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If this is yet another stolen and raced classic, then I (and I would say 99.99% of other Banger Racing followers / Drivers) think its disgusting.
I am sorry this may have happened yet again, but please don't tar us all with the same brush.
A good few of you on this forum (and you know who you are) have mailed me and requested window stickers for your classics, with a view that any suspecting Banger linked thief would not steal from his own.
We all love our classics and our automotive history, and none of us love thieves, so lets stop bitching about each other on mass, when it is more than obvious that a couple of low life people have disgraced all of us.
You want a car sticker, then PM me your address and you can have one on me for free, you want to use my pictures.... feel free (help yourself), but please stop putting us all in the same pot as thieves and thugs.
I hope those responsable get their just deserts.......... and remember "What Goes Around, Comes Around".
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Gotta say,how many of us have been to Auto jumbles,breakers etc and bought parts without checking there origins? you have to be careful about generalizing all the banger boys as thieving toe rags.I was involved in the sport in the eighties,racing in auto cross.And the lads that shared the farm buildings were ordinary blokes that used banger racing as a cheap means of motor sport.They all chipped in and bought their cars from the local rags.You know the kind of thing-M.O.T. Failure £75 Ono One of those blokes is my sons Godfather and oh,he's also a Sergeant in the Met police! ;D
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Almera GTI = ugly bird who turns out to be great in the sack = Win
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Oh dear, oh dear.....................it was a very tongue in cheek remark, the last think anybody wants is any more EU interference. Christ Wilco you have, in one fell swoop showed yourself to be a bit of a thicky................................................................................. Now how about you tell us all what your cohorts are actually going to do about this particular case which is an absolute bang on 100% stolen to banger case? Let me guess.....all the honest to goodness "how sad but it werent me guv" banger racers will, once again wring their hands and collectively sigh as they tell everyone how its absolutely impossible to weed out the bad guys and have some sort of regulation. Tell you what the problem really is shall I? There are some serious "faces" in your "sport" who have plenty of money and no morals. Stealing a car to banger is ok because the rest of you dare not blow any whistles.These arent enthusiastic amateurs these are hardened banger pros who no one will go up against. If I'm wrong then i expect to see these people being ratted on very soon. Not a grass? Who is! Depends on what you really care about I suppose. What sums it all up was your immediate defence of your sport yet not one effing word of condolence,disgust or acknowlegement that once again your hobby has made itself look like the seedy, rotten, corrupt "sport" that many people believe it to be. Whatever - tongue in cheek at the time, or afterwards when good argument against your opinions has gone up? You can't spell my name right and I'm thick? STFU... I'll save my condolence / disgust / acknowledgement for the emergence of the FACTS, unlike you. Wilko, i only said that it would be good if the thieves got hurt. Your taking things out of context and i don't think that any one has personally attack you have they?
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Hi all,my first post on here,i thought id share my views, I love classic cars but i also love banger racing,ive been going on and off since i was 8,I'm 26 now,i also agree that stealing a car to race,thats someone elses property,even if its a rotten heap of s*it is well out of order! to be honest in this day in age with the internet and communication made very easy,and plenty of banger sites covering the top/rare cars from every meeting,its highly unlikely you will get away with it, whoever stole that plymouth,datsun sss coupe and mk1 granny,be they banger racers to race it,classic car folks to strip it for bits or international export dealers for whatever, they all need their balls removing! then have them shoved up their a*se! sometimes you see a car turn up a a meeting that may be a bit too good to race which i think is a shame,but so long as the driver has brought it above board thats their choice what they do with it,I'm quite fond of old humbers and esp old hearses! and do feel a tad sad when raced even if they collapse because they are so crusty because they are good looking cars,and laying out the cost to bring them back would be huge,don't get me wrong,I'm into classic aviation too and seen restorations of crashed american fighter planes that have sat in the jungle for the past 60yrs with nothing left of them,but still get restored to an mint,airworthy condition (ok their value goes into hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions) but the same principle, i really do hope the mk1 granny and mk2 tina turn up safe and well, As was said earlier,the banger racing community and classic car community need to work together on this,insults and stuff don't help anybody,all theives need punishing! pref in the showers by Mr Big! Cheers,Lee,
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Nice one lee. ;D
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Almera GTI = ugly bird who turns out to be great in the sack = Win
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I'm trying to stay out of this, because I know banger racers (in fact, I know banger racers that have had cars they're saving for racing stolen off them) And!! So what! At least it was saved from a fate that would mean being smashed to smitherines by what probably is some illiterate half wit who obviously has no care for vehicle heritage at all. Sorry, i don't wish to cause any offence, but Banger Racing IMO, is senseless vandalism, and IS a disgrace to be called a form of motorsport at all. It is not Motorsport, it is brainless dodgems for adults. What car enthusiast in their rightly educated, stable mind would spend their hard earned on something, then to spend time and a little amount of money prepping cars, over and over again, for the enjoyment of smashing the things up!! Where is the sense???
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Last Edit: Jul 20, 2006 2:22:30 GMT by Baz
Lots of Peugeots, a few Volvo's and a Sierra...
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I have just read this and i'm utterly gobsmacked, and upset being an enthusiast, as you can probably tell, even though not particularly a yank fan it's still just the pure audacity of it. And Dazmax, please don't associate Autocross with bangering!! If you do mean proper MSA sanctionned Autocrossing events, they're not the same at all!
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Last Edit: Jul 20, 2006 2:25:39 GMT by Baz
Lots of Peugeots, a few Volvo's and a Sierra...
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I'm trying to stay out of this, because I know banger racers (in fact, I know banger racers that have had cars they're saving for racing stolen off them) And!! So what! At least it was saved from a fate that would mean being smashed to smitherines by what probably is some illiterate half wit who obviously has no care for vehicle heritage at all. Sorry, i don't wish to cause any offence, but Banger Racing IMO, is senseless vandalism, and IS a disgrace to be called a form of motorsport at all. It is not Motorsport, it is brainless dodgems for adults. What car enthusiast in their rightly educated, stable mind would spend their hard earned on something, then to spend time and a little amount of money prepping cars, over and over again, for the enjoyment of smashing the things up!! Where is the sense??? If you spend £70 on a 205 you have the choice to do what ever you like with it,if it had no floor and was falling to bits would you spend thousands restoring it from a crusty heap? only for it to be worth a fraction of the money you spent out on it? if you would,fine,its your car so thats your choice, if i brought a austin 3 litre that was falling to bits with no floor the same principle lies with me,I'm not a banger racer,as i stated before,i follow the sport and have a huge intrest in classic cars,i know i would rather the decent parts get sold on to others,owners clubs etc and the rotten old bits that are left behind go out in a blaze of glory instead of sinking in someones back garden with a tree growing up through the middle,only to be dragged out in a few years time anyways and put in the crusher because its 100% gone, as for motorsport,ive pretty much given up on formula one now,i still watch touring cars,nascars etc but i find theres 10x more excitment in a 12minute banger race even a hot rod or stock car race than there ever is in a almost 2hour grand prix, so as for the rare cars that have been raced like a Humber Hawk Stretch,a Ford Dorset Hearse,a Rover P5 Minister,a MK10 Jaguar Stretch,3ltr Vanden Plas Hearse,a Cadillac Flower car from the 50s that was possibly used at jfk`s funeral,the popes old Warszawa and john lennons Plymouth Fury, you would have prob never seen again if it wasnt for banger racing,at least now you know they were rotten to the core and went out with style instead of being scraped up with a shovel from a scrapyard,a record has been kept for heritage sakes,
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a record has been kept for heritage sakes,
Now THATS going to p*ss off quite a few! ;D
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Almera GTI = ugly bird who turns out to be great in the sack = Win
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I think the point is that the car this thread is based upon was not rotton, and was stolen!! -to go out in a blaze of glory, what, in a banger race, you call that style?? Glorified dodgems! The Plymouth was obviousy a good car, someone's pride and joy, not a wreck. I don't think this thred is disputing the grounds upon which or why a car should be ruined or not, no doubt about it, if i bought a rotton 205, or any car for that matter, it'd be stupid to pour money into it?? Whats you're point?
And as for motorsport, there is plenty more than F1, nascar and the tin tops, i'm talking clubman stuff that YOU can actually go out and enjoy, properly organised events by MSA recognised Motor Clubs, for and by real enthusiasts, Sprints, Hillclimbs, Autocross, PCT's etc. Banger racing, auto-grass and the likes is a monkey 'sport' and isn't an organised 'motorsport' recognised by any respected governing body. I don't know how they can even be called 'races'.
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Lots of Peugeots, a few Volvo's and a Sierra...
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I know we're all pretty p*ssed off with what has happened to these cars,but I for one don't like to see a whole group of people and the things they like doing nailed to a cross because of a few tossers. I like trail riding,yet the ramblers society are doing exactly whats happening here.A few mindless curse word screaming down bridle paths on unregistered, often stolen 'crossers have f*cked it up for all us law abiding riders. the result, our "sport"is to become outlawed. looks like the mindless few are going to balls it for everyone, as is so often the case in so many walks of life
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Almera GTI = ugly bird who turns out to be great in the sack = Win
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What a terrible turn of events.
Nice to see that these things are developing a 'pattern'
I.e: 1. Car gets nicked. We make suggestions as to where it -might- turn up 2. Banger fans say 'don't blame us, might have been someone else' 3. Goes quiet for a bit 4. Lo! and behold! The car turns up swathed in dulux and sans windows to be smashed to smithereens. 5. We all get angry 6. Banger racers get angry in return for 'being tarred with the same brush', yet at the same time failing to do a single bloody thing to root out the robbing bastards / stolen goods handlers in their midst. 7. We sit down and wait for the process to start again.
I just cannot comprehend this 'head in the sand' mentality that so many banger racers demonstrate. I'm yet to hear a single pro-active suggestion that may actually lead to crims getting punished and reduce the number of cars stolen.
Bleating about what isn't feasable seems no excuse for not thinking up something that is.
Until someone can show me a link or document PROVING that banger racers are trying to sort their own church out, then I think it is only fair that I or anyone else here should be sceptical about ANYONE involved in the scene.
I now retire to allow the same tired retorts that get trotted out time & time again to be thrown back at me in response.
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Last Edit: Jul 20, 2006 5:37:08 GMT by arthurbrown
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hurray! a couple of banger lads talking sense. Good work chaps.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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I'm trying to stay out of this, because I know banger racers (in fact, I know banger racers that have had cars they're saving for racing stolen off them) And!! So what! At least it was saved from a fate that would mean being smashed to smitherines by what probably is some illiterate half wit who obviously has no care for vehicle heritage at all. Just so I can get this straight in my head then - stealing a car that was bought legitimately by an enthusiast is a crime on a par with shooting kittens with a nailgun and the traveller ****s should be tarred and feathered, but stealing a car that was bought legitimately by a racer is actually an act of modern day heroism? Don't get me wrong, what's happened to the Plymouth and the Datsun is an absolute travesty, but is saying 'all banger racers are illiterate halfwits and should be shot' likely to help at all? It seems to me that part of the problem is that when a car is raced, with all the associated writeups and photos, it's just too in your face. We've been told the car was bought for £100, we've all agreed that at that price the driver should have considered the fact that something was dodgy. Thing is, as I've said before, even if every racer in the world turned it down, the traveller tw*ts that stole it would have still got that for scrap - they'd be happy. If we somehow found out later that the Plymouth had been cubed (and it does happen - there was a bit in my local paper recently about a 5 year old, taxed, MOTd 106 that had been taken for scrap) would we be saying that all scrappies were evil and that scrapyards should be banned? Yes, banger racing needs to do something about stolen cars being raced. No, I'm not sure what that is, nor do I think that they are the only group to blame. Some of the invective that's being thrown around is likely to do more harm than good. My last word on the subject.
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What a terrible turn of events. Nice to see that these things are developing a 'pattern' I.e: 1. Car gets nicked. We make suggestions as to where it -might- turn up 2. Banger fans say 'don't blame us, might have been someone else' 3. Goes quiet for a bit 4. Lo! and behold! The car turns up swathed in dulux and sans windows to be smashed to smithereens. 5. We all get angry 6. Banger racers get angry in return for 'being tarred with the same brush', yet at the same time failing to do a single bloody thing to root out the robbing bastards / stolen goods handlers in their midst. 7. We sit down and wait for the process to start again. I just cannot comprehend this 'head in the sand' mentality that so many banger racers demonstrate. I'm yet to hear a single pro-active suggestion that may actually lead to crims getting punished and reduce the number of cars stolen. Bleating about what isn't feasable seems no excuse for not thinking up something that is. Until someone can show me a link or document PROVING that banger racers are trying to sort their own church out, then I think it is only fair that I or anyone else here should be sceptical about ANYONE involved in the scene. I now retire to allow the same tired retorts that get trotted out time & time again to be thrown back at me in response. Exactly. The banger community need to stop hiding behind the possibillty of the cars not being stolen. The Plymouth might not be the same car, the Granada isn't rare enough to be quite as obvious (although I understand there have been reliable sources suggesting the culprit of the theft) but the Datsun is 100% the same car - even if the police weren't exactly at their most intelligent on the night. In the case of the Plymouth, then I'd say Ian (the racer) has a duty to the banger racers, his sponsors and the cars owner to find out if it is the same car and how it arrived at the track, ideally leading to the prosecution of the thieves. Anything less would be (literally) criminal. As for the Datsun..it was the definitely the stolen car, the racer was Mitchell 'Rubble' Mills and to my knowledge, NOTHING has been done to stop it happening again. Wilko, it would be wrong for me to delete your account - you should have the right of reply available to you. You do have the choice to stop posting, of course.
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Right folks. Much anger on all sides obviously. Lets try not to turn this into another slagging match.
The banger boys raise some good points, we do have a responsibility to make sure our cars are secured, be that alarms, garages, cut off switches or whatever. This is just a fact of life now I'm afraid, cars get stolen for numerous reasons, occasionally just because they are easy to steal.
This is our responsibility and something we must do. However we are not the only ones with a responsibility. I believe the banger racing community need to work out some way of cutting down on these cars being raced. The problem is coming more and more to light as communication on the internet allows people to know what has been stolen and what has been bangered. It's not going to take many more example of this happening before there is a huge out cry. So I feel the banger racing community should be more pro-active in trying to at least keep records. As I said before I personally believe that Vin plates are the key, but people closer to the sport may have better ideas.
For those that are just using this as a chance to rage against banger racing, please don't, numerous cars have been destroyed by being poorly modified and then scrapped, or by being rallied and crashed or just left in a field until they rot into the floor. If banger racers want to buy a car legitimatly and race it, thats fine, it's theres to do with as they please. There are large elements of the classic car community that would like us to not modify cars.
Hoepfully something good can come out of this and the recent Datsun theft. We need to work together.
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I've just been informed of what has been written on this forum and I've rang Ian, and he is totally gobsmacked because he bought the plymouth in good faith a few weeks ago and been building it for that time at his place of work in full view of everyone. Ian says he was offered the car by some lads who had seen some of the bangers there lately and that he paid £100 for it
with the greatest respect but, b******s
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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Well said, HTW (and 104ZS!)
Thinking out loud, as motorists we have to jump through rings to prove our cars are legal. What with MOTs, road fund licences, insurance, SVA, the horrible "does it need a Q-plate" laws, different categories of salvage etc etc, we're so tightly regulated it's unbelievable.
If people can steal cars and race them without being questioned, there's obviously a hole in the regulations. Which is understandable, since the majority of these laws are there to prevent and/or detect crime, not to protect vehicle owers from crime. I think that is a serious failing on the part of the government, and it's a problem we should ALL work towards solving.
It wouldn't be difficult for race organisers to check VIN plates and V5s for all race cars. No VIN or no V5 - no race. Obviously if this were law you couldn't single out banger racing though, it'd have to cover all formulas, which would be a pain in the case of hillclimbing, single seaters and other formulas where the cars aren't or have never been road registered.
However if the banger racing community really want to stamp out the criminal element, this is something the organising bodies should seriously consider. It gives vehicle owners a certain level of protection and peace of mind, and would allow the racers to prove they're running legitimately. While nobody's asking questions, these stories will continue to crop up and debates like this are going to rage on and on.
And I really think the banger racers NEED to take action... One team has been known to run classic cars with the slogan "You store 'em, we chore 'em" painted down the side. Come on guys, they may be the minority, but they're representing YOUR sport.
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I have deleted Wilko's account at his request. I am sad to see him go as he has positively contributed to this forum, he hasn't just popped up on banger threads, but has been active in other general discussions.
Perhaps we can have a more level headed response and maybe then together we can get something done.
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Even through the heated debate, Lee (can't remember forum name) and TC222 have joined up and been level headed. Great work and welcome.
You know what I have loosely pondered banger racing myself, but I would be put off a fair bit now with some individuals on the scene.
Theres a lot of suspicious thefts going on and some uncannily similar cars turning up in the races, not saying thats where they are all going though, cos there is more dodgy stuff going on. Its a pity wilco and others are leaving and getting annoyed with members being upset that our cars are getting nicked. We do need to work and play together if any progress is going to be taken, keep an eye out, check out dodgy scallys offering an £100 decent american tax exempt car etc etc.
Noone wants to weigh down their fun hobby by becoming the theft warden in the club but keeping an eye out is easy enough and expecting a V5 in most cases. We can work together i'm sure. and the origin of the Datsun and the Plymouth should be traced back, without doubt!
Eyes peeled for a Mk2 Cortina...
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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