perry
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my swmbos sisters puma has just cost £600 for a new clutch and flywheel a clutch for my escort or cortina would be about £40 ( I'm sure thats what i paid last time i got one ) fit it myself for free  as for the mpg , moderns arnt as great as everyone thinks and isnt that air con engine driven  i can wind a window down for nowt and if i was that bothered the puma lump can fit behind an aftermarket bellhousing to a type E , or if i was taking it too far the type 9 which is *spit* 5speed our interesting cars might lack the streamlined aerodynamics time has given the moderns but they weigh significantly more with all their electrickery so i call that even any car needs servicing and at least ours have a more leaniant mot . rust can effect nearly all cars and ive heard paxos wernt undersealed from new , hahaha for a few years ive wanted to take a mk2 cortina ( tax exempt ) and swap in a diesel and run it on pennys for tax veg oil . the money saved in tax ( both fuel and road rent ) will eventually have the car paying you back |
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as for the mpg , moderns arnt as great as everyone thinks and isnt that air con engine driven I can wind a window down for nowt its hardly the same though, is it. and i don't think its all that bad, my 2.2 w124 benz can manage 40mpg sitting at 80 with the aircon on full belt on a good motorway run, and 32 + round the doors. |
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slater
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I don't relly find MPG an issue. If you relly needed 50mpg then all you got to do is spend a bit on an ECU conversion and you will be there.
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Hirst
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Dec 23, 2007 10:07:11 GMT
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The only time I've ever really noticed mpg is on long motorway runs and I tend to get at least 50mpg (should I want it) by pottering along at 60mph with the lorries. If I had a diesel Astra I wouldn't need to do that, but I'd rather be doing 60mph than drive a diesel Astra, what's the big rush eh?
The difference between me buying a new car and an old one is thousands of pounds anyway, even if it did zero mpg I'd still not make up the difference. Just make sure your car is in fine fettle and it'll be alright!
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Dec 23, 2007 10:21:36 GMT
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MPG of moderns can be seriously impressive. We were getting 60mpg out of the Audi A3 in Denmark (mainly because the limit is 50mph on single carriageway roads!). None of my classics can match that although the 2CV did once manage 54mpg.
Dave - was thinking diesel might be the way to go for that very reason! As wifey is a bit of an environmentalist, using renewable fuel would be cool (let's just avoid thinking of the rainforest hacked back to allow space for biofuels!). The W123 is sure to go up in value in the next few years too - although thinking long term with cars for me is a waste of time! Another reason to avoid moderns - they tie you into contracts making it harder to change cars every five minutes. Where's the fun in that?
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Dec 23, 2007 11:30:14 GMT
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By way of an example, our old Mondeo used to do about 30mpg. It very rarely went wrong, repairs (as opposed to servicing which I'd do regardless of the car) in the 3 years we had it probably didn't come to more than about £150. However, we paid £3000 for it and got £600 when we sold it. £2400 down the bog for nowt in other words.
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Jaguar S-Type 3.0 SE
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Dec 23, 2007 12:46:51 GMT
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My merc cost me £220, costs £62 to insure, and has free tax, so far i have bought it 2 wiper blades and two tyres, it only does about 25mpg but it seems to be a pretty economical way to motor to me.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Ether
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Dec 23, 2007 12:54:51 GMT
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The W123 is sure to go up in value in the next few years too Absolutely. About six years ago I was browsing for W123s and found hundreds of 300Ds in great condition for about £600. You're looking at three times that these days. Get one bought! |
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bazzateer
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Dec 23, 2007 15:08:59 GMT
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Madge was bought for £550, LNK was free. Between them they have cost me around £350 to get/keep them on the road. Insurance for both (and another Imp) is £148/year fully comp, unlimited mileage and European breakdown cover. All are tax free. Parts are cheap and readily available.
My 'modern', a 1992 Toyota Previa costs £200/year to tax, the 2.4 litre is hardly frugal and insurance is £300/yr TPF+T. Parts are not cheap. As soon as I've replaced the discs/pads and moved home she'll be for sale. Great car mind you, just can't compete with the classics.
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1972 Sunbeam Imp Sport
1976 Datsun 260Z 2+2
1998 Peugeot Boxer Pilote motorhome
2003 Rover 75 1.8 Club SE (daily)
2006 MG ZT 190+ (another daily)
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Dec 23, 2007 16:23:55 GMT
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Just to take the Ital for an example, it cost nothing initially, but to get up to spec I suspect I've shovelled the thick end of £700 into it but I now have a car that runs on unleaded at about 30mpg+, costs £92 fully comp, £200 tax/year and I know it is now structurally and mechanically OK..... and if I should ever sell it, I should recoup most of what I have put into it. The GT has cost a shedload more, but then again that was my choice..... ;D
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored
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MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer...
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Can you see the theme?
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Dec 24, 2007 13:58:38 GMT
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MPG ain't all that, unless you are doing mega miles a year.
A while back I think it was the Sunday Times compared how it was cheaper to run an old luxury car (they used a Rover P5B 3500) than it was a brand new car (I think they used a Rover Mini). The P5 was credited with about 15MPG and the Mini with like 45 MPG. The Rover won over 5 years. Depreciation, cost of parts, cost of servicing (first two years at main agent for the Mini as it was under manufacturer warranty) etc etc etc.
OK you don't have to compare a £500 Morris Oxford with a £25K Mercedes to get the same result...
Compare insurance costs, parts, even tyres... even motor oil FFS... I know alad who paid an ectra £3000 or so for his new car because the miles he does the fact it was a longer service interval would pay more back than the £3K price difference over the 3 years he was plannig on keeping it. IIRC that was Audi A3 vs Ford Focus or some such. I care not.
When I daily'd the Oldsmobile people thought I was mad. "how can you afford to drive that?" they'd cry. at 15MPG its thirsty but not the end of the world, especially when I drive about 4, maybe 5 miles to work... Don;t forget the free road tax, cheap insurance, cheap parts... bargain.
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Hirst
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Dec 24, 2007 14:14:21 GMT
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I know alad who paid an ectra £3000 or so for his new car because the miles he does the fact it was a longer service interval would pay more back than the £3K price difference over the 3 years he was plannig on keeping it. Over £3000 of servicing?! Would love to see the service schedule for that. 3000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter, Air Filter 6000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter 9000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter, Air Filter 12000 Miles: Replace engine with new one made out of solid gold |
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Odin
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Dec 24, 2007 14:19:22 GMT
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Over £3000 of servicing?! Would love to see the service schedule for that. 3000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter, Air Filter 6000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter 9000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter, Air Filter 12000 Miles: Replace engine with new one made out of solid gold ROFLOLzors! ;D |
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Dec 24, 2007 15:26:52 GMT
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my car cost probably the same as the depreciation of a focus as it leaves the forcourt. MPG - its got a 1995 mondeo engine in it with a mappable ECU - if I want economy I can have it! ;D ;D the power to wieght should be greater than any the majoriity of performance cars out the box, 250bhp/ton should see off most of the exec cars, japs, hot hatches etc....... on another forum someone had to fork out £700 for a new HID headlight on there polo  thats like 1/4 of my budget so far! compared to a new car, if mine breaks, i know the exact price of the parts, probably blag it trade, knowing that i wont be charged £40 an hour labour to fix it........ my dads (company) mondeo got wrote off when he blew up the engine, costing £5000 to replace and fit!........if that happened in the escort - turn computer on : ebay.co.uk : search 'mondeo' : order : price low/high : buy it now (would be under £100).......half a day swapping it over |
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Dec 24, 2007 17:41:27 GMT
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I know alad who paid an ectra £3000 or so for his new car because the miles he does the fact it was a longer service interval would pay more back than the £3K price difference over the 3 years he was plannig on keeping it. Over £3000 of servicing?! Would love to see the service schedule for that. 3000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter, Air Filter 6000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter 9000 Miles: Oil, Oil Filter, Air Filter 12000 Miles: Replace engine with new one made out of solid gold Its the difference between a 8,000 mile service schedule and a 15,000 service schedule with the average service coming in at about £300 and him doing 60K a year means £2250 in servoces in the Ford vs £1200 a year in the Audi. Saves £3750 in 3 years. |
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Hirst
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Dec 24, 2007 17:59:19 GMT
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It's the servicing cost bit I can't quite understand. What do they actually do to call it £300? Is there a lot more to do on a new car? Are things like filters considerably more complex/expensive? This is me just genuinely wondering, I'm a bit ignorant of it all. When I order service parts in, it tends to be £5-ish for an oil filter, £10-ish for an air filter and £15-ish for a new set of spark plugs. Is it a lot more on a modern for these sorts of bits, do they do more work on other stuff, etc?
I'm really just wondering - I ask this as one car I don't service myself is a "modern", the Mira (it has a fully stamped up history and it just feels nice to keep it like that, even though it is worth nothing). Last service I got them to change the cambelt, drain and replace the engine/gearbox/diff oil, flush the coolant and check the brakes out and it came to something like £180 all-in, parts made up about £50 of it if I recall. All main dealer rate.
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thats like 1/4 of my budget so far!