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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Carter
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Bloody hells, thats grim... morning AK Got to say though, tricked out powerful cars in the hands of 'learners' is a dodgy combination. That said, if your not used to a car then it don't matter how long youve been driving, things can get out of hand- had a go in a modified Impreza Sti a few weeks ago, scared meself silly.
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markbognor
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Teanage drivers kill themselves and others everyday in sub 1000cc hatch backs, its little surprise that a few who are in the position to buy something powerful do.
I count myself lucky that i made it through my teenage driving years.
The massive difference in actual and percieved driving skill is usually to blame.
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miaspa
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I like to think of it as natural selection, glad I started out in a 126.
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Found my flashing Pao again.
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bazzateer
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I like to think of it as natural selection, glad I started out in a 126. Not sure the families of the 5 kids would agree with you.
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1968 Singer Chamois Sport 1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport 1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2 1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome 2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily) 2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily) 2007 BMW 530d Touring M Sport (tow car)
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Tim
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First car was a worn out diesel 106, slow isnt the word for it
still had a few scary moments in it
I spotted that thread on pistonheads - its the bit where he talks about ramping up all the settings to maximum that set peoples mindsa worrying - then 3 hrs later...
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does sound damn worrying..
altho having said that, i was only 20/21 when i was driving a warmed up 3.5 rover v8 that i put in a relatively light car. taught me a LOT about car control and not having to drive like an idiot, even if a 3 cylinder corsa hovercraft is trying to 'race' you.
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bstardchild
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I spotted that thread on pistonheads - its the bit where he talks about ramping up all the settings to maximum that set peoples mindsa worrying - then 3 hrs later... Very sad isn't it I think (and I'm sorry to say it) the parents have to bear some responsibility too
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bstardchild
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Tim
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I spotted that thread on pistonheads - its the bit where he talks about ramping up all the settings to maximum that set peoples mindsa worrying - then 3 hrs later... Very sad isn't it I think (and I'm sorry to say it) the parents have to bear some responsibility too definetely! Just handing over a 500bhp, 200mph car to an inexperienced driver? Foolish in the extreme. I know people can be killed in a 600cc runabout, but just dumping your foot in that is a whole world apart from dumping your foot in an M5
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Never even driven a manual car before! I realise that isn't uncommon in the US, but it hardly says "skilled driver" does it?
Me, I don't think there is anything wrong with young inexperienced drivers in fast cars... Just so long as they are frightening cars that make it clear they can kill you. A modern sports saloon like an M5 won't give you much warning. In a car like that, it just doesn't FEEL fast.
An M5 with all the computer protections turned on, you won't know you are being stupid until it is too late. Turn them off however, and you will get a BIG shock at what happens without traction control and skid control to compensate for sheer lack of skill.
So there he is, leathering along at well over the ton, unaware of his braking distance, unaware of just what the laws of physics can do to a car at that velocity, because it FEELS quiet and planted... And probably with all of the gadgets that could have saved him turned off.
Ouch.
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I've had cars fast enough to crash and die in, but so far I've managed to avoid doing it.. even as a yoof. Bit sobering, but it makes you wonder what goes through the minds of the people who let their kids buy stuff like that/buy stuff like that for their kids.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Tim
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So there he is, leathering along at well over the ton, unaware of his braking distance, unaware of just what the laws of physics can do to a car at that velocity I think thats all you need to say...
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ThePollitt
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Fix up, look... at that car on eBay!
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It's sobering stuff, that's for sure.
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Ignorance, not speed, kills.
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Seth
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Just a stupid waste of life
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Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Honestly, I have no sympathy at all for the driver. None whatsoever. He was behind the wheel of a car. You are sat in that seat, you are responsible for your actions. And the laws of physics WILL hold you responsible. A person should not be capable of growing old enough to reach the accelerator without having learnt this.
I feel sorry for his passengers. They made a mistake in judgement by getting in that car, and that got them killed. The stupidest thing they did, was trust their friend.
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street
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Jan 30, 2008 10:22:13 GMT
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Very nasty stuff, it is sobering indeed.
Am I reading it right that he was on an airstrip when he crashed? If that's the case then I don't think we're giving the deceased enough credit for taking his high speed shenanigans off the highway and onto private land. If he'd been tearing down the highway at a ton-fifty I would have little sympathy, but to open your high performance car up on a (I'm assuming dis-used) airfield isn't half as wreckless.
Either way though, it was very irresponsible for the parents to have given him such a car, so the fault lies with them I think. But i'm sure they're feeling the guilt of that actions ten-fold right now TBH........
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twigzy
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In rust we trust
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Jan 30, 2008 10:29:05 GMT
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well that was a sobering read, feel sorry for the passengers, but reading through the forum funny how many people feel guilty about what they said, just goes tpo show we should all be nice to one another on here
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