cortinaman
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Mar 10, 2023 14:27:55 GMT
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Hi all My wife's car (2018 Skoda Rapid) had an advisory on the MOT for cracked and perished tyres. The tyres have been on the car from new and are Bridgestones - so a fairly decent make. There is plenty of tread on the tyres but three of them have cracked and perished on the outer edge - what causes this? Internet advice seems to suggest the tyres ought to be changed but it seems a bit poor that tyres are failing after only five years - what are your thoughts on the matter? Picture of the worst tyre:- cheers Cortinaman
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Old Fords never die they just go sideways
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Mar 10, 2023 16:10:36 GMT
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Not sure what the answer is. We had similar with my wife’s TT which came to us with a matching set of Continental tyres, 5 years old by their data markings, less than half worn and horribly cracked and perished. I replaced them. 4 years later we have an advisory for cracking for the two Dunlops left on the back from those initial replacements. The front had already worn out. Bridgestone have this say… bridgestone-mea.com/en/discover/why-do-car-tyres-crackMy observations on the sunlight exposure - this is the UK, not Nevada, and anyway, the tyres I’ve seen have been cracking everywhere, not just on the parts that could see direct sunlight. www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/484902-cracking-bridgestone-ecopia-ep150/More of the same. FWIW, if you can hook your finger nails into the cracks, that’s more than surface cracking. The Avon ZV7 tyres on my A6 and my sons A4 are also getting quite deep cracks at the base of the tread grooves after 3 an 4 years respectively, which is unimpressive. The 6 year old Falkens on my Vitesse are absolutely fine. I’ve also got a set of Michelins on some Triumph wheels which are about 8 years old almost unworn and absolutely cracked to bits. Seems like the so called premium brands are worst afffected?
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Mar 10, 2023 16:26:46 GMT
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Hi, I don't think it's as much to do where on the planet we are rather than the Ultra Violet from the nearest star (The Sun). Also the composition of modern rubber being more vulnerable to ageing, look how long track rod end boots last and they don't see direct sunlight.
Colin
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Last Edit: Mar 10, 2023 16:27:32 GMT by colnerov
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Mar 10, 2023 16:49:45 GMT
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It's curse word rubber, happening g to everything including fuel hose etc. I believe its to do with certain ingredients in rubber being altered to help the environment, but is costing us more. So make ya mind up over that.
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Mar 10, 2023 18:24:21 GMT
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I changed a 2yr old Skoda Karoq last April 16k on the clock, it had Bridgestones on which has started to crack in the tread base. I have recently bought a Vauxhall Victor with 02 dated Firestones, only done 5k, no cracks, they look great. They are getting changed, I think 21yrs old is pushing my luck.
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Clearly not trying. Wifey's Swift Sport fronts are worn out at 14000 miles. All tongue in cheek of course.
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Mar 11, 2023 12:02:53 GMT
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Pretty normal for tyres not to last past 4-5 years. How many miles are on the car?
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Mar 11, 2023 18:57:23 GMT
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worth getting in touch with the manufacturer, not unheard of for the higher end brands to take them back under some kind of warranty, though on a 2018 registered car they may even be a year old by then, what are the date codes on them?
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Mar 11, 2023 19:38:13 GMT
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I was cleaning up the wheels on the mx5 today and noticed one of the valve stems fitted around 4 years ago has massive cracks in it, does make you wonder what's going on with rubber nowadays.
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cortinaman
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Mar 12, 2023 11:24:53 GMT
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worth getting in touch with the manufacturer, not unheard of for the higher end brands to take them back under some kind of warranty, though on a 2018 registered car they may even be a year old by then, what are the date codes on them? the date codes say August 2017 - so they are five and a half years old. I'll send a picture to Bridgestone and see what they say.
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Old Fords never die they just go sideways
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Mar 12, 2023 18:57:48 GMT
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The cracking could have come from ramming it up kerbs when parking (on kerbs).
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Last Edit: Mar 13, 2023 7:50:10 GMT by nalesutol
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Ryannn
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Mar 13, 2023 10:45:21 GMT
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The Michelin’s on the rear of my Mini are the same. They’re the original tyres from 2018 but still have loads of tread 🙄
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Mar 13, 2023 11:00:22 GMT
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Let's face it, despite all the advances in vehicle tech, emissions and everything else, the replacement part industry has been on a relentless dive to the bottom of the "quality" pit. Tires cracking, suspension components lasting a fraction of the life of the original part, uber thin replacement body panels, very iffy electrical components and sensors. The list of poor grade replacement parts is endless and we the consumer just swallow. A perfect example if you have ever owned a Landrover is the whole Britpart, Bearmach parts catalogue, absolutely disgusting quality. As you have probably noticed, I get really peeved at not receiving fair value for money.
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Mar 13, 2023 11:55:17 GMT
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My Mustang was a 2018 that I bought in 2020 with 11k on, the front tyres were Pirelli's & were starting to crack, seems modern tyres are just garbage.
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slater
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Mar 13, 2023 13:41:47 GMT
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Buy cheap tyres next time 😉
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cortinaman
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Mar 13, 2023 17:32:38 GMT
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thanks everyone for the useful comments - I phoned Bridgestone and their customer service bod said speak to technical 01926 488580 if you ever need it - who were very friendly, said send us some pictures.
Here is their reply:
Thank you for the photographs of the Bridgestone tyres fitted to your car.
Concerning the ‘cracking’ in the tyre shoulder grooves; this we have seen many times in the past (across many products, and most brands) where the top layer of surface rubber begins to oxidise and appears perished. We refer to this as ‘crazing’, as ‘cracking’ generally relates to splitting after force or trauma during operation.
The visible surface rubber crazing on your tyres is very minor and will pose no detriment to the vehicles safety of tyres performance.
It is worth noting that as part of tyre manufacturers’ compliance to environmental responsibility legislation, there are increased restrictions on the materials used in tyre construction.
‘Crazing’ can also be caused by other factors: • Extended exposure to sunlight. (UV light dries out the anti-aging oils in the rubber which give a tyre it’s tackiness and elasticity). • The application of ‘Tyre Dressing’. - Used by dealer forecourts and carwash companies mainly to make the sidewalls/shoulders of the tyres look ‘more black’. These can be quite strong and some are even mildly corrosive if used consistently over time. • Poor pressure maintenance during the tyre’s life. This causes over flexing in the tyre casing eventually causing tyres to prematurely age. • Exposure to contaminates. - Petrol, anti-freeze, motor oil, tyre ‘dressing’ (used on the sidewalls to appear more “black”). • Regular, but short frequent trips in the vehicle (lack of use), where the tyres are heating up, then cooling down over a short period of time. (essentially preventing the aforementioned oils from percolating/migrating throughout the tyre fully). We add anti-aging oils into the rubber compound, however for these oils to be released the tyres need to get to an operating temperature. If the tyres are not used regularly then the releasing agents in the anti-aging oils are unable to percolate through the casing and ensure the tyre stays subtle.
The upside to this phenomenon is that ‘crazing’ only affects the top cap layer of rubber, so is only cosmetic in nature. This type of appearance does not have any effect on the tyres handling or performance, and based on the appearance in the image provided we would advise that these tyres are ok to continue running. However as with any appearance-based condition reported in the market, we always advise to monitor the tyres regularly.
Please note that we take safety very seriously and we would never recommend you to continue using tyres that we thought were unsafe to use. In their current conditions the tyres will not cause any detriment to the tyres serviceability or affect the cars dynamic performance abilities. If the tyres are well serviced and the correct tyre pressure is maintained the tyres will continue to provide an excellent service life.
We hope this info has helped, please let us know if there is any more info you require on this subject to assist with your enquiry.
which in today's world of litigation is pleasingly unequivocal, and not what I was expecting (which was - buy a new tyre!)
thanks again
Cortinaman
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Old Fords never die they just go sideways
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Mar 13, 2023 19:47:45 GMT
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I read that as "Do some sik skids mate" but I may have misunderstood the response...
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Davey
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Mar 15, 2023 15:14:29 GMT
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Having been in the tyre world for too many years i can go on about this for hours...
Low mileage and sitting seems to be the biggest contributor with more pressure applied to the sidewalls of the tyre in one area, along with UV exposure it really does a number on the surface of the tyres.
Avon are particularly bad and really do suffer if the car isn't in regular use.
Additives in tyres have changed over the past few years to reduce microplastics and noise whilst still offering high levels of fuel efficiency without detrimentally impacting grip levels.
All in all, its normal, it shouldn't be but it is.
5 years is getting on for any tyre anyway and I would be looking to change them. Caravans/ trailers always have issues with tyres outside this window.
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Mar 15, 2023 19:25:57 GMT
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Hi all My wife's car (2018 Skoda Rapid) had an advisory on the MOT for cracked and perished tyres. The tyres have been on the car from new and are Bridgestones - so a fairly decent make. There is plenty of tread on the tyres but three of them have cracked and perished on the outer edge - what causes this? Internet advice seems to suggest the tyres ought to be changed but it seems a bit poor that tyres are failing after only five years - what are your thoughts on the matter? Picture of the worst tyre:- cheers Cortinaman Had exactly the same issue with the OE bridgestones on my 2015 Skoda Rapid - it had just 23 K miles on it when I bought it in 2019 - fronts were half worn in the middle but very worn on the edge and had lots of cracking I asked the dealer to change them before I bought the car - they were going to put the cheapest brand possible on it but I agreed to pay the difference to keep with the same OE Tyres as the back of the car - I wouldn't have chosen bridgestone tyres as I'd seen the same cracks appearing on my previous SLK after I put a set of bridgestone tyres on it - within 3 years there were cracks all over them luckily I tend to wear out a set of tyres in 4 to 5 years so they got replaced a little early I've never seen the same issue on Goodyear or Uniroyal
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