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I don't like crowds or queuing or noisy environments, I find them all overwhelming and uncomfortable. I also struggle with social situations. I can agree to see a really good mate and then a few hours before I go I start thinking of excuses not to go and beat myself up for agreeing to go in the first place. I'm OK when I'm there but beforehand, I get uncomfortable. If it's a bigger social event like a family wedding I will fret about that long before it happens. Staying at home during the covid lockdowns was heaven, no in person meetings or social events. A truly relaxing time for me. I think you may be my long lost twin 😂everything you described there is exactly how I feel and react to situations. Queuing or standing still anywhere in public is probably the hardest thing I have to deal with just now. Same with thinking about things beforehand almost trying to figure out ways to screw up situations so I don’t have to go somewhere or meet someone very dark moments when that happens. Similar to reaching for the self destruct button when things get tough and hitting the bottle.
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I don't like crowds or queuing or noisy environments, I find them all overwhelming and uncomfortable. I also struggle with social situations. I can agree to see a really good mate and then a few hours before I go I start thinking of excuses not to go and beat myself up for agreeing to go in the first place. I'm OK when I'm there but beforehand, I get uncomfortable. If it's a bigger social event like a family wedding I will fret about that long before it happens. Staying at home during the covid lockdowns was heaven, no in person meetings or social events. A truly relaxing time for me. I think you may be my long lost twin 😂everything you described there is exactly how I feel and react to situations. Queuing or standing still anywhere in public is probably the hardest thing I have to deal with just now. Same with thinking about things beforehand almost trying to figure out ways to screw up situations so I don’t have to go somewhere or meet someone very dark moments when that happens. Similar to reaching for the self destruct button when things get tough and hitting the bottle. I know the bottle very well.
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I suspect we're triplets!
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2005 Volvo C70 2.4T Convertible. 40k miles, FVSH, one prior owner. My toy. 2010 Mini JCW Convertible. Wife's toy. 1991 Yamaha FZR600, one of only 20 Kocinski edition models. MINI Cooper S Electric '3' - My daily scoot. Peugeot 2008 HDi120 - Dog van. Polestar 2 - Wife's daily. Dacia Jogger Extreme hybrid dog van replacement ordered, due Jan '24.
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Christmas 2019 some mates I hadnt seen since the christmas before invited me out for a beer in on mad Friday. It took me 2hrs to get myself together enough to head out, it was a nightmare. Not sure what my point is with that, but yeah it's a thing. You remind me of a time, pre-pandemic, I still owned that bloody Chrysler even, I was driving over to meet some mates for a "night out and crash at mine" type do with "the old gang" and I sat abot an hour in a layby half way there unable to drive on or even drive home. I went in the end. But sometimes theres a wall to get through just to do normal things...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jun 12, 2023 10:23:35 GMT
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You remind me of a time, pre-pandemic, I still owned that bloody Chrysler even, I was driving over to meet some mates for a "night out and crash at mine" type do with "the old gang" and I sat abot an hour in a layby half way there unable to drive on or even drive home. I went in the end. But sometimes theres a wall to get through just to do normal things... Did similar with a car meet that was on locally, drove past it about 4 times and went back home. It's not the thing thats the issue, its the thought of the thing. This is why I am on medication for it & it's been life changing tbh. Tried counciling, tried CBT, but they only worked with the depression side of things and did help for that but the anxiety was crippling. If someone has'nt experienced it then when they say something like "get a grip" they don't realise just how far off being helpful they are being.
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2023 10:24:44 GMT by joem83
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Jun 12, 2023 10:44:17 GMT
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In my case, after years of tablets and counselling, I had an epiphany that my problems were not something to be treated or cured.
They were part of who I was, no getting away from it. Instead it became a case of accepting the more harmless elements, and developing strategies to either work around or avoid situations that brought about some of the more troublesome quirks. I am depply indebted to the counsellor that led me down this path and the wonderfully supportive Mrs BritBrick has been amazing in helping with this, and she does shield me from certain triggers. This is good and has made life so much more chilled and relaxed. This is very good because being near on six-four and weighing 20 stone my natural instinct isn't flight, but rather fight. Once triggered I would dig my heels in and face down the problem, which many w*****s quite frankly deserved but it was not only inappropriate it was hugely upsetting for me afterwards because that isn't me, and one day it stood a good chance of getting me in trouble.
With this new awareness I'm not 'cured' and never will be. Its a case of recognising and managing things to avoid the worst of the problems. The one counsellor that took me down that path salvaged my happiness.
I still dislike crowds, I still dislike social situations with lots of people I don't know. I still struggle if my routine is disrupted. But you know what - none of that really matters once you've become comfortable with that simp,y being you you are. Mrs BritBrick helps me push the boundaries a little with these things, just enough to be good for me but not enough to get me unduly anxious and set me off. Some proper guidance from a psychiatric professional with a pragmatic approach and the support of a loving and caring partner is what it took for me.
I'm not cured, there is no cure for being who you are, but have now come to terms with thi gs hand have coping strategies that get me by pretty well. Life is now pretty good as a result. Ocasionally things are still disproportionately upsetting, but we work through them.
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Last Edit: Jun 12, 2023 10:49:23 GMT by BritBrick
2005 Volvo C70 2.4T Convertible. 40k miles, FVSH, one prior owner. My toy. 2010 Mini JCW Convertible. Wife's toy. 1991 Yamaha FZR600, one of only 20 Kocinski edition models. MINI Cooper S Electric '3' - My daily scoot. Peugeot 2008 HDi120 - Dog van. Polestar 2 - Wife's daily. Dacia Jogger Extreme hybrid dog van replacement ordered, due Jan '24.
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Jun 12, 2023 12:54:53 GMT
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Honestly, I think this thread is helping me more than my councillor did. Recognising my own traits or habits in others. I'm OK with big crowds, that probably comes with growing up at busy autojumbles, some indoor ones, like dorking halls, were busy sometimes and absolutely rammed with people, it's smaller crowds I get itchy about. Also never enjoyed my own birthday parties, everyone there for me? Seriously havnt you got something better to do?. Growing up with the routine of shows at the weekend meant I never got the chance to be a drinker, you'd never find me at the local park with a bottle of white lightning. Also, it's rarely something I actually like enough to even think it's going to make me feel better, I have to be in a good 'up' mood to even think about it. My thing is (was) food. Without consciously thinking about it I'd be planning my next takaway to try and make up for having a rubbish week. Now, I've got myself in the routine of bike > find a pub> reward. Less takeaways.
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Jun 12, 2023 12:57:57 GMT
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Again a lot of personal happenings that can relate to others. My case its not myself but Mrs Quasimoto who was medically misdiagnosed through a medical miscalculation leaving her hooked on prescription drugs and everything that entails with many traits and symptoms like mentioned by many RR members in this thread. This issue without medical training or even understanding the issues faced daily make the whole scenario scary at times to deal with. Doctors who start it all off do not claim responsibilty whilst my efforts to get local mental health team on board was compounded by long waiting lists after covid, staff shortages and other issues only known to them. I had to take the bull by the horn to try and get Mrs Quasimoto feeling better, wanting to go out and like was mentioned passing a venue a few times but returning home in a panic. I try and deal with all this but then as my thread on here Retro Pensioner goes into a little more detail being over 70, unable to get a loan, relatives caught in cost of living crisis and myself desperate to do anything within my power to get my wife out from what has become four walls day in day out and car scrapped have had to resort to Just Giving to try and fund the car situation / going out onwards towards a better life even just a little whilst i try to convince doctors i need help not for myself but with the daily ongoing situation whilst only cars has saved me I'm sure and being positive when often the opposite is true. So yes us car enthusiasts have if married or have a partner got the added issue of caring for them whilst holding a balance on our own mental health. My Just Giving: www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/geoffrey-bellamyopenroadprojectMy case is probably far from being the only one out there and its coming to something that in retirement you are battling for justice from a doctor miscalculation / diagnosis. I am heartened to continue reading different angles and aspects of this situation and all of us now know we are not alone thanks to original op of this thread. Well done for opening this subject up to us all.
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Started out with nothing and have most of it left.
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zeberdee
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Jun 12, 2023 13:08:14 GMT
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My thing is (was) food. Without consciously thinking about it I'd be planning my next takaway to try and make up for having a rubbish week. I was bad with drinking , that’s what first got me to think there might be an issue & seek help . That was around 10 years ago . Over lockdown I started with takeaways , it seems for the same reason as you , this took a while to trigger there was an issue again . It’s been really hard , but I’ve managed to kick that habit as well now . I also agree there’s alot going in this thread i can relate too . It is reassuring that other people feel the same & understand the struggle . 👍
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Jun 12, 2023 14:38:10 GMT
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Honestly, I think this thread is helping me more than my councillor did. Recognising my own traits or habits in others. I'm OK with big crowds, that probably comes with growing up at busy autojumbles, some indoor ones, like dorking halls, were busy sometimes and absolutely rammed with people, it's smaller crowds I get itchy about. Also never enjoyed my own birthday parties, everyone there for me? Seriously havnt you got something better to do?. Growing up with the routine of shows at the weekend meant I never got the chance to be a drinker, you'd never find me at the local park with a bottle of white lightning. Also, it's rarely something I actually like enough to even think it's going to make me feel better, I have to be in a good 'up' mood to even think about it. My thing is (was) food. Without consciously thinking about it I'd be planning my next takaway to try and make up for having a rubbish week. Now, I've got myself in the routine of bike > find a pub> reward. Less takeaways. I've never been someone to plan a party or my own birthday, just wouldn't feel comfortable asking people to come and focus on me. I was scared of my shadow as a kid and maybe some part of me never grew up?
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Jun 14, 2023 11:37:06 GMT
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Ever since i was a kid i've always been shy. Told i would eventually grow out of it if i just tried to fit in more. Secondary school was hell, being expected to answer a question infront of the class or do a presentation was the scariest thing ever. Same with college and uni. I've never found it easy to make friends and have never really had more than a few. Moved down to Pembrokeshire 2 years ago to be near my inlaws but haven't made any new friends (apart from some virtual ones on facebook who i've never met) since i've been down here.
The last 18 months or so haven't been the best for me. Lost a couple of my dogs and also my dad to lung cancer last August.
Depression has kind of been kicking my ass for a while now. I'm not so bad if i've got something to work on to distract myself from my thoughts though. Its once i sit down on an evening it tends to hit. Been diagnosed with social anxiety (social phobia) and depression. Was on anti depressants for a while but on nothing at the moment.
I hate talking on the phone, always have. Unless its someone in my phone book it doesn't get answered.
Going to parties or events seem like one of the hardest thing to do. Even going out shopping requires me to psych myself up to go.
Theres a few local shows and cars n coffee meets but I really struggle to get the motivation to actually go to them as i don't know anyone. I'll regret not going afterwards, but the actual thought of going fills me with a sense of dread. Having my headphones in listening to music seems to help when i'm out though.
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Jun 14, 2023 15:31:38 GMT
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This is a wonderful thread - very therapeutic.
My problem has always been never thinking that I am good enough. I grew up with a very intelligent older brother, which of course led to an awful lot of expectation for me to achieve similarly high grades / exam results etc. This played havoc with my self-worth - I was NEVER as good in my parents' eyes, or my teachers'. It plagued me for most of my 51 years on this planet.
I have no issue talking to people, nor do I have problems in crowds - 60000 at Twickenham is no issue for me. My social skills are way better than my brother's, who has always been an introvert. I have done marvellous things in the past, being on the committee of the local Mini Club for several years in the 1990s. I have a project that I have done great things with over time (some good, some needing to be re-done) - and it's all done by me.
Yet somehow I still think, somewhat illogically, even when I have done something successfully, often in a way most people wouldn't have thought of, I think I haven't done it well enough. I am not too much of a perfectionist - that isn't the problem. It is my own self-doubt that's plagued me since the mid-70s. My main help for the project is a friend whose Mrs is very high risk to Covid, so he's not often out, which is awkward as he is my electrical guru - and I do not understand electrics at all. It's a sticking point for this project at the moment, and it's bugging me. Yet my self-doubt tells me that I will likely set the car on fire if I try to sort the wiring myself...
I will get there with the project. It's just going to take a bit of time and convincing myself.
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dikkehemaworst
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Jun 15, 2023 17:51:03 GMT
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I feel pretty lonely, especially when i'm tired. Friendships are really hard, even though i'm a bartender by trade. I'm never satisfied with my own work, i've scrapped a shell because i wasn't satisfied with my own quality of work, but if i look at the pictures now, why the hell was i complaining... thats probably the reason why i never finish a rebuild or restauration. I'm always on the lookout for parts and actively collect them and i (used to) spend loads of money on carstuff and parts, but I never complete a job. I'm lucky to have an understanding, beautiful and epic wife, great marriage, beautiful daughters and my own craftbeer pub,which i worked really really hard for.(we're in the top 20 of craftbeerpubs in the Netherlands) but during/after corona i've lost all our financial reserves ( a lot!) almost lost our house (and most of my carstuff) and when lockdowns were over, all our staff ran away. This hit me mentally very very very hard. I started working even more ( easily 100+ hours a week ) And desicion making became even harder. Paying all those wages from our staff ,paying the bills in general became really hard, because of financial insecurity and i really don't know if i stil like my job nowdays. It always feels like my childhood puzzle with one piece missing.
I consider my wife my best friend but in fairness, thats probably to much for her to take. She gets stressed out by my insecurity, to the point that she needs to talk to a professional.. We run the pub together, share a household with kids AND she gets all my personal mental whibblepoo, because i lack interest, or (social?) skills to remain friends with someone/ anyone.
Life's weird....
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brachunky
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Jun 15, 2023 18:05:15 GMT
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I feel pretty lonely, especially when i'm tired. Friendships are really hard, even though i'm a bartender by trade. I'm lucky to have a beautiful and epic wife, great marriage, beautiful daughters and my own craftbeer pub, (which i worked really really hard for) but during/after corona i've lost all our financial reserves ( a lot!) and almost lost our house and most of my carstuff, and this hit me mentally very very hard. I started working even more ( easilly make 100+ hours a week )And desicion making became even harder for me, because it always feels like my childhood puzzle with one piece missing. I consider my wife my best friend but in fairness, thats probably to much for her to take. She gets stressed out by my insecurity, to the point that she needs to talk to a professional.. We run the pub together, share a household with kids AND she gets all my personal mental whibblepoo, because i lack interest, or (social?) skills to remain friends with someone/ anyone. Life's weird.... That's a big load to carry for anyone. You managed to come through an awful lot so well done. Those of us with partners are fortunate imho as I would hate to be alone when in a dark space. Your words are a reminder to thank & acknowledge those like our partners who understand and indeed stand by us during tough times. In total contrast to my first wife, my better half of over 20 years is indeed an angel who fully "gets it". I'm grateful
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misteralz
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Jun 15, 2023 19:26:40 GMT
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I feel pretty lonely, especially when i'm tired. Friendships are really hard, even though i'm a bartender by trade. I'm never satisfied with my own work, i've scrapped a shell because i wasn't satisfied with my own quality of work, but if i look at the pictures now, why qas i complaining... thats why i never finish a rebuild or restauration myself. I'm always on the lookout for parts and actively collect them and spend loads of money on carstuff and parts, but i never ever finished a build. I'm lucky to have an understanding, beautiful and epic wife, great marriage, beautiful daughters and my own craftbeer pub, (which i worked really really hard for) but during/after corona i've lost all our financial reserves ( a lot!) and almost lost our house and most of my carstuff, and this hit me mentally very very hard. I started working even more ( easily 100+ hours a week ) And desicion making became even harder. Paying all those wages from our staff ,paying the bills in general became really hard, because of financial insecurity and i really don't know if i stil like my job nowdays. It always feels like my childhood puzzle with one piece missing. I consider my wife my best friend but in fairness, thats probably to much for her to take. She gets stressed out by my insecurity, to the point that she needs to talk to a professional.. We run the pub together, share a household with kids AND she gets all my personal mental whibblepoo, because i lack interest, or (social?) skills to remain friends with someone/ anyone. Life's weird.... You're in Haarlem IIRC? I need to pop down there in the next few days to pick up stuff from Alpo and IKEA, so I can easily pop by for a chat if you need.
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dikkehemaworst
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Jun 15, 2023 19:35:57 GMT
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No, our pub is located in Hoorn, but nevertheless, always welcome. I'm not much of a talker, but i try to find solutions. We'll manage i guess, but it's hard at times. I try to do more stuff out of the house, like coffee in the morning, or taking a walk or just a drive. And try to leave the whibblepoo phone at home.... man i hate that thing with all my heart...
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misteralz
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Jun 15, 2023 20:04:04 GMT
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I'll drop you a message next time I'm over that way. 👍
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Darkspeed
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Jun 15, 2023 20:14:55 GMT
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Jun 16, 2023 14:40:37 GMT
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I’ve read over all of this, wanted to Comment but didn’t if that makes sense?? For those that know or have met me I’m what most would call full of life and possibly a bit cocky Well that’s just me I’m a salesman for a living and being forward and a tad cocky is part of me, I’ve many friends and I’d genuinely do anything I can for anyone…….but life and soul of the party doesn’t mean I haven’t suffered from the D word We’ve had some awful times with our son At just 20 years old he has been a real handful And caused us so much heartache This year we had to make him Leave our home and not return, this led me into a massive downward spiral I couldn’t share with anyone but my wife Hopefully fingers crossed he is slowly turning his life around after a recent wake up call I’ve hit rock bottom and Tbf I’ve had a good few close friends call me and offer support after I reached out What I consider to be one of my best mates has given the lad a job and called me regularly, I don’t think he realises those ten minute phone calls have helped me through I know there’s no miracle cure but I’m strong minded and I will never give up on my son even though some days I detested him for what he’s put us through Mental health can get to us all, just please talk to a friend or family member and try to keep a positive thought or two in your mind And just a small thanks to my friends for being there when I needed them most Danny
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Last Edit: Jun 16, 2023 15:38:42 GMT by Mercdan68
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zeberdee
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Jun 16, 2023 14:54:33 GMT
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I’ve read over all of this, wanted to Comment but didn’t if that makes sense?? That makes perfect sense . I think that if someone reads this thread & even feels the slightest bit of comfort , or takes something away from it , then it’s more than done it’s job . It’s a thread that doesn’t ‘need’ someone to reply or add to it , it just needs that person to realise there not alone in what they feel , even though it very much feels like it at times . I think the main thing is too talk to someone about things , a friend or family member . It’s extremely hard asking for help . I’m 10 years with A&D , I still struggle to ask for help sometimes , but i’m glad this thread is here as in a strange way it brings me some comfort . 👍
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