT
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Welcome Craig, hopefully some sensible suggestions coming up
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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bstardchild
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Jul 20, 2006 16:22:29 GMT
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Hi, I run the TWOC site. Any suggestions are always received with open arms. Prefer ones that don't cost me any money please!! The site is funded by me and does cost a few pennies to run. I have always thought it was a nice easy to look at site, but someone mentioned it being scary...:-) How so guys. Thanks for support Craig Welcome Craig I don't find it scary Left hand search box click last months recent additions any Ping - jobs a goodun Maybe the forever option is a tad large
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Jul 20, 2006 16:25:10 GMT
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VW 13 WINDOW CAMPER WALK THROUGH Colour: Light Blue ( WHITE ) Registration No: FHJ244D Police Incident No: J11S/03977/06 VIN: 256163923 Additional Information: BLUE AND WHITE 13 WINDOW DELUX VW CAMPER SPLIT SCREEN US SPEC, LEFT HAND DRIVE CHROME WHEELS I know this isn't banger racing material but it shows the site isn't dedicated to modern stuff It's like anything - it's as good as well help it to be What I'd like to see is the Police feeding it with info
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Seth
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Jul 20, 2006 16:28:07 GMT
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Hi, I run the TWOC site. Any suggestions are always received with open arms. Prefer ones that don't cost me any money please!! The site is funded by me and does cost a few pennies to run. I have always thought it was a nice easy to look at site, but someone mentioned it being scary...:-) How so guys. Thanks for support Craig Hi, sorry its probably just me feeling a bit overheated today. First impressions of it are that it looks quite official which I guess is probably what you are intending but can sometimes be off-putting. There also seems to be quite a bit that isn't about stolen cars but I imagine that's because you need some way of funding it all. I think I would make the quick search box more prominent on the hompage as that's what most people will be looking for? I hope you take all of this a constructively as its meant to be. Great concept I had in mind something simpler along the lines of what Hotwire said. Having to search for a specific car as on your website wouldn't help if people were just trying to make it known that a classic had gone missing. Being immediatly presented with photos of recently stolen cars would be spot on
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Jul 20, 2006 17:17:01 GMT
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Hi, I run the TWOC site. Any suggestions are always received with open arms. Prefer ones that don't cost me any money please!! The site is funded by me and does cost a few pennies to run. I have always thought it was a nice easy to look at site, but someone mentioned it being scary...:-) How so guys. Thanks for support Craig Hello! Database wise I think you've got it sorted, its just the presentation of it from our point of view. Would be nice to go into a page and have it list all of the pre 1985 (arbitary cut of date) cars stolen in the last 3 months, without having to go for a search. The ability to search by VIN would help some of the scrappies know if the car was on there, assuming someone has removed/replaced the normal registration plates. From a purely personal design point of view I'd definatly like to see the front page list the last 25 or 30 vehicles stolen (of all types) so that is the first thing you see. Basically its a case of wanted to be presented with the information, rather than having to go look for it... people are lazy. Also on a technical note and RSS feed of the classic stuff stolen would be useful as I could then syndicate that on here and other sites could too
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Jul 20, 2006 22:55:23 GMT
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A very good idea! Thats what I would call 'working together'.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Sorry, i don't wish to cause any offence, but Banger Racing IMO, is senseless vandalism, and IS a disgrace to be called a form of motorsport at all. It is not Motorsport, it is brainless dodgems for adults. quote] we get a buzz out of racing old cars that are worth nothing because they are so rotten, bit like you lot must when restoring your cars and looking at the hard work you have put in to them. Just because Banger racers 'kill' cars don't mean they are not intrested/owners of classics. I'm intrested in XR3i's (ok so not a classic) n also enjoy spending my money buying stuff and hopefully soon buying a XR3 (cant at moment due to insurence costs). You want us Banger racer's to help you out, but why should we if you are going to call us all the names under the sun? and slag are hobby off. Isnt it about time we started working together and trying to find the scum that nicked this car? Cheers Chris. Why should you help us? Because stealing is wrong!!!!!
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