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Aug 11, 2022 16:50:50 GMT
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I thought I would ask the question here as there is a lot of knowledge. Based on what I see here it is a phone call away from becoming a double door refrigerator. And making the best decision may not always be the most popular A Small engined manifold attached catalytic converter with a pair of snapped bolt heads……. These are meant to keep a pair of springs in place to absorb the movement of the engine, against the exhaust with a cup and ball design. At 130k miles trying to undo them, the hapless owners managed to have both heads break off with an impact wrench, despite copious amounts of penetrating oil. Now stuck with a pair of studs protruding from the cat, one threaded into the casting, the other seemingly bolted to a nut………. Options seem to be: A) To cut the studs flush, centre punch, drill out and tap new threads, add new bolts B) To remove the manifold after dismantling half the front end and repeat “A” after snapping half the fasteners along the way, including manifold bolts. C) Clean up the studs well, clean the catalytic converter face, make sleeves to fit over the studs with threaded ends to take new external nuts to hold the downpipe cup and then weld either Mig or Tig in position, these sleeves and return the springs, assemble the downpipe and refit the exhaust. The evidence. This is the general condition down under there. And “work” prior to me seeing it. And NO, I honestly have no idea how that was created.
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Last Edit: Aug 11, 2022 16:53:57 GMT by grizz
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Aug 11, 2022 16:58:05 GMT
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Grind both sides of the remaining studs flat. That might be enough to knock out the last short piece. If not, drill it, but be advised that's likely to be unpleasant and will take several drill bits.
Now you can weld new studs in place, and reassemble using new hardware.
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Aug 11, 2022 17:05:15 GMT
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Grind both sides of the remaining studs flat. That might be enough to knock out the last short piece. If not, drill it, but be advised that's likely to be unpleasant and will take several drill bits. Now you can weld new studs in place, and reassemble using new hardware. Good call. Thanks Nick. One side is threaded into the casting of the cat, the other seems to have the possibility of knocking out, if it was fitted loosely through the tab in the cat. I guess a dozen TiN bits should get the job done……😉
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Last Edit: Aug 11, 2022 17:05:49 GMT by grizz
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Aug 11, 2022 17:56:53 GMT
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Exhaust fittings are a pain to drill because they've been heated and cooled many times, which is why you grind both sides.
Ensure your drill bits are sharp, well cooled and don't let them rub.
Centre punch the centre of the stud as accurately as you can, and put at least a 3mm hole all the way through -as big as you can because the outside of the stud will be very hard and blunt the edges of the drill.
DON'T try to drill the stud by going up in small sizes - that will only kill lots of drill bits.
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Dez
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Aug 11, 2022 18:14:45 GMT
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In all honesty, that’s the kind of job I make plenty money off. They’ve made it so much worse by having a go themselves they’ve now made it so you need someone more skilled than your average garage to bail them out. No professional would have tried to undo those with a rattle gun as they’d know they’d snap. Ironically if they’d continued down the trying to split the nuts with a chisel route they might have got away with it. A high street garage would have used an induction heater these days, but it’s too late for that now.
I’d say you need the car on a ramp for access and you’ll get the broken bits out using the ‘weld big nuts to it’ method. Trying to drill them would be a last choice option. They’ll be rock hard and drilling upwards under a car is never fun. Then you’re gunna need to make some studs up that do the same job, will Probably need to weld some nuts onto them so they work the same or even turn them down.
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Aug 11, 2022 18:17:17 GMT
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We had this on a mates Vectra the other night, annoyingly they looked fine and just turned to cheese. Snapped flush, used 4 drill bits, and slotted the cat to use a nut and bolt in the end.
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Aug 11, 2022 19:04:12 GMT
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Maybe I should clarify.
So there are two stories there, the first few are the catalyst, as mentioned, one side is threaded up the catalytic converters cast iron (is it cast?) body, the second part are what the downpipe manifold looked like…… I have managed to disassemble that mess already.
Somthe question is the catalyst studs. Which is how it landed with me.
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Aug 11, 2022 22:06:57 GMT
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I mostly agree with Dez, that this is not a good job to take on. It's why exhaust fitters have always had oxy-acetylene handy and also why the induction heaters mentioned are increasingly popular: the nuts are far more likely to undo if they're red hot.
Why isn't the gorilla with the rattle gun doing it?
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Aug 12, 2022 20:44:41 GMT
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I mostly agree with Dez, that this is not a good job to take on. It's why exhaust fitters have always had oxy-acetylene handy and also why the induction heaters mentioned are increasingly popular: the nuts are far more likely to undo if they're red hot. Why isn't the gorilla with the rattle gun doing it?Explain The down pipe has been sorted Nice to see progress, albeit slow.
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Last Edit: Aug 12, 2022 20:45:32 GMT by grizz
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Aug 14, 2022 15:32:49 GMT
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So Plan D it is. Ready for some long M8 bolts to be welded on nickwheeler
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2022 15:54:21 GMT by grizz
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Aug 14, 2022 19:31:21 GMT
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I recently had similar, cut off any weld on the rear face then cut through the "ears" of the flange & through the remains of the studs to the inside of the stud holes with a cutting disc then knock out the halves of studs that are left. Once done wedge some bits of copper tube inside the holes & weld up the slit in the "ears".
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Ready to rock n roll or curl up and die.
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Aug 16, 2022 10:34:28 GMT
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You're not ready yet; the heads of the bolts still have their plating that will make welding them difficult.
And I'm not ready yet, because I can't get this gearbox off.....
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