Ryannn
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May 31, 2023 19:12:21 GMT
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Anyone done it? Any recommendations?
I’ve got an unknown 1275 in my mini. It takes oil very very slowly and doesn’t drain out much quicker once you take the sump plug out. I’ve just emptied it and there was some thick sludge on the sump plug that is magnetic.
I’m thinking it’s probably worth trying to give it a clean out before I refill it. It runs fine and seems to have decent oil pressure. I’ve never used any sort of flush before.
Just looking for some advice please!
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Last Edit: May 31, 2023 19:12:42 GMT by Ryannn
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Engine oil flushballbagbagins
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May 31, 2023 20:13:57 GMT
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I've never used a flush before but I have used running in oil in the engine idling for 20 minutes before draining that and replacing it with normal grade oil and a new filter.
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May 31, 2023 20:17:58 GMT
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I've dropped oil and chucked 4l of diesel in a warm engine before now, works perfectly and you'll be shocked what comes out.
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bstardchild
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May 31, 2023 20:56:14 GMT
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My advice is never use engine flushes - much better to do a series of oil changes as short intervals say 1000 miles at a time using a cheap oil
If you do use an engine flush follow the instructions with it to the letter - It is not the case that if 15 mins at idle is good leaving it in for a week and 500 miles is better
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May 31, 2023 22:53:26 GMT
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I've used engine flush several times. Different brands over the years, the last few times it's been Liqi Moly. Does the job. I've use ATM also. Trick is how you use it, engine oil temp I think is key.
With a specific flush, I first have the engine up to temp, actual heat in the oil. Drop the oil and change the filter. Refill with fresh oil and a new filter, engine back up temp. Then add the flush, run @ idle 20 minutes. Drop the oil, you'll see the flush has worked also cut open the oil filter for inspection. Fresh oil & filter again. I suspect, flushing is only really worthwhile every 30k miles or more, I certainly wouldn't bother at every oil change. But I do always flush any car I've just bought.
If the engine is already leaking oil it's probably not wise to do a flush as I reckon there's a strong possibility the leak will get worse.
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Last Edit: May 31, 2023 23:00:08 GMT by Woofwoof
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bricol
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I've read a lot to say engine flush in an old engine is a bad idea - loosens a lot of curse word you'd rather it didn't.
Lots of professionals say, as already suggested, more frequent oil changes with a cheap oil.
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I've read a lot to say engine flush in an old engine is a bad idea - loosens a lot of curse word you'd rather it didn't. Lots of professionals say, as already suggested, more frequent oil changes with a cheap oil. I think if the engine is old and an oil flush could 'damage' it, then is already due for a rebuild or very close to. Possibly not flushing it just adds a little extra time to a worn engine. As you say just changing oil more often. Then again, the old engine might have been in better condition if was flushed every so often before it got to the stage that doing a flush is considered bad news.
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bricol
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You always gets bits of crud, metal particles, worn off bits, sat here and there - in dead end galleries, plugged drillings in cranks etc.
Undisturbed, it's fine - no harm being done.
Loosen it, in an engine you have no idea of the prior history, and it may well cause issues. Not to say it will - but it might.
I have an unopened can of flushing oil I bought 30 yrs ago but was told by garage owner I respected not to bother, due to the potential to do more harm than good.
If the engine is being serviced in the normal way, with regular oil changes with decent oil suitable for the engine and the use it's being put to, you have no need for flushing oil - that's my opinion with 30 yrs of engineering design and maintenance experience since.
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Ritchie
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Could always fill it with some diesel specific engine oil if a similar grade, as I understand they have more / stronger detergents in them, it could work.
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Engine oil flushadam73bgt
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I've used engine oil flushes in the past and not noticed a huge amount of difference but I could have been starting with a fairly well maintained engine..
I often hear the notion of issues with flushes dislodging stuff inside the engine, but I don't know how many engines have actually failed that way or if it's one of those things that gets often repeated around the internet?
Engine oil in itself often ends up being quite a contentious topic!
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I've used engine oil flushes in the past and not noticed a huge amount of difference but I could have been starting with a fairly well maintained engine.. I often hear the notion of issues with flushes dislodging stuff inside the engine, but I don't know how many engines have actually failed that way or if it's one of those things that gets often repeated around the internet? Engine oil in itself often ends up being quite a contentious topic! Agreed, heard this multiple times over the years but never actually seen it happen.
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I've used engine oil flushes in the past and not noticed a huge amount of difference but I could have been starting with a fairly well maintained engine.. I often hear the notion of issues with flushes dislodging stuff inside the engine, but I don't know how many engines have actually failed that way or if it's one of those things that gets often repeated around the internet? Engine oil in itself often ends up being quite a contentious topic! The one that I have experience of didn't fail as such (an early 24V Senator I got cheap - right place right time) I looked inside the oil filler cap and it was black and full of carbon - I'd never seen an engine as bad, it looked like it had never seen an oil change, I was much younger and to me it seemed like an engine flush was the solution however it went from 1. a quiet engine to a very rattly one all the hydraulic tappets started complaining very vocally 2. a 500ml of oil per 3,000 mls engine (admittedly poor for one of these engines but it didn't visibly smoke and didn't leak oil) to a 1 litre of oil per 500 miles which was quite frankly embarrassing to drive (due to the smoke kicked out on acceleration and deceleration) Engine seals (crankshaft seals) that were previously dry leaked profusely I've got some pictures somewhere of the head when I stripped it down and compared to a normal well serviced cars it was basically tar and carbon coating over every part that didn't move..... I've never used a flushing solution since - I've had other cars with patchy service history and adopted a several oil changes in short succession and never had the same issues (to me it just seems a much more gentle way to try to remove deposits slowly and clean up the internals)
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We use them all the time but a bit more involved, we dump the flush in the old engine oil, run the engine for a while, then drop the oil/filter and housing/sump/oil cooler and clean them all out and put them back on. With a couple of short interval oil changes afterwards it can bring round a manky euro 6 diesel engine pretty quickly so it lasts a bit longer (mainly fleet vans). However usually if it's at that point of lack of servicing the wear/damage is already done, which can cause the issues Ian describes above.
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I've used engine oil flushes in the past and not noticed a huge amount of difference but I could have been starting with a fairly well maintained engine.. I often hear the notion of issues with flushes dislodging stuff inside the engine, but I don't know how many engines have actually failed that way or if it's one of those things that gets often repeated around the internet? Engine oil in itself often ends up being quite a contentious topic! The one that I have experience of didn't fail as such (an early 24V Senator I got cheap - right place right time) I looked inside the oil filler cap and it was black and full of carbon - I'd never seen an engine as bad, it looked like it had never seen an oil change, I was much younger and to me it seemed like an engine flush was the solution however it went from 1. a quiet engine to a very rattly one all the hydraulic tappets started complaining very vocally 2. a 500ml of oil per 3,000 mls engine (admittedly poor for one of these engines but it didn't visibly smoke and didn't leak oil) to a 1 litre of oil per 500 miles which was quite frankly embarrassing to drive (due to the smoke kicked out on acceleration and deceleration) Engine seals (crankshaft seals) that were previously dry leaked profusely I've got some pictures somewhere of the head when I stripped it down and compared to a normal well serviced cars it was basically tar and carbon coating over every part that didn't move..... I've never used a flushing solution since - I've had other cars with patchy service history and adopted a several oil changes in short succession and never had the same issues (to me it just seems a much more gentle way to try to remove deposits slowly and clean up the internals) I think the flush just proved the engine was shagged anyway, lack oil changes as you say. Not doing the flush would have put off the evil day of excessive oil burning and leaks. I think a flush is just good preventive maintenance but it's not for reviving worn or badly maintained engines.
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