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May 15, 2012 22:07:11 GMT
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Dez
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May 15, 2012 22:27:46 GMT
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ive already got enough of those to do the setup with em james, only thing is the inlet is about 1/2" further back, so id have to make up a new floor section to accomidate. my other idea was something like this- make up a 'wing' to go on top of each cap, get 3 steel caps, braze em on.
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Last Edit: May 15, 2012 22:28:14 GMT by Dez
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May 15, 2012 22:40:47 GMT
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only thing is the inlet is about 1/2" further back, so id have to make up a new floor section to accomidate. Ah, that is a pain. I like the wings, though. ;D Also, are your feet going to fall down the holes? Can't tell from that angle.
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Dez
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May 15, 2012 22:53:02 GMT
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nah, me feet do kinda sit over them, or just behind, but its only a 60mm hole, so even if you do rest your heels in em its like having a 'heel holder' i do have some dzus ive been looking to use though, so a nice little removable cover may be in order as well. next problem may actually be finding steel caps. ive got 3 plastic, two ally, and one steel one. you can get plastic or ally new, but not steel.
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May 15, 2012 23:01:50 GMT
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nah, me feet do kinda sit over them, or just behind, but its only a 60mm hole, so even if you do rest your heels in em its like having a 'heel holder' ;D I like the plans (and the rest of the build too ). Hope you find the steel caps.
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Dez
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May 15, 2012 23:05:36 GMT
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The thing with your A is that it's lots of little epic engineering projects all in one place. The problem is that it's all cunningly disguised as a car. i almost missed that post dave, youre damn right with that. the trick is getting continuity between all the 'little projects'. probably why ive redone so much of it to get that!
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Dez
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May 15, 2012 23:14:57 GMT
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nah, me feet do kinda sit over them, or just behind, but its only a 60mm hole, so even if you do rest your heels in em its like having a 'heel holder' ;D I like the plans (and the rest of the build too ). Hope you find the steel caps. well, I'm up to two. rusty victor has got one on. yes i have jsut been out in the yard at midnight with a torch to find that out
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May 15, 2012 23:20:38 GMT
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well, I'm up to two. rusty victor has got one on. Yay! yes I have jsut been out in the yard at midnight with a torch to find that out Dedication to the cause. ;D
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Em
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Fantstic, inspirational stuff! Looking really, really good!
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what about 2 dimples drilled into each cap, and a fancy 'key' to twist them, like on an angle grinder?
loving this thread btw, absolutely incredible imagination with the skill to back it up
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Davenger
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May 16, 2012 13:04:30 GMT
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what about 2 dimples drilled into each cap, and a fancy 'key' to twist them, like on an angle grinder? loving this thread btw, absolutely incredible imagination with the skill to back it up On the reservoir caps? Surely you'd lose all your braking preassure
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May 16, 2012 13:12:52 GMT
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There's a valve in the MC which lifts off it's seat when the pedal is at it's highest. This allows any loss to be made up from the reservoir.
When you press the pedal, the valve closes, shutting off the connection to the reservior, and the pressure is contained in the now-closed hydraulic system.
So having a hole in the cap won't lose your braking pressure. In fact, it's important to have a small vent hole, otherwise the brakes bind when the fluid heats and expands a little.
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Last Edit: May 16, 2012 13:13:49 GMT by jrevillug
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MrSpeedy
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May 16, 2012 13:14:46 GMT
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The fluid reservoirs' are not under any pressure Could you not 'clad' those extended plastic ones in some thin gauge Aluminium? Or even make some custom lids from Ali bar stock
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Dez
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May 16, 2012 13:28:58 GMT
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what about 2 dimples drilled into each cap, and a fancy 'key' to twist them, like on an angle grinder? loving this thread btw, absolutely incredible imagination with the skill to back it up its not a bad idea, but id no doubt lose the tool. theres also the issue iof dirt ingress.
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May 16, 2012 13:46:08 GMT
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what about 2 dimples drilled into each cap, and a fancy 'key' to twist them, like on an angle grinder? loving this thread btw, absolutely incredible imagination with the skill to back it up its not a bad idea, but id no doubt lose the tool. theres also the issue iof dirt ingress. dimples rather than holes, i'm sure you'd make it a very cool keyring as mentioned above by mr speedy, a suitable / modded cap bonded to/over the existing cap would get rid of the thread issues, you could save the metal cap for something else and just use the readily available plastic ones
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Dez
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May 16, 2012 13:54:00 GMT
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dave/james/mr.speedy- yeah, as noted, the reservoirs don't hold pressure at all, in fact, they have a tiny (About 1mm) hole in the centre as standard to prevent the cap airlocking and not allowing it to pull fluid through. I did think about covers for the placcy ones, but covering the lid and container separately would be a right faff, not to mention them being 20 quid each, and me needing 3. they're as much as the master cyls are! the other issue is theyll actually stick up above the floor level. I found I had a scabby old one on the victor- as disc braked cars had em due to the increased fluid displaced with pad wear on discs over shoe wear on drums. so robbed that to try. heres a normal cap- and how far under floor level it sits. pretty much exactly 1"- here it is with the extra capacity cap on. spot the problem- they're over 2" tall. and due to the design, cant really be shortened- plus, the caps are smaller so I think you can only get placcy ones. ive done some more investigating this morning and found out the missus 100e has steel master cyl caps too, so I now actually have enough- and I think I'm going to proceed with the brazed-on 'wings' idea. the only real purpose is to afford some purchase to unscrew the caps, as its still easy enough to top the cyls up even though they sit lower, so a little shaped up 3-4"-1" tall wing across the top of each should be fine, and still sit below floor level. should look quite cool too
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Last Edit: May 16, 2012 13:56:53 GMT by Dez
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MrSpeedy
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May 16, 2012 14:32:27 GMT
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I see your issue with them poking through. That would look a little odd.
The matching 'wing nut' caps will look far neater
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May 16, 2012 14:36:17 GMT
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didn't realise the plaggi caps were so tall, glad you found some more
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May 16, 2012 17:28:01 GMT
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What about fitting a hose to the caps and having remote reservoirs? I'm not a fan of such small capacities. plus having them remote mounted allows for better visual inspection.
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May 17, 2012 12:27:34 GMT
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This looks absolutely amazing Dez! I'm loving the way that so much of the engineering of this car will be on show. The reservoir caps peeking through flared holes in the floor is just perfect. GeezerGarage, they're not really that small in capacity. Remember that there are two master cylinders, so one whole reservoir for each brake circuit. Most dual-circuit divided reservoirs are smaller than that.
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