Andrew
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if it got 600bhp it can't be group s, coz group s shares the same rules as wrc now, so it would have to have been 300bhp
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Andrew
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here is lancia's group s car, the ecv   Group S was the class planned to replace the Group B cars. FISA was planning Group S because they wanted a class to allow manufacturers to develop futuristic, prototype cars. The homologation requirement for Group S was only ten cars, but the cars were limited to 300 horsepower. Oddly, these rules are very similar to today's WRC class, which has a maximum of 300 horsepower and requires 20 copies. Group S never got off the ground, though. When Henri Toivonen died, FISA hastily cancelled plans for Group S, leaving the interested manufacturers stuck with prototypes that could never be driven. The Group A cars became the flagship cars for the manufacturers left in rallying following the death of Group B. The cancellation of Group S wasn't really necessary, since the cars were restricted to 300 horsepower, but FISA cancelled it anyways. Not much is known about Group S because Group S never got the chance to compete in the World Rally Championship. The class would have been very interesting to watch because it was aimed towards futuristic cars. Some of the prototypes being developed looked very interesting. Lancia's prototype, called the ECV, looked like the S4 except it was red and it was smaller. Audi announced that they were planning a Group S car called the 002 Quattro. Ford also stated that the RS200 was to be developed into a Group S competitor. Group S would have been an interesting class to watch as it developed |
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Last Edit: Feb 1, 2005 10:04:39 GMT by Andrew
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quick quote from shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/Mkirace.htm about the toyota some sites say it was destined for group B (http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/toyota.html) but most places say it was planned for group S Toyota Team Europe (TTE) also felt this way about the Mr2's potential as a rally winner and as a result created the most fearsome MKI Mr2 ever created. At the time of the Mr2s introduction, Group B rallying was a huge success in international rallying with many manufactures churning out 600+ HP AWD rally monsters in an all out bid for the FIA championship. In addition to these cars, a new proposed Group S category was created that was to be inaugurated in 1988. It was for this class that the Group S Mr2 rally car was built. A ground up development was started and with 600+Hp and AWD, the car resembled the Mr2 in appearance only. Nevertheless it was still a great site to behold, and something to be proud of as an Mr2 owner.
There were three produced, one with the engine mounted transversely with RWD, and two with the engine mounted longitudinally. One of these was RWD while the other was AWD using a custom gearbox manufactured by Xtrac. Both were not true Group S cars however, as the Group S rules limited engine capacity to 1.2L. Instead they were a sort of hybrid Group B / Group S cars. One was designed for tarmac rallies, while the other was suited to gravel rallies. Only one of these cars has survived to the present day, as two of them were destroyed in testing.
All three motors were turbocharged, and had a displacement of 2.0 L. While not known for sure, I am guessing that this could have been the either 4T-GT as used in the celica rally car preceding it, or it possibly could have been the famous 503E used in the GTP cars. Unfortunately this car was never to prove its worth as both the Group B and Group S categories were scrapped due to safety concerns that arose after seeing speeds and fatalities increase to an unprecedented level. |
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another cool car here not group B but what would have been group S if the regs had allowed it. Toyota`s MR2 space framed thing with 600BHP. Damn shame it never got into the forests.Toyota did race this though.....  Celica GR. B I got this one as a tamiya r/c car! |
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Best Group B CarDarrenW
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another cool car here not group B but what would have been group S if the regs had allowed it. Toyota`s MR2 space framed thing with 600BHP. Damn shame it never got into the forests.   I was reading about that in an old CCC the other day! it looks very MR2-like but I think it existed a few years earlier, can't remember ;D I'm sure I've read in the past about a 4WD Group-S Opel Kadett too. That would've been interesting! |
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Last Edit: Feb 2, 2005 16:47:40 GMT by DarrenW
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didn't martin schanche take that opel rallycrossing?
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Andrew
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thought martin schanche always had fords
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Curt
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Its a shame the poll on my site wasnt this popular.
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yer I can only remember him in fords as well.
He used to be really funny when he was losing and went off in a huff ;D ;D
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) , when my non-car loving mates see it they think its some kind of chav mobile! If only they could be taken down a dirt road at full chat in it 
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