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Oct 19, 2007 16:38:09 GMT
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Looking good, as always! Shame the exhaust don't fit mate, but at least a custom one will do exactly what you need it to.  If you find a good place let me know I'm going to need a system for the 'scort soon! Yep it means I can get a proper "Bunch of Bananas" done for it with decent primary lengths As for yours, have a look on Turbosport or 105speed, Neil M has just had a Zetec "Hot rod style" manifold done by Piper and it looks absolutely superb...... tell him I sent you  |
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Oct 19, 2007 16:40:44 GMT
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£1k on an exhaust where in the hell did that happen??
there is no way anywhere will cost anything like that for an exhaust, titanium is expensive but not that expensive bloody hell
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Oct 19, 2007 16:48:40 GMT
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Still loving this project, inspiring build  Agree re the exhaust, it's a shame because it's so trick but i'm sure once sold the money from it will go towards even greater trickness |
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Oct 19, 2007 16:54:48 GMT
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For phoenixescort : Neil at 105speed.com if you want one    Stainless "Introductry price of £245+VAT Carriage is £10 Even come with a lambda sensor boss as standard..." Get it bought fella ;D |
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Oct 19, 2007 17:07:40 GMT
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£1k on an exhaust where in the hell did that happen?? there is no way anywhere will cost anything like that for an exhaust, titanium is expensive but not that expensive bloody hell Yep, thats if you can find one ;D Its a genuine "Works" STI rear Box as fitted to S203 or S204, full titanium, all the hangers, all the box internals everything, its about 4` long and weighs about 1.5kg  ;D A pair of Titanium Termignoni "Silencers" (I use the term very loosely ) for my Ducati were £675 with a huge discount about 6 years ago and theres a lot more work and Titanium in this.... my Akrapovic Titanium system for my CRF450 has less material and much smaller and that Retails at £650 ;D Have a look at the price of Gruppe-M systems if you want a better Idea..... their BMW M3 Back box is over £1200  |
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Oct 19, 2007 17:37:54 GMT
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akrapovic are curse word
we make full stainless systems including hydroformed manifolds for aston for a sight cheaper than that, in fact when i come to zetec-s my fez il hopefully be able to get one at manufacturing cost, which would be around £200, but thats for a bent manifold not hydroformed.
titanium isnt that good for an exhaust, cant cope with as much heat as stainless
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Oct 19, 2007 19:45:31 GMT
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akrapovic are curse word titanium isnt that good for an exhaust, cant cope with as much heat as stainless Well you would say that working for CLF/Micron You still doing those rusty "Stainless" TVR manifolds as well  You make a stainless exhaust of the same gauge as My Ti Akro and see how long it lasts and I have never seen anything come out of Micron that comes close to the quality let alone power of an Akrapovic Stainless work hardens and cracks, so to combat it you need to use a much thicker gauge steel and/or T304, Ti does work harden as well but its much much better than Stainless in that respect ;D |
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Oct 19, 2007 20:14:03 GMT
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micron are bike exhausts, i work for clf
we make exhausts for aston martin, bentley and mclaren, so cant be too bad. most of the designs are done by the companies themselves, i personally don't know anything about akro, but i have heard quite a bit about them being curse word. but then maybe thats just our office. most of the stainless we use is 304, some 441 and some new stuff 321. we have been looking at titanium and sytainless for the new mclaren car, and titanium will melt if we use it for that car, stainless wont ;D
all i was saying is i think you have been 'had' spending that much on a ti exhaust, not trying to cause an arguement, stainless works just aswell, but the weight of yours is pretty impressive
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Oct 19, 2007 20:51:12 GMT
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micron are bike exhausts, I work for clf we make exhausts for aston martin, bentley and mclaren, so cant be too bad. most of the designs are done by the companies themselves, I personally don't know anything about akro, but I have heard quite a bit about them being curse word. but then maybe thats just our office. most of the stainless we use is 304, some 441 and some new stuff 321. we have been looking at titanium and sytainless for the new mclaren car, and titanium will melt if we use it for that car, stainless wont ;D all I was saying is I think you have been 'had' spending that much on a ti exhaust, not trying to cause an arguement, stainless works just aswell, but the weight of yours is pretty impressive CLF and Micron are part of the same company ;D and you have both done work for me before Akrapovic often gets confused with Scorpion (Because of the Logo) Scorpion in derby are a CLF competitor which is probably where the confusion and slagging off comes from Akrapovic in the Czech Republic make the exhausts for pretty much every Moto GP and Superbike team (Despite what the Stickers on the cans may say ) they get that work through results nothing else ;D As for the McLaren, Titanium wouldnt melt at the kind of EGT`s that a Gasoline engine develops, if it did then it wouldnt be used for inlet and exhaust valves ;D which see the temperature under pressure and while moving at huge speeds Or indeed for Bike Header pipes and systems I am surprised you don't use Inconel (Which is almost as light as Ti ) but a lot stronger and able to withstand much higher temperatures than Stainless as well. the problem with it is, its such a pain to work with as its so hard, that and the hideous cost of course As for what I spent on "My" Ti exhaust, £1000 is what it would cost to buy f you could find one........ I never said thats what I paid for it ;D ;D I can assure you I definately wasn`t "Had" |
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Oct 19, 2007 21:03:42 GMT
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we use whatever material the customer wants, we(micron) also make moto gp cans, they are hydroformed.
i know CLF and Micron are the same company, they are actually called exhaust technologies limited. also Magnex is part of our company, but it is not the same company, just on the same premises, its a strange set up. the temps in the mclaren car are too hot for titanium, its a fact, they exit temps are over 800 celcius, thats from the trim
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Oct 19, 2007 21:57:07 GMT
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Moto GP "Style" cans which are very nice, but to my knowledge Micron do not supply any of the current Moto GP Bikes on the grid the temps in the mclaren car are too hot for titanium, its a fact, they exit temps are over 800 celcius, thats from the trim Temperature will not be the reason for using a material other than Ti, or rather concern about Melting the exhaust wont be the primary factor, its more likely to be a desire to keep the heat in the exhaust for Fast CAT light off to meet emissions, which is what Hydroformed twin skin manifolds are very good at doing. TI Radiates a lot of heat which is not good on a production car where you are trying to maximise EGT`s on startup, or for the rest of the engine bay components Quite happy to continue this discussion in a seperate thread if you wish but it now has wandered off topic and has very little to do with my Kadett ;D Cheers Dom |
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;D
and a very nice kadett it is, good luck with the build, looking forward to seeing it shift like a shifting thing ;D
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Oct 21, 2007 10:52:25 GMT
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I just caught up with this build. Awesome. The level time, effort and attention to detail is something that I wish I could achieve! Top marks, really can't wait to see this one hit the road!  |
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Oct 21, 2007 21:22:43 GMT
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BORED ! Glad you agree... The Kadett is the star here I keep thinking there's been an actual update... Awesome build - more pics please ! Rob Moto GP "Style" cans which are very nice, but to my knowledge Micron do not supply any of the current Moto GP Bikes on the grid the temps in the mclaren car are too hot for titanium, its a fact, they exit temps are over 800 celcius, thats from the trim Temperature will not be the reason for using a material other than Ti, or rather concern about Melting the exhaust wont be the primary factor, its more likely to be a desire to keep the heat in the exhaust for Fast CAT light off to meet emissions, which is what Hydroformed twin skin manifolds are very good at doing. TI Radiates a lot of heat which is not good on a production car where you are trying to maximise EGT`s on startup, or for the rest of the engine bay components Quite happy to continue this discussion in a seperate thread if you wish but it now has wandered off topic and has very little to do with my Kadett ;D Cheers Dom |
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Oct 23, 2007 10:35:22 GMT
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Well Rob there has been a lot going on behind the scenes but not a lot of photos to show The false floor and new pedals are in now though   Just need to make a Throttle pedal and a clutch foot rest to finish, as well as finding some master cylinders and plumbing it in Cheers Dom |
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Oct 23, 2007 10:42:40 GMT
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False floor...Do you have little legs?  *n (has to sit with his shoulders past the B-pillars in a Shuv :/ *n |
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Oct 23, 2007 11:01:12 GMT
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False floor...Do you have little legs? *n (has to sit with his shoulders past the B-pillars in a Shuv :/ *n I Do but its also to raise the pedals up so they can go forwards as well, space for Master cylinders was a bit tight against the bulkhead / sloping front floor It`ll do for now..... if I keep it then an AP racing pedal box will find its way in there I think |
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tigran
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Oct 23, 2007 11:18:33 GMT
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This project is just stunning! On another note is that 'supercharged' script off jaguar supercharged cars?
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Oct 23, 2007 12:14:47 GMT
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This project is just stunning! On another note is that 'supercharged' script off jaguar supercharged cars? Cheers Fella Yes the Chargecooler Brick started out as an XJR V8 RH Chargecooler ;D Its had the end tanks remade, the outlets are all new and form the inlet manifold and it now has a Bypass on it as well, so basically teh top and brick are all thats left of the original Jag cooler It also uses the standard Jaguar sliding Sealing arrangement, which allows for the differential movement between the charger(Which is fixed to the block and the Cooler which is fixed to the Head ;D HTH Dom |
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Oct 23, 2007 12:25:04 GMT
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Every time I learn something new about this car it just gets better and better. Love the pedal setup mate looks very trick and should be really nice to use. I would ask why you didn't make a little extention to the footwell to fit the masters into but I know the answer will involve either the exhaust or the fact its so much cooler to sit low and level with the B-pilar So not fair though, this thing is already showing up pretty much everyone elses car up on here and its still in bits! |
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If you find a good place let me know I'm going to need a system for the 'scort soon!
