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May 29, 2023 14:15:59 GMT
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I love this van, but oh boy that's a lot of bran flakes and holes! Having seen what you've completed already I am sure that you'll happily crack on as usual and do an awesome job.
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May 29, 2023 16:37:52 GMT
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I think we all feel like this now and again when the rust god keeps on giving even though you’ve requested him to stop. You’ve already done some great work on this van so there’s no reason to think you can’t finish it.
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May 29, 2023 17:41:36 GMT
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As so many have said, bite by bite.
You are and have done so incredibly well.
Just take it a step at a time.
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Deano
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Fella's, I just want to say a massive thank you for all your lovely comments and support!! This has really made me feel truly confident in myself, something I don't have personally, plus I am so glad I can share all these up and down moments with you guys because you can relate to the pain or have an understanding of what it is like. I will most definitely be doing it bit by bit, I can't wait to share the finale of this epic journey with you lot!
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Deano
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With the biggest regret that I'm actually typing this out, but I want to let you guys know I've finally decided after much battling on that I submit defeat. I decided to have a wee go and start on a contained section on the A pillar, however when I cut into for further inspection it quickly became clear the whole pillar would need replacing as it was ready to become holed with all the rust. I then decided I'd come back and look at the other side, to which that proved to be almost the same. So after finishing up and looking at the rest of the roof guttering, I made the hard decision to give in. Heartbroken doesn't quite cut it, but self preservation and also learning where to draw the line when safety becomes an issue makes it not worth continuing on with. She will be stripped of any more useful parts, the engine and gearbox will be removed this weekend and in the coming weeks will eventually meet her maker.
I want to thank you all so so much for the incredible feedback, the encouragement and of course for following this thread! This isn't going to put me off at attempting another future project, but for it to be one that meant everything to have finished one day, it just wasn't meant to be. There's only so many challenges one guy can overcome on his own, unfortunately this just wasn't one of them. Thank you all again!!
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Can you buy replacement sections even if cut from another vehicle?
If man built it then man can rebuild it.
Do you have any pictures?
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These are broken quite regularly, you should be able to get a section cut from another van.
I can think of someone local to me who has day vans for breaking regularly.
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Can you buy replacement sections even if cut from another vehicle? If man built it then man can rebuild it.Do you have any pictures? ^^^^^^ This 100%
All of us have arrived at this point at one time or another. Throw a cover over it, take a break, enjoy yourself and come back to this when the time is right - that might be a week, a month, a year or longer. You have done some really incredible work to date, it would be a shame if you couldn't carry on. I know if I had your skills and, more importantly, your youth I would give it a bit more
That being said, it's your project and your decision. I greatly admire the effort you have put into this to date.
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Last Edit: Jun 5, 2023 6:00:32 GMT by wildrover
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I had the same decision to make when I was about half way through my Cortina. The whole boot floor, rear chassis rails and spring hangers were rotten. The rails had been plated over with metal the same thickness as bean tins and covered in black cr4p.
It seemed a huge amount of work to under take and I didn’t know how to make them in the first place. I put a wanted add on a forum and managed to buy the back half of a car imported from Portugal and cut the bits I needed from that.
There is a way to do anything but if it’s not giving you the enjoyment then I totally understand your decision get rid
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Deano
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Guys, thank you all so kindly once again for the feedback. I absolutely agree that while I could continue to pursue looking for another van to cut sections out of, I'd rather have one solid or as good as van and make a great one. Same ideology went with the Fiesta, I had to sacrifice the silver one but in the end it worked in my absolute favour and now have a fantastic looking white one. With moving house but also for my mentality, I've eventually came to this decision, so it can allow me to breath and give my garage up instead of forever being at my wits end to keep it. The engine and gearbox will be pulled, however should I find myself a decent shell with a lousy engine, you can all bet this thread will be resurrected.
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Sorry to read this,you've put some much work into it, BUT, "it's a wise man that knows his own limitations" ...
Upwards on onwards !
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Last Edit: Jun 5, 2023 11:52:50 GMT by westbay
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Sad to hear this deano. All those new panels and the work to put them in... But even if it doesn't get saved, this van has probably given you skill and experience that will benefit you in the future. Kind of fitting since you grew up with it... Pitty this one isn't closer to you. All that sunbaked desert sheetmetal would be a nice match to your driveline. But shipping a non runner to you would probably be very expensive... tucson.craigslist.org/pts/d/tucson-1979-gmc-van/7626567218.html
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Deano
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Cheers Westbay and Metalshapes! Westbay, I totally agree it's important to know where your limits are. I'm a firm believer in pushing them, but with everything else going on right now moving house and being in a slight financial situation constantly chasing my tail for renting my separate garage and then keeping my house too, I've got to put my future first and be sensible. It will allow me to have a bit more breathing space and then for the time being I can focus on my 2 Fiesta's (The white one needing nothing, however I have a MK3 which may be next in line for a restoration thread!) until I can find myself a decent van within my level of workable Metalshapes, thank you very kindly for that! I'm not overly upset about throwing away all this work, because as you said it has given me an incredibly vast amount of experience in battling against the rust. I had the opportunity to stop when I was doing the interior strip-out right at the start, but I didn't because I wanted to keep finding out what my capabilities were which proved to be a bit more than I thought! But I eventually met my match and despite constantly trying to find good metal, I called it a day, for my sake and my future's sake. I'd love to buy that van so bad! I had briefly looked at postage quotes and getting it brought over, however it equated to something ludicrous like 4,500 Pounds!! I'd happily have gone for it if I could have gotten postage within the 2,000 Pounds mark but my overly optimistic getting the better of me once more Massive amount of appreciation to all of you guys for chipping in some ideas for saving her, but my mind is made up, for the better and for an incredible possible restoration in the not too distant future
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I too am sorry to see this series of entries, but you have given it way more than most people would.
And you can be rightfully proud of what you’ve accomplished and learned from this build.
There are a load of people looking at you in admiration.
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glenanderson
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For what it's worth I think you are making the right call.
Regardless of the sentiment involved, you're at the wrong time in your life to get swamped with the unforseen work.
Google "Sunk Cost Fallacy" and you'll see that it's actually a psycological trap we're kind of wired to fall into; the whole "I'm in too deep to stop" thing, that if you're honest with yourself, it's actually better to walk away.
I am a fine one to talk (as are most of us, to be fair), but I definitely agree with your decision here.
If you really want one of these vans once the rest of the stuff you have going on has calmed down, then buying a rust-free example from a dry state would be a way better course of action. Even one that needed a full mechanical going through.
IMHO, the biggest problems with conversions like this is the poor quality of the work done right at the time the thing was built. The way things get finished in unseen areas under the roof, bodykit and windows is a horror story just waiting to be uncovered. That 2015 picture shows that the rot had set in above the windscreen even then. In reality, when your mum decided to park it up was probably the last point at which any sensible restoration could have started.
Onwards and upwards. Don't lose sleep about it now the decision has been made.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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Deano
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For what it's worth I think you are making the right call. Regardless of the sentiment involved, you're at the wrong time in your life to get swamped with the unforseen work. Google "Sunk Cost Fallacy" and you'll see that it's actually a psycological trap we're kind of wired to fall into; the whole "I'm in too deep to stop" thing, that if you're honest with yourself, it's actually better to walk away. I am a fine one to talk (as are most of us, to be fair), but I definitely agree with your decision here. If you really want one of these vans once the rest of the stuff you have going on has calmed down, then buying a rust-free example from a dry state would be a way better course of action. Even one that needed a full mechanical going through. IMHO, the biggest problems with conversions like this is the poor quality of the work done right at the time the thing was built. The way things get finished in unseen areas under the roof, bodykit and windows is a horror story just waiting to be uncovered. That 2015 picture shows that the rot had set in above the windscreen even then. In reality, when your mum decided to park it up was probably the last point at which any sensible restoration could have started. Onwards and upwards. Don't lose sleep about it now the decision has been made. Big thank you for this Glen! I agree with every bit of what you said, it pretty much sums up how I feel about things in general and that it's starting to become too excessive. It's great knowing that this has gained so many different opinions and that majority of people would have loved to see this van saved, but I'm also really glad that everyone can see it's a hard decision but really wise one. I'm retaining the engine and gearbox as well as ancillaries so come the time I happen to pick up a van that needs a going through or engine goes kapoot, her one is here at hand! I've got some plans for the engine while it is out, maybe need to continue it on this thread Absolutely agree, I was actually quite mortified to find how the conversion modification aftermath was left. The interior parts were definitely of good quality, but the cheapness of the tidying up wires when all the lining and interior work is out the way amazed me, in a bad way! You're spot on there, if I were old enough to know anything about vehicle preservation back then it would be amazing to see her still going, but I wouldn't be where I am now if I did so it all happens for a reason. Thank you once more Glen, I look forward to seeing what the future has for me and I can't wait to share it with you all when the time comes.
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Deano
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Sept 16, 2023 18:05:42 GMT
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Hi everyone, so I thought I'd come back to this thread just to give you all an update on what's happened. Cindy is no longer in my possession, I'm sure you guys are thinking the worst possible outcome was reached and that she met her maker, inevitably scrapped? Well I have very good news on that side of things! A few very close friends of my Dad have actually came and rescued her, both very competent in their trades, one being an incredible mechanic and his brother being an amazing welder and fabricator. I did warn them that everything I had done on this van was single handed by me and me only (Except for the part of lifting the hightop and cutting the windscreen out) so what they were going to see and have to work with was questionable 🤣 I'm now no longer renting the garage that she resided in and have now gave it up, while the journey and what I'd achieved in there on my own was something I'll never ever forget and one of the biggest most turn of emotions I'd ever experienced in life, I'm now stress free and able to concentrate on sorting out my house and getting back on my feet instead of chasing my tail every week. I want to thank you all again for the incredible feedback, constructive criticism and most importantly, dedicating your time to watching how this restoration went over the year I took her on. Unfortunately I didn't win this one, but the journey truly was something that pushed me and made me realise what I could actually do, from being taught nothing from anyone except myself! Just pickup the welder and don't hold back! There was no money or time wasted, every bit of it was worth it and I'd do it all over again if I got the chance. Thank you all once again! 😁
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