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So I got the auto box and old crusty engine mounts out this evening. My mate got the MX-5 engine and box out last night, along with various other bits I wanted. I finished getting the loom out of the 5 the other night, I have absolutely every wire, plug, relay, and fuse box out of the entire car, so I have everything I need (and way more) to get the engine running. The auto box and shifter will be for sale, as will the 2.0 engine (will come with full gasket rebuild kit and brand new water pump). I have no proof either work but neither are seized up and the ATF in the auto box looked good considering it's age. Only 45k miles on the clock, so they might just need a refresh and they'll be fine, I honestly couldn't say! I'll likely sell both as spares/repairs, if anyone is interested PM me. So with the box out the way I could test fit the VVT engine. This is as close to an "it's in" photo you'll be seeing right now: I left everything on the engine. Some good news from doing this, but also a few challenges. Good bits: The engine will for the most part fit in the bay. I already knew it would as the bay is huge but still good to see. All the ancillaries will be fine, which is great news. The box fits inside the tunnel with ease. Custom engine mounts should be fairly straightforward to do. The engine will be so far back that a radiator, fans, and all the intake stuff will be easy to fit with tons of room. A slimmer brake booster *may* fit. Don't know for sure yet, but read some stuff about mk2 Polo/Golf one being a good swap in these/Mantas as they're basically a straight fit. We'll see. The challenges: The original heater box obviously has the pipes on the wrong side for the 5 engine. It's also massively in the way of the back of the engine/VVT bits. Will need ripping out and an alternative solution being put it. The sump will sit behind the subframe but the engine needs to go back about 6" in that photo. I have maybe 3" space behind the engine to the firewall/bulkhead, so I think we will be cutting and re-shaping the bulkhead to get it sat in. Not the worst job, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to. Won't be any more difficult to weld up the new metal than the front corner was, so I'm not worried. Standard 5 manifold/downpipe fits in the bay, but unfortunately hits the tunnel. Hence why the engine is wonky in the photo above. Downpipe is hard up against the tunnel. Good thing is that there is a good 2 inches between it and the box, so we will adapt the pipe so it sits closer to the box, and further from the tunnel. The shifter will be too far back, as you can see here: Bare in mind the shifter will be approx. 6" further back than it is in the above photo when the engine is sat where I want it. Luckily the MX-5 boxes have a long shaft that attaches to the shifter, and you can cut the shaft down, adapt the top of the box and move the entire shifter piece further forwards by a few inches. I may also make an adapter piece so that I can have the actual gearknob further forward in the car when it's all in place. I'll try and use the standard auto shifter hole if I can, just so I don't have to cut more tunnel than I already need to. Overall a fair bit of work for sure, but it's really not that bad. I'm just pleased it's now a known quantity, I know where I stand with it, and we can get on with getting the bits done to get it in there properly. Loads more to do, but cannot wait to see the engine sat in the bay properly, I'm so excited to get this car going.
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1980 Vauxhall Cavalier - MX-5 VVT engine/box conversion, GSXR ITBs
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ChrisT
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Bilbo's mk1 CavalierChrisT
@christ
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Fits like a glove IIRC the hole in the transmition tunnel for an auto box is further forward than a for a manual box, if you can find this section for a 5 speed Manta it'll put it in a better position. The good old VW Polo comes to the rescue again with a compact heater box with pipes on the other side, although they're probably not as available as they used to be. Also Car builders solutions do some self contained units.
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Last Edit: Aug 27, 2022 7:18:31 GMT by ChrisT
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Aug 28, 2022 21:32:25 GMT
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Fits like a glove IIRC the hole in the transmition tunnel for an auto box is further forward than a for a manual box, if you can find this section for a 5 speed Manta it'll put it in a better position. The good old VW Polo comes to the rescue again with a compact heater box with pipes on the other side, although they're probably not as available as they used to be. Also Car builders solutions do some self contained units. Cheers mate, I'm fairly confident we can get the shifter right with some work, so that should be fine. Thanks for that, I will take a look at options. Had a look at Car Builder Solutions, always forget about them, such a great site for these sort of things.
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1980 Vauxhall Cavalier - MX-5 VVT engine/box conversion, GSXR ITBs
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Aug 28, 2022 22:00:11 GMT
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So after the initial test fit attempt of the 5 engine I needed to remove the original heater. Bit of a ballache job but not too bad. One good thing is there are zero rust issues at all on the bulkhead/firewall. Behind the heater and all the rubber insulation everything is as red and decent as when it was brand new, which is great. While I was there I decided it was probably worth just taking the entire dash out to just get all the things out of the car I didn't need anymore. So out came the instrument cluster, all the plastic trims, and the upper and lower dash, and all the internal heater vent pipes. I was left with the wiring loom, which I have also taken out, cutting the wires for every single original plug/stalk/switch so that I can wire all of the original stuff into the MX-5 loom. The main loom for everything is tiny compared to the MX-5 one, this is literally everything from behind the dash and most of the stuff from under the bonnet: Everything is now out and I can work on loom routing and ECU location options etc. for the 5 loom: There is actually not a lot of room behind the dash, the firewall on these is like a shelf in the engine bay to house the heater unit mainly, so inside the car there isn't actually a big area under the dash. But it should still be fine. One job that is now done and was very simple was the ignition barrel. I noticed after some finger and thumb maths (literally wrapped my index and thumb around this column and the 5 column haha), that the 2 columns were incredibly similar in size. So I cut the Vauxhall ignition barrel off as the security bolt was being annoying and all of my drill bits are blunt. I cut into the MX-5 barrel security bolts with a grinder, and added a flathead slot into them, and got them out with the barrel intact. Offered the barrel up to the Cavalier column and it is literally a perfect fit. Got the bolts on and clamped it onto the column with no modifications at all which is great. Only thing to note is that the lower plastic cowl likely won't fit now, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Here it is test fitted in its new home: Ignore the birds nest of wiring in the background, this is now all gone. I also removed the exhaust manifold from the 5 engine for an easier test fitting next time. We'll put it back in and measure exactly how much bulkhead will need cutting. After some basic measuring I think around 2" of the very front of the tunnel/bulkhead will need cutting back in the middle, so not an awful job, should be simple enough to weld it back up after so I'm not concerned about that. I'm off to Italy for a week, so I'll be taking a break from the car until I'm back. Got 3 days booked off work after I return so I'll be cracking on with this as soon as I'm back.
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1980 Vauxhall Cavalier - MX-5 VVT engine/box conversion, GSXR ITBs
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Sept 8, 2022 23:17:40 GMT
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So, got back from Italy on Tuesday and started cracking on with the car again. Naples is awesome, also went to Sorrento, Ischia, and Pompeii. Ischia was absolutely stunning, and the food everywhere we went was incredible. Highly recommend. Anyway, the Cavalier. I really wanted to just get the remaining welding out of the way so started poking and cutting the chassis rail and ended up with this: The inner skin here was discoloured as you can see, but it was actually just the rusted outer skin that was sort of stuck to it. When I cleaned it back it was still perfectly solid, so I patched the outer up: Seam sealed and sprayed with underseal to protect it (I sprayed weld thru primer on the exposed inner skin before welding): Then made a start on the rest of the chassis rail, near the subframe mounting point. I started poking at the 2 areas where the outer skin was blown out and the holes steadily grew as I cut out more rust: The inner skin was gone a bit in some areas. Kept cutting back until I got to clean metal, the inner and outer skin immediately surrounding the subframe mounting point was still solid on both sides, which was a relief as I really didn't want to have to take the entire subframe out to rebuild it. Got the inner all sorted and welded a new outer skin on, as you can see it grew in size a bit from the photo above: Got the section on the left cut out and welded up as well, then seam sealed and undersealed, again everything behind the repair was all coated in weld thru primer: Also got the front left protected, it looks much better now it is in black: I'll be taking the driver's front wing off tomorrow, I noticed a rust hole in a similar place to the repairs I had to do on the passenger side, so that will need addressing, plus the back side of the wing itself is a bit rusty, so I want to treat it, and see what I can do about the hole in the wing behind where the front bumper mounts. So just that and the driver's rear sill to sort for now and that is all of the immediate holes that need to be sorted. Good progress, but I really want to start on getting the engine fitted, once it's sat in the bay it will all feel a bit more real. Lots of stuff completed, but from the outside the car doesn't look all that different yet haha.
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Last Edit: Sept 8, 2022 23:23:16 GMT by bilbomk1
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Sept 11, 2022 20:13:39 GMT
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Picked up the bits I didn't take when I bought the car this weekend. Got the left hand side put back together now that I had the chrome sill cover. Gave it a polish up with some metal polish and it came up alright. Gave the inside of the front wing a wire brush and rust convertered and undersealed it. There's a small hole in it right at the front but I'll deal with that in the future. Apart from the rear shock and spring the left hand side is done now, and it looks a little bit more like a car: I took the driver's wing off and gave a few bits a prod with the screwdriver. Some welding will be needed but nowhere near as much as the passenger side. Also gave the engine another test fit now the manifold and heater are out the way. Got a much better idea of what is needed, and I've decided after talking to my fabricator mate that notching the subframe will be the best idea to get the engine to fit. It won't take much to get it in there. I want to keep a balance between pushing it back in the bay and also keeping room for a brake booster/clutch master. Speaking of which I think I've decided to use the entire MX-5 pedal box setup, the Cavalier setup, even if I get a clutch pedal, was a cable clutch anyway. The firewall around there doesn't really have much room, so I'm planning on cutting out the firewall where everything came through before, and flat plating it, giving a blank template to cut out to fit the 5 pedals. Should be fairly straightforward.
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Sept 18, 2022 0:16:23 GMT
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So, was back at work this week so not as much time to spend on the Vauxhall but progress still being made. Took a look at the front bumper I picked up from the previous owner. Needs some metal polish and the outer side will clean up fine. The inside of the bumper was a bit rusty. gave it a good wire brush and it was all basically just surface rust, no holes or other issues. The mount points are all good. So I gave it a good coat of Hydrate80 and then got it painted to protect it: Came out pretty well I think. Been thinking about the fuel tank for a bit, so I finally bothered to pull the original tank out and have a proper look at it. My plan was to maybe fit the MX-5 fuel pump assembly into the top of the original tank, but there isn't a flat surface large enough to accommodate it, and the angle the pump assembly sits at it would contact the inside of the tank without modification. Seemed more effort than it was worth. So I bought a mk2.5 MX-5 fuel tank on Ebay for 30 odd quid. My pump assembly will obviously go straight into this with no modification as it's the right tank for it. Meaning I can now retain the original OE returnless fuel system, with just 1 fuel line going to the engine bay. The 5 tank is a totally different shape of course, so I put it into the boot in roughly the same place as the original to get an idea for mounting. There are 4 main attachment points on the tank, 1 on each corner. The front ones will be easy, I'll just use a bolt and spreader through the floor above the diff. I'll likely have the bolt facing up into the car if there isn't much room between the axle and the floor. Not the best photo but you can see one of the attachment points here, it's butted up directly onto the hump in the floor, so this should be fairly easy to sort. The rear of the tank is going to be a little more involved as it is raised a few inches off the boot floor when I mocked it up nice and level: Looks a little awkward here, but we have a load of box section laying around the unit, so I'm going to chisel off the old underseal/insultation stuff and weld a bracket into the floor for the 2 rear attachment points, and bolt the tank directly to that. All fairly straightforward. You can see the fuel filter and the original fuel boot exit point on the left. I'll work out the best placement for it, and then I'll make up a bracket for the filter, and run some rubber lines from the tank down to it. I'll be making an entirely new fuel line to go to the engine bay, as the original is very old, and there's no point even trying to use it, it shouldn't be too difficult to make up a new one. The filler on the 5 tank is on the correct side in this configuration, so I'll make up a pipe to go to the petrol cap, it looks like it'll be fairly simple to do. The tank breather I will just run into the bung at the bottom of the spare wheel well. The whole tank assembly I will be able to cover with the original tank rubber plate thing with some minor modification, and there is still a decent amount of boot available. The tank will sit far forward enough to not be an issue in the event of a rear end collision. I really need to get around to doing the driver's side suspension bits. The front right is looking very dodgy right now: This photo is taken directly above the wheel. Quite a lot of camber going on, I think something may have broken down behind there haha. The wheel, even with the nuts tight, also has a bit of a nasty wobble when moved at 12 and 6, so I have bought new front wheel bearings to do on both sides. I have all the other parts to rebuild this side, so I'll get that sorted in the next week. Obviously no update is complete without more rust work, so here is the inner wing/front of the sill on the driver's side after I removed the front wing and started prodding at and cutting out the rust spots: A bit of rot, but honestly not that bad at all, and fairly simple to sort. Lopped the front off of my full sill section and started with rebuilding the front of the sill and the areas above it. The jacking point and floor above it are actually decent on this side, so far less work was required than on the passenger side. Got it all cut out, inner all cleaned up and sprayed, and welded the new bits on. Went pretty well: Then I cut out the 2 holes on the inner wing back to good metal, made up a couple of plates and got them welded in. Front corner is looking much better now with it all seam sealed, primed, and painted: Good progress, and I am so close on the rust work now. Just the rear sill on this side left to do, and a couple of minor little holes here and there, and then it is done for now! Hoping to have the front subframe notched in the next couple of weeks so we can actually try and get the engine in. Have also secured a set of JBW Minilights from a mate, a fairly decent size compared to the original 5j wheels, so they should fill the big arches quite nicely without needing to roll or touch the arches in any way. I'm planning on running a really large sidewall tyre, 70 profile, to give it a proper retro look. So much left to do, but one job at a time, getting there.
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Sept 19, 2022 23:06:38 GMT
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So I got on with the driver's rear sill today. As I said previously this side was nowhere near as far gone as the passenger sill, but still a bit of work was needed. With the chrome sill cover off I did some poking, and there was a fair amount of very soft metal, which resulted in this: That whole area there was little of the outer worth bothering to save, so I got the entire affected section cut out. The rear sill wall wasn't too bad at all after a bit of wire wheeling, so I got all the rust removed and gave the inner a good coat of weld thru primer. To be honest I got a bit ahead of myself with the primer, as you can see some bits still needed sorting on the rear wall, so I buzzed some of the primer back off and got the lower edge sorted, and welded up the inner plate before mocking up the outer sill skin. All went pretty well, the full sill panel for this side came in really handy and the part I cut off fit really quite well. I got it all welded up: As you can see the arch edge had rusted away on the left hand side, so I got the affected area all cut back and welded up, and gave the sill welds a light seam seal which I will paint over this week. This entire repair is basically covered by the chrome sill plate and the chrome arch edging, but I wanted to get it all solid rather than bodge it. Not a 100% pretty repair, but I think this repair came out better than the passenger side, and I'm quite happy with how it looks. I just need to rebuild the rear arch wall at the back of the sill, just a small square to weld up as the old metal there was gone. Should have that done in the next couple of days. Got a couple of bits of welding left here and there, but all the major points are now done: Nearside rear sill Offside rear sill Nearside front inner wing and sill end Nearside front jacking point Offside front inner wing and sill end Offside front chassis rail Offside centre chassis rail Various floorpan patches Quite happy with the amount completed in a short time, just want to get to the fun stuff like getting the engine in soon. Booking my friend's time for the subframe notching hopefully this weekend, so hopefully we will have the engine in place very soon.
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Sept 22, 2022 13:11:02 GMT
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Picked up the new wheels last night off a mate. A set of JBW Superlites, 13x7 ET-7. Have seen these on a mk1 Cavalier and I think they look good, and should fit with no arch modification. A set of 185/70/13s on these will suit the car I reckon. Here's the car I found with them on. They look to be the same in terms of dish, though I can't tell from the photo if they are JBW, or perhaps some Compomotives etc. Can't find any more information on this car, if anyone knows who's it was, let me know. I'd like to ask if the wheels were the same size as mine.
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1980 Vauxhall Cavalier - MX-5 VVT engine/box conversion, GSXR ITBs
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Bilbo's mk1 CavalierDarrenW
@darrenw
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Sept 22, 2022 14:14:49 GMT
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It'll look great with those on! Enjoyable thread, I do like a Mk1 Cavalier
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Sept 22, 2022 15:02:40 GMT
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It'll look great with those on! Enjoyable thread, I do like a Mk1 Cavalier Thanks mate, I think it will! I hope I like them too, I've not actually driven one before, so I hope this is all worth it haha.
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1980 Vauxhall Cavalier - MX-5 VVT engine/box conversion, GSXR ITBs
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Bilbo's mk1 CavalierDarrenW
@darrenw
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Sept 22, 2022 15:07:25 GMT
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It'll look great with those on! Enjoyable thread, I do like a Mk1 Cavalier Thanks mate, I think it will! I hope I like them too, I've not actually driven one before, so I hope this is all worth it haha. Many years ago (back in the mid 1990s I think) I drove from central London to Newcastle in a Mk1 Cavalier, no idea what engine but it was white with a red interior. Quite a nice old thing to be in even back then!
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Last Edit: Sept 22, 2022 15:07:41 GMT by DarrenW
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Sept 22, 2022 15:11:42 GMT
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Thanks mate, I think it will! I hope I like them too, I've not actually driven one before, so I hope this is all worth it haha. Many years ago (back in the mid 1990s I think) I drove from central London to Newcastle in a Mk1 Cavalier, no idea what engine but it was white with a red interior. Quite a nice old thing to be in even back then! I have heard they were an alright car to be in compared to a lot of other stuff produced at the time, though I'm not sure that is saying much haha. Ah red interior, god I wish I had red interior. It wouldn't go with the current paint as just too much red, but I'd love to paint this the same as my MX5, and I've got to find a red interior somewhere if I do, it'd be so perfect.
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Sept 23, 2022 0:34:48 GMT
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So I got over to the unit this evening to test fit the Superlites. Can't wait to get tyres on them: They are going to fit perfectly. It'll be very close to the arch, but I think they should go on with no arch rolling required, which is what I want. These arches are in good condition, and I don't want to disturb them haha. I got a little impatient about tyres, and just wanted to fit a single tyre to one of them to get an idea of what they will look like. had a bit of a mare with the tyres on the tyre machine, so a mate gave me a hand and we (sort of) got one fitted. It's a 165 R13, so a little more stretch than I will actually have on my planned tyre size, but we got a basic idea. Those of you with good eyesite can probably see the issue straight away haha. As I said we only sort of got a tyre fitted, and this is why: Now keep in mind these tyres are very very old, hard, and deteriorating. Managed to get the tyre off the Vauxhall wheel without much hassle, but the bead was so stiff that it just wouldn't go onto the Superlites without wanting to tear. So I tore a bead a bit on one tyre, then my mate gave another of them a go, and it was much the same. Anyway he persevered and got it onto the wheel. Any of you who have ever tried to fit a stretched tyre to a wheel will know that it can be a right pain to do it normally. So we resorted straight away to the good old hairspray fire method. Usually works a treat. Well it did work this time, just a little too well. As the hairspray ignited and beaded the tyre the pressure literally blew the entire side of the tyre apart. The bang as all the pressure escaped was absolutely mental, the wheel went about a foot in the air, and it blew the tub of tyre soap over and ripped the label off of it hahaha. Our ears were ringing, I was stood about 8 feet away, poor guy was right next to the tyre when it happened. He almost had a heart attack hahaha. After about 3 seconds of shock we were absolutely p*ssing ourselves, never seen a tyre do that and we've done it loads of times. Lesson learned: Don't use fire to mount a tyre that is probably close to 30 years old haha. Anyway, mounting this tyre gave me an idea of what might fit. I reckon a 185/70 tyre will be bang on and give enough arch clearance, but we will see when I actually get hold of some, preferably some new tyres that won't try to kill us.
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ChrisT
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Bilbo's mk1 CavalierChrisT
@christ
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Sept 23, 2022 5:06:29 GMT
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All sounds like great fun, those wheels are going to look awesome
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Sept 24, 2022 23:22:41 GMT
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All sounds like great fun, those wheels are going to look awesome Thanks, I think they will too, will make a massive difference to the rusty old standard steels.
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Sept 24, 2022 23:51:42 GMT
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Found some more rust. Not the end of the world, but the triangular bracket below it is for the throttle pedal bolts, so I think I'll get this sorted. Wouldn't want the pedal to go through into the front arch when I boot it haha Bit of rust above that section as well, goes straight into the engine bay, will be easy enough to sort. Glad I spotted this, it was just a tiny pinhole before I buzzed it back. Today I finally got around to doing the front driver's side suspension bits. It was in a bit of a state: Everything was a bit rusty, old underseal was all flaking off, various splits in ball joint dust covers, needed some love. Started by taking everything off, most bits came undone fine actually, just the bolts on the top ball joint and the stabiliser link had to be cut off, much the same as the other side. Didn't follow common safety guidance of compressing the spring, did exactly what I did on the other side. Undo everything, stand back at arms length and smack the top ball joint with a lump hammer. The spring removes itself, very efficient 😂 With everything removed I wire brushed things down and got some Hydrate80 painted on. No issues with any of the parts, just surface rust. The brake dust shield was a little scabby, but still plenty useable. Everything turned nice and black: Let it dry and then primed: And finally painted: Got the new lower ball joint pressed in with some help from a mate, and then got all the new parts out and fitted. All went pretty well and it's looking great now! Front end stuff is now mostly done, going to get new discs ordered and get the new wheel bearings fitted. Should probably refurb the calipers soon, been putting it off as they're sat in a box looking absolutely god awful haha.
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Sept 25, 2022 20:28:19 GMT
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Love this! Bookmarked
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Sept 26, 2022 0:02:00 GMT
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Thanks mate! Still so much to do, it's killing all my spare time haha.
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Sept 26, 2022 0:28:02 GMT
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So I finally bothered to do the calipers today. I didn't get any good photos of them before, so here's a crappy portrait photo of them disassembled: They were very corroded. The retaining pins were seized in place in both parts of the caliper, and one of the pads had become stuck to the yoke end of the caliper. Bit of spray and some prolonged punch work and a few swings of the hammer and everything was free and off. The old retaining pins and spreader springs were in pretty bad shape, one of the retaining pins even snapped on removal. Luckily I had already bought a new set of both. I got the brake hoses removed, the banjo bolts are a bit past their best so I will probably replace them. What surprised me was the condition of the pistons. Looked inside the banjo bolt hole as best I could and the piston looks brand new. The piston dust covers are still good, and there appears to be no leakage from the fluid still inside the caliper, so the seals seem to be fine as well. I managed to push both pistons in by hand, neither were seized at all. So I'm not going to touch either of them for now, we'll see if everything behaves when it comes to fitting and bleeding them down the line. I cleaned the calipers up a bit and sprayed them in some silver caliper paint. Got the heater on them to dry them quicker, and then immediately ruined how nice and shiny they looked by re-assembling everything with dirty grease covered gloves. Genius. I'm not too bothered about them looking perfectly painted, they still look way better than they did, and now have functional pins and spreader springs installed, as well as new pads. I've also ordered new discs that should arrive this week, as well as steering rack boots, both of the current ones are split quite badly. We've pencilled in the subframe notching work for next week, but annoyingly the engine mount blank plates I bought that are supposed to be MX-5 specific don't appear to be drilled correctly to fit on the 1.8 block at all, so I'll need to buy some more 5mm plate for those.
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