chapel
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I'm from America, so the CLOSEST thing we got to a Cossie Sierra was the Merkur XR4ti which was a 2.3L Turbo Pinto. So, what is the general thoughts on them across the pond? I LOVE this: Are they reliable? Something like this in America would catch everyone's eye (even though it kinda looks like a Ford Taurus...)
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RetroMat
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I think they are great, I’ve always liked Sierras I prefer the original 3 door over the Saff:
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chapel
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I dig the hatch but there's something oddly sleeperish about the sedan. It's got a nice line to it.
How reliable are those YBTs?
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Having driven both a 4x4 road car and a 2wd gravel stage car, I have to conceed that I don't like them very much Kinda gutting really, as when I was young this was a car I aspired to. I can't quite put my finger on what I didn't like - of course they were scarily fast, but just felt, uh, sloppy. Probably due to the "sierra-ness".....
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GJM
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The cossies kick ass, especialy the one in which some mad bloke gets one to 400-600bhp in Fast and Performance Ford mag. True the general Sierra-ness handling isnt all that good but with some good sprins, shocks, axels etc they can make very good track cars indeed. However, the RS500 has to be the daddy, so named RS500 because the original race car had 500bhp the road car still has this potential, its just locked up however there are a lot of people out there with their full powered 500bhp ford monster ;D
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Jan 28, 2005 10:26:50 GMT
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i love cossies! I'd have to have an RS500 (you're right GJM.. they came with the second row of injectors unconnected to restrict power... fairly easy to get it back up to full capabilities!) for showing off and then a sapphire (the saloon version in your pics chapel, the RS500 is the same shape as the original hatch cossie third pic down) for day-to-day use. they're just cool, you don't even need to drive them fast as it's well known what it can do, no need to show off. it's like having a £3000 wallet, you don't need to open it up to show off your cash - it's just there nice and reliable, cos it's a ford (no i'm serious - anything sold through a main dealer has to have some form of reliability, we're not talking bodged together), don't need rebuilds every 50 miles like some 'supercars' but will still kick ass at 15 years old.
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Never trust a man Who names himself Trevor. Or one day you might find He's not a real drug dealer.
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Nathan
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Jan 28, 2005 10:48:49 GMT
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Pardon the Chav Site but a guy i know owns this
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2005 16:48:53 GMT by Nathan
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The Roadie
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Jan 28, 2005 11:01:02 GMT
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They kick ass. My brother said that a Sapphire wasn't brilliant to drive either, not rigid enough. Though my mate who is sitting next to me said that his dad said that his old Sphire 4WD went round the twisties better than his current 325i Coupe. Well I still want Escort RS Cosworth, I've wanted one since I was little. Anyone seen Getway In Stockholm 2 with the Cossie? Enough to make you want one for sure.
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Jan 28, 2005 11:37:33 GMT
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I love the original Whale tail cossie for its eighties lairyness and I like the Sapphires for their subtle 'Q' car looks. I've never actually been in one, though an XR4x4 I drove once felt pretty good.
If I was in the market for a 4wd rally weapon, i'd deffinately have an Escort Cosworth over and Evo or Subaru.
A mate of mine worked at Cosworth Racing (Cosworth is now two companies Cosworth Racing - owned by ford and Cosworth Technology owned by Audi) Apparently Keith Duckworth's own original RS500 shaped Sierra is still at the factory in Northampton.
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Jan 28, 2005 13:51:07 GMT
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Jan 28, 2005 13:57:52 GMT
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All my mates have had XR4i's, & saphire cossies. ones even had a US ti version, & the 5door South African Mk1 sierra XR8 but the 3 door will always be the nicer Same for me though, the daddy is always the RS500
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"Living on dreams & Custard Creams"
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GJM
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Jan 28, 2005 14:04:40 GMT
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I've always wanted an XR6 ;D for thoes that don't know what one is, it was Fords answer to a Cortina XR model. Think it had a 3.0 if i remember
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chapel
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Jan 28, 2005 15:38:10 GMT
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I wish we had better importation laws here I'd snag one.
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Jan 28, 2005 16:31:58 GMT
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I love the 3-door Cosworth and of course the RS500. I'm not as keen on the Sapphire saloon - I guess it must be too new for me at the minute... I'm sure it'll grow on me as time goes on! They had the T5 gearbox didn't they? Same as the US Mustang - pretty unbreakable gearbox!! I've never heard of any reliability issues, although Sierras did tend to rot pretty quick!
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Jan 28, 2005 17:01:08 GMT
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I wish we had better importation laws here I'd snag one. Whats the difficulty ? , i stumbled across a site a while back about an American bloke who'd taken his home with him ( a 3 door hatch ) and he didn't mention any bother......
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Last Edit: Jan 28, 2005 17:01:52 GMT by Thrasher
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MWF
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Jan 28, 2005 17:55:30 GMT
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They are the schnizzle.
The YB was almost a bit of an accident. Cosworth were developing a 16v head conversion for the, at the time, tired Pinto engine. Ford litterally stumbled upon it during a tour of the factory which lead to them co-developing a 16v engine between Ford and Cosworth, the project later changed to a turbo charged engine when Ford decided they wanted to win the touring car champion ships.
The 3dr Sierra Cosworth was built first, then the RS500, the 2wd Sapphire, the 4x4 Saphire and then the Escort Cosworth. All 5 varients being based on the same floorpan design.
The RS500's were all handbuilt by Tickford and had some minor changes, font bumper is different, rear wing is different, and extra lower lip. The engine had a stronger block, fantastic intercooler, 8 injectors but only ran 4. The rumors about being able to tune a RS500 to 500bhp without major work are untrue. The actual motorsport cars were dramatically different, especially in the drivetrain area utilising such thigsas an 8" motorsport diff which was offset to one side.
The best road car was probably the later small turbo Escort Cosworth.
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Jan 28, 2005 18:10:29 GMT
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I thought the 500 bit came from the fact that only 500 were made. Or am I just dreaming again?
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Jan 28, 2005 18:15:58 GMT
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RS500's are the Daddies of all Cars imo, the 3-door is nice as is the Saff and the Escort but for me it has to be the RS500 all the way an iconic car that I will own one day (even if it was only for a day) ;D
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Jan 28, 2005 18:19:20 GMT
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I think the RS500 was called that because they only made 500 of them, or that was the plan in any case, but I think 500 were made, unlike some homologation specials, like the Audi Quattro or Lancia Delta Intergrale, that were actually made in large numbers although they didn't have to be, but the RS 500 stayed a rare car. Actually I've only ever seen one and it was at a show, I suppose very few of them ever got used as ordinary road cars, most of them were probably converted to race cars by privateers.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Jan 28, 2005 18:23:02 GMT
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Someone wrote one off while my mates were watching it street racing at Southend, I'm so glad I wasn't there, i'd have cryed
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