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Another that comes to mind (because I have one) is these The favourite village idiot, that comes up & says ‘ooh you know what Lotus stands for don’t you?’ Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious. There pretty much like any piece of machinery, thrash the daylights out of it & don’t maintain it & you can almost guarantee it will break. I think a lot of the issues with these is they are often owned my young lads who can’t really afford the maintenance & obviously drive them hard. They also seem to change hands a lot, when I was looking it wasn’t unusual to see cars with 10 to 15 owners & I rekon that’s asking for grieve. I looked for a long time & found mine, a two owner car (both mature guys) & it had only done 12k miles. It’s now just clocked 20k & so far has cost clutch master & slave rubbers, Other than routine service costs
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Apr 23, 2022 10:05:51 GMT
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On the subject of all old cars are great, all new ones are rubbish, I did write an article y'all may enjoy on Malaise Motors You can read that HERE
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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brachunky
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Apr 23, 2022 10:56:46 GMT
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On the subject of all old cars are great, all new ones are rubbish, I did write an article y'all may enjoy on Malaise Motors You can read that HEREGreat article! Made me laugh ( It’s like finally spotting the crow’s feet on your lover of 20 years’ face or something.)
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Apr 23, 2022 11:55:48 GMT
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I never got the whole thing against the Vectra B, ive had loads and nearly all the engines, I know a few had the F18 chocolate box, and the 2.0 suffered cam and crank sensors but on the whole I thought they were a brilliant car for what they were, a family wagon. Clarkson had a lot to do with it as usual, seems the man can single handedly destroy a cars reputation with one curse word review.
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Apr 23, 2022 12:00:01 GMT
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Clarkson had a lot to do with it as usual, seems the man can single handedly destroy a cars reputation with one curse word review. I think he rather enjoyed that power and used it far from wisely
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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norm75
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Apr 23, 2022 16:05:37 GMT
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I never got the whole thing against the Vectra B, ive had loads and nearly all the engines, I know a few had the F18 chocolate box, and the 2.0 suffered cam and crank sensors but on the whole I thought they were a brilliant car for what they were, a family wagon. Clarkson had a lot to do with it as usual, seems the man can single handedly destroy a cars reputation with one curse word review. I had a late mk3 cav, and thought it was a good car. I also used to use the manageress’ vectra from time to time at work and it used to make me feel like vomiting. I couldn’t decide whether it was something to do with the awful facia plastics or the overflowing ash tray that stank the car out (even as a smoker it was disgusting) On another note regarding the Delorean, a mates dad used to work in automotive design and was responsible for the design work for the interior door card/arm rests.
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stealthstylz
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Apr 23, 2022 17:29:00 GMT
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Clarkson had a lot to do with it as usual, seems the man can single handedly destroy a cars reputation with one curse word review. I think he rather enjoyed that power and used it far from wisely I think the problem with any reviewer is they have to have set test parameters so that different vehicles can be compared, which means that certain vehicles get shot down for not been good in a parameter that in reality nobody buying one would ever care about.
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Apr 23, 2022 19:07:45 GMT
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Tbh every car built in the 70s was curse word! Have I set the cat amongst the pigeons?? Back in the mid 80s I started my career in life of jobs as tyre and exhaust fitter for tyreservices GB I remember so many cars on the ramps literally hanging at 8 to 10 years old Everything from Mercedes’ to Austin’s Built in problems snapped engine mounts on Austin’s and minis Leading to a snapped front pipe Jaguars with inboard pads….cut hole in floor under seat don’t tell customer !! And it still amazes me how people fawn over mk1/2 escorts they were all hanging by there eighth year on the road I remember one of my work mates there had a 74 facelift capri He used to have to lift the door back on as the a post was rotten Although I get nostalgic over these types of cars That really was a bad era for poor cars , not just British ones
Slightly off the thread question, but relevant I think??
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Last Edit: Apr 23, 2022 19:16:47 GMT by Mercdan68
Fraud owners club member 1999 Jaguar s type 1993 ford escort
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Apr 23, 2022 19:23:07 GMT
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Vectra B series, how can you design such a hatefull car after getting the Cavalier MK3s just rightYou have very different experiences of mk3 Cavaliers than mine: I never drove one that was better than a mk2 in any way. And a low-spec 16valve mk3 was horrifically bad.
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Apr 23, 2022 19:56:45 GMT
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Cant remember was it the Escort MK4 or Mk5 that dissolved quicker than a spoonful of sugar in a cup of tea? As for the Frontera it didnt help that they used 4 different petrol engines and 3 different diesel engines in the A series over its 6 year production run but they were Ok motors for the price Vectra B series, how can you design such a hatefull car after getting the Cavalier MK3s just right Recall that I had a couple of Mk4 Escorts that rotted across the bulkhead and the sagging it created was easily visible😬
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2014 - Audi A6 Avant 3.0Tdi Quattro 1958 - Chevrolet Apache Panel Truck 1959 - Plymouth Custom Suburban 1952 - Chevrolet 2dr Hardtop 1985 - Ford Econoline E350 Quadravan 2009 - Ovlov V70 2.5T 1970 - Cortina Mk2 Estate 2007 - Fiat Ducato LWB 120Multijet 2014 - Honda Civic 2.2 CTDi ES
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Apr 23, 2022 20:30:44 GMT
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Tbh every car built in the 70s was curse word! Have I set the cat amongst the pigeons?? Bang on. Doesn't mean we don't love 'em, but they were objectively rubbish.
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60six
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Apr 23, 2022 21:04:37 GMT
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A mate of mine bought an alfa - can't remember the model but it was pearlescent in colour and had hidden door handles on the passenger doors, and the most stunning interior in black leather. He got through 3 timing belts and this was before the warranty limit of 60k miles so thankfully he didn't pay for it. It was the design of the belt travel that would cause massive premature wear.
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Some 9000's, a 900, an RX8 & a beetle
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braaap
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Then there is this legend, that certain Ford V6s can easily be ruined by driving too fast in sharp curves like autobahn exits, cause the oil film cuts off and pistons rund dry. I heard of somebody who got a new engine in his mondeo 24v after only 28.000kms.
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ChasR
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I think he rather enjoyed that power and used it far from wisely I think the problem with any reviewer is they have to have set test parameters so that different vehicles can be compared, which means that certain vehicles get shot down for not been good in a parameter that in reality nobody buying one would ever care about. I think this was the problem. The Mondeo at the time (Mk1, becoming the facelifted Mk2), was seen to be a pretty good car, with good steering, road manners, and space etc. The Vectras the time were also very tyre fussy, which probably didn't help matters when the bean counters got involved. Working in the industry, it's amazing how some brands will work with a car, and how some won't. It's then interesting to see the efforts a supplier will go to in order to try and get the business. It probably didn't help that some brands went to town with promoting their cars. Ford, for example, challenged Autocar to have competitors put against the launch of the then new Mondeo, which was unheard of at the time. But as Andrew Frankel said at the time, Ford was in a bad place with cars. The Sierra was getting old, and looking at old footage, not loved as it once was, and the Mk5 Escort was an exercise in cost cutting and it showed compared to its predecessors. My dad was a Ford man, and was pretty annoyed when he got his first Vectra as a company car, coming from a '92 Mondeo Si with a full RS kit, and a '91 Sierra Sapphire GLS before that. The Vectra had the more potent engine, but it did not have the roadholding from what my dad said at the time. It also wore them very strangely, despite many geo checks and so on. It wasn't until he put on (and the tyre fitter from experience suggested it) a set of Michelin Pilot Sport HXs. The car suddenly was fine, and got down the road well. The Vectra did bring a bit of modernity to the mix however, like the air conditioned glove box as standard, an on-board-computer, mentioning washer levels, oil level etc. which was only available in the BMW 5 series for a long time : Only the E90 3 Series would get something similar in 2005, or the MkIV Mondeo in 2008, they were lights only for most warnings. That said, driving -A Vectra C DTi 2.0 -My Sister's Saab 9-3 1.8t -Vauxhall Insignia Elite 2.0 CDTI (63 plate) I can see why the Vectra was slated, if the above two are to be compared with the Mk3 and 4 Mondeos we had against them. Christ, my sister preferred the Mk3 1.8 LX hand-me-down had with 320k on the clock, until we remapped the Saab, but even then, she preferred the roadholding of the Mondeo.
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brachunky
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That said, driving -A Vectra C DTi 2.0 -My Sister's Saab 9-3 1.8t -Vauxhall Insignia Elite 2.0 CDTI (63 plate) I can see why the Vectra was slated, if the above two are to be compared with the Mk3 and 4 Mondeos we had against them. Christ, my sister preferred the Mk3 1.8 LX hand-me-down had with 320k on the clock, until we remapped the Saab, but even then, she preferred the roadholding of the Mondeo. Your post prompted my thoughts about the very non retro Insignia. Personally, I like the cars including the estate and have been tempted to get one as a daily. I know as well that they are popular repmobiles so why is the general opinion (shown is resale values as well) so iffy? They tend to get slated a lot and I for one don't get it apart from the popular anti Vauxhall rhetoric bounded about.
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stealthstylz
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They're terrible cars, which is a shame as they're one of the best looking saloons of that era.
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I had those Insignias as hire cars from work several times and concur, they're terrible.
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Apr 24, 2022 10:00:44 GMT
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Anyway, back OT. When I were a lad, the 3.0 Capri had a fearsome reputation for attempted murder...'It'll try to kill you!' was the cry, 'backwards through a hedge most likely!'
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mikek
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Apr 24, 2022 10:04:41 GMT
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I bought a 3 ltre Capri that had done exactly that as the source of an engine for a Mk 2 Crayford cortina I had . Was a perfect combination
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Apr 24, 2022 10:10:17 GMT
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Anyway, back OT. When I were a lad, the 3.0 Capri had a fearsome reputation for attempted murder...'It'll try to kill you!' was the cry, 'backwards through a hedge most likely!' Move into the 21st century and as a recovery driver I attended several ordinary 3 series BMWs that had done just that with the driver saying "I don't know how it happened"
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