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metroman Part of things Posts: 816	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class metroman @metroman
	May 10, 2022 9:08:20 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Hi all, I want to get some input on dealing with the DVLA before getting myself into a hole... The car is an old special/kit car with current V5 and is currently in many bits. The taxation class is "Not Licenced" with date of first registration is xx xx 1990 and a "Special Note" on the front of the V5 stating "Was registered and/or used. declared manufactured 193x" The manufactured date most likely refers to the original donor car when it was built in the 60s. From what I can make out "Not Licenced" is a legacy status predating SORN and should be left until I need to tax the car with a V10 form. Does that sounds correct? helpful forum thread The bigger issue in my mind at least is the engine capacity which is not correct, by some margin. There is also no engine number on the V5, it just has AS CHASSIS. The engine does have a number. The obscure nature of the car means I am very wary of involving the DVLA at all, but also don't want to get into a debate about the cars identity after the restoration is complete and a lot of time and money has been invested. The V5 only has the "Make" specified which again refers to the original donor, but no "Type" or "Variant". "Body type" is correct and I have no intention of touching any of this, but if the car's identity is brought into question it's a very grey area! So - what do I do? These are my options as far as I can tell 1) nothing - restore the car, sort out the tax and use 2) restore the car, get it MOTed, sort the engine size and number then 3) write to DVLA now, requesting that the V5 be corrected with the correct engine size (unsure whether to provide the number unless asked) 4) reassemble the car so it could be inspected if required, then submit the request to DVLA ref the engine size All feedback and ideas welcome!! Many thanks James
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TessierAshpool Club Retro Rides Member Posts: 507 Club RR Member Number: 168	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class TessierAshpool @tessierashpool Club Retro Rides Member 168
	May 10, 2022 9:57:45 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	DVLA will likely ask for proof of the engine swap, which will probably entail getting a letter from a garage confirming they have seen the engine in the car. For that reason, I'd probably get that done by the MOT tester and sort the change then. The lack of model name is not unusual on older registration documents, I'd leave that alone. In my experience DVLA have been poor at entering correct model names retrospectively, suspect it's a case that if the model isn't in some standard list then they struggle. You won't be able to SORN until it's been taxed at least once at a point after the date the SORN law first came into effect, so leave the tax status alone and it'll all sort itself out once you come to tax it for the first time. You'll probably want to convert to Historic tax class when you do for £0 tax, which might make the engine capacity change somewhat academic as it won't affect tax rates then, although might still be a good idea for insurance purposes.
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slater Club Retro Rides Member Posts: 6,390 Club RR Member Number: 78	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class slater @slater Club Retro Rides Member 78
	May 10, 2022 14:09:07 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Not sure if its relevant really but I've done engine swaps on cars before and never told the DVLA myself. I have however told the insurance (ofcourse) and subsequently the DVLA information has been changed without me ever contacting them. Happened to me twice now.


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winchman Part of things Posts: 713	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class winchman @winchman
	May 10, 2022 17:06:20 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	I recently sold a motor bike I think it was from the early 90s or late 80s and the log book just said Yamaha and the engine and frame number so its not uncommon
	It will come in handy even if you never use it

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metroman Part of things Posts: 816	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class metroman @metroman
	May 10, 2022 20:28:28 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	It sounds like changing / correcting the engine size and number with the car on the road is the way to go then, unless anyone has reason to suggest otherwise? Cheers James
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crockpot Posted a lot Posts: 1,407	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class crockpot @crockpot
	May 11, 2022 6:11:24 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	May 10, 2022 20:28:28 GMT metroman said: It sounds like changing / correcting the engine size and number with the car on the road is the way to go then, unless anyone has reason to suggest otherwise? Cheers James Yes, just get it on the road then send off the V5c as usual ( unless it can be done online, it's been a while since I did one). Copy everything and send by signed for delivery, I do have experience of that paying off!
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93fxdl Posted a lot Enter your message here... Posts: 1,999	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class 93fxdl @93fxdl
	May 13, 2022 19:27:15 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Re stamp the engine number to match the log book. Only time this could be seen as incorrect is when it is done to commit fraud, as in fake matching numbers scam Ttfn Glenn


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dodgerover Posted hell of a lot "These days turned out nothing like I had planned" Posts: 5,877	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class dodgerover @dodgerover
	May 13, 2022 23:08:56 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	If it is registered historic then the DVLA own rules say you don't need to provide proof of anything to update the capacity and engine number. You will probably need to remind them of this if they ask for proof of the engine change. Do you currently have the logbook in your name? If not I would get one asap longer it's registered to you before you start making changes the better in my mind. Any old photos of the car from previous owners etc would be worth hanging onto our copying should any question ever arise about its identity, but it sounds like a FOI enquiry regarding the information they hold regarding when it was the re-registered in 1990 may put your mind at rest. I'm assuming it's a hot rod now running a V8 or similar?
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kevins Posted a lot Posts: 4,686	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class kevins @kevins
	May 14, 2022 7:37:12 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	That's worth knowing, our minor has the wrong capacity and engine number(insurance is correct), never bothered changing it because of the hastle to get the supporting paperwork, may give it a try now. Need to make up an engine number first though, it was lost when the block was machined.


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metroman Part of things Posts: 816	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class metroman @metroman
	May 17, 2022 8:26:04 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Thanks - useful information as always and has alleviated my concerns. V5 is in my name but I won't be restamping anything. As said, there is no engine number on the V5. I guess I could always stamp "AS CHASSIS" into the block! I will give the FOI a shot- that's a good idea. Cheers James
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jamesd1972 Club Retro Rides Member Posts: 2,834 Club RR Member Number: 40 Member is Online	DVLA Sanity Check: correcting capacity and taxation class jamesd1972 @jamesd1972 Club Retro Rides Member 40
	May 17, 2022 9:21:33 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top
	Changed the engine number on the LR which is registered as a historic just by sending in the V5 no evidence required at all but the cc did stay the same - the number on the original V5 was the old engine head casting number anyway ! On the LR it was more about getting at least one number correct if stopped though. Suspect little by little might be the way forward. Good luck. James


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