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Mar 21, 2008 21:00:52 GMT
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One other consideration here - using proper biodiesel, like I am, I've heard that it is particularly good at rotting rubber pipes and seals thanks to the methanol content. Anyone got any experience of this? Pre-1990 cars are meant to be worst for it. I'm expecting trouble to strike with my Merc at some point but don't really see the point in worrying about it until something goes wrong.
Oh and we're set for a cold spell so if you're running the veggie oil, you might want to up the mineral diesel/petrol mix! I've just put 25 litres of bio in the Merc but have left enough room for mineral stuff if needed!
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Mar 21, 2008 21:17:33 GMT
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My mk3 fiesta had a lucas pump running a 3/4 mix and had no problems.Also i need to see some pics of that mini/115 hybrid thing,sounds good.
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Mar 21, 2008 22:45:22 GMT
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You should be fine with that, it's been mentioned quite a bit on French Car Forum. None of my local Tescos seem to stock it mind you.
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You should be fine with that, it's been mentioned quite a bit on French Car Forum. None of my local Tescos seem to stock it mind you. Thats great news! (not about you not being able to find it...) Try Tesco Online as my local does not always have it but the online orders come from a store that is miles away! Rysz.
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Don't forget that by using veg oil and not paying the fuel tax on it, (which is the whole point, I understand) you're depriving our wonderful government of all that lovely tax they like taking from us. It's a very naughty activity and if you get caught, they'll spank your bottom quite hard!
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If you make your own 'biodiesel' you don't have to pay tax on it up to 2000 litres (IIRC).
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madmog
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Mar 22, 2008 10:22:41 GMT
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It's 2500l and veg oil counts although it's not biodiesel.
There was quite a bit of tussling last year between producers and the VAT man over a fuel substitute being 'diesel quality'. You used to have to account for every litre used and the reduced rate was 27p for biodiesel but 47p if it wasn't Biodiesel you can put straight in the tank, veg oil may need to be mixed with diesel (or biodiesel) pre-heated and if waste oil, filtered and de-watered.
I've just bunged in 35 litres in my Merc to give me an approx 75% mix and it's running fine at 0-1degC ;D
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Last Edit: Mar 22, 2008 10:23:17 GMT by madmog
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Mar 22, 2008 10:50:54 GMT
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So if you're buying new cooking oil, legally, will it suffice to keep the receipts and make sure you don't go over 2500 litres per year?
Ferg
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Mar 22, 2008 10:53:38 GMT
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So if you're buying new cooking oil, legally, will it suffice to keep the receipts and make sure you don't go over 2500 litres per year? Ferg Yeah, but it's farcical when you think about it. How can they prove you've not bought 5000 litres and thrown half the receipts away? Also, 2500 litres @ 45mpg = 25000 miles!
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Mar 22, 2008 11:10:55 GMT
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Cool, thanks for the info. I'm not doubting anyone, but I'd love to see some more info from an official site or something. From speaking to people, I'd heard that you need to be registered as a fuel producer if you're going to put veg oil in your tank. I can't be arsed to make my own but I'm happy to put new oil in my tank if I'm clear on the law
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Mar 22, 2008 11:23:24 GMT
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Technically, you should still declare and pay the VAT on the veg oil, as there is no VAT on food stuffs but obviously there is on fuel. However, I think this has really come about because trying to police it before was just a nightmare.
Economics aren't that interesting to me so I'm putting treated waste veg oil in my Merc, costs a little less than mineral but allows me to be a happy hippy using a waste product rather than dino crushings to power my mighty Merc.
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Mar 22, 2008 20:16:09 GMT
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Mar 22, 2008 21:22:25 GMT
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Does anyone have a veg oil friendly car for sale atm?
I'm looking for a cheap run about with a bit of test to have a play with.
Car would ideally be in the northwest
Cheers
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Mar 30, 2008 20:09:36 GMT
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says: # small producers have been exempted from the requirement to register, to submit returns, and to pay excise duty on the biofuel that they produce, provided this is less than 2,500 litres per annum. # exempt producers are required to keep records of their production and retain them for six years. They have to make entry/register their production premises, when their production exceeds or is expected to exceed 2,500 litres in any 12 month period, and to pay duty on all the biofuel they produce from the date of registration. So, keep your receipts and enjoy the benefits of cheap fuel! Thanks Ferg
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Mar 30, 2008 20:13:02 GMT
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Make sure the fuel parts are bosch, otherwise you might have trouble (lucas parts WILL give up the ghost)
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Mar 30, 2008 20:47:44 GMT
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Or a Merc engine which has a different pump again. Its pump is lubricated with engine oil rather than relying on the diesel to lubricate it so is fairly robust.
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Mar 30, 2008 21:04:55 GMT
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Got another load of bio today. However, the fuel injectors appear to be leaking which hints that the biodiesel is causing the seals to perish I guess.
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Mar 30, 2008 21:07:46 GMT
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Does anyone have a veg oil friendly car for sale atm? I'm looking for a cheap run about with a bit of test to have a play with. Car would ideally be in the northwest Cheers Rawy you looking for one now or this summer maybe? I'm using my 1994 Sunny (with mega comfy Quattro front seats!) as a runabout (on 50/50 veg oil & diesel) but might be wiling to sell if something interesting came up especially in part ex. I'm in Blackpool, btw.
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2003 Suzuki Wagon R+. Feel the POWAAARRRR!!! 1968 Volvo 142. My street/strip car. Currently fubarred, it will run one day. 1971 Volvo 142. Parts car. Stripped and gone. 1993 Nissan Sunny diesel. Runs on cooking oil! [/UR
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Mar 30, 2008 21:30:46 GMT
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Make sure the fuel parts are bosch, otherwise you might have trouble (lucas parts WILL give up the ghost) 1988 Toyota Master Ace with a 2C-T 2 litre turbo engine. Not sure what make the pump is though Ferg
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