sonus
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Need a bit of advice to help my father. He has found a rare rear axle for a Standard 10 in the UK that he wants shipped to Norway. However most shippers will not touch it as the seller is a private individual and can not issue an VAT invoice. He actually had the axle picked up, but the shipper returned it to the seller as they stated the pick up was a mistake on their part as it wasn't accompanied by a VAT invoice 😔
Anyone had large car parts exported to a private individual outside UK? How did you in this case do it?
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where abouts in the uk is the axle if it is near me i could always collect it for you . and have it collected from me
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As I understand it there won't be any VAT documentation for a secondhand part, so you would pay Norweigen VAT on the full price, I think all you need is a simple declaration form as you do for posting parcels abroad,
I imagine your problem is the people who move something large are only set up for commercial shipments and the ones who specialise in personal shipments don't do anything this large.
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sonus
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As I understand it there won't be any VAT documentation for a secondhand part, so you would pay Norweigen VAT on the full price, I think all you need is a simple declaration form as you do for posting parcels abroad, I imagine your problem is the people who move something large are only set up for commercial shipments and the ones who specialise in personal shipments don't do anything this large. That is correct. The companies that deal with personal shipments do not handle large items like a rear axle and the companies that do only do commercial stuff. So we’re kind of stuck inbetween 😔
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sonus
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where abouts in the uk is the axle if it is near me i could always collect it for you . and have it collected from me Thanks for the offer, but unless you can transform the item into a commercial shipment somehow I think we’ll have the same issue I am afraid.
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Current 1968 TVR VIXEN S1 V8 Prototype 2004 TVR T350C 2017 BMW 340i
Previous BMW 325d E91LCI - sold Alfa Romeo GTV - sold Citroen AX GT - at the breakers Ford Puma 1.7 - sold Volvo V50 2.0d - sold MGB GT - wrecked by fire MG ZT 1.8T - sold VW E-golf Electric - sold Mini Countryman 1.6D -sold Land Rover Discovery TD5 - sold
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You don’t have to have a vat form even if it’s commercial. Many many companies within the uk are NOT vat registered & still export items, the vat element has nothing to do with it.
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This is a post brexit "process" issue. As usual big business has been defined, person to person trade has been left hanging...
The commercial carriers are set up to declare no vat paid in the UK and facilitate VAT payment for the goods in the receiving country. Likewise if the product was majority manufactured in the UK (i.e. not like the Honda plant engines that traversed the EU several times before making being put in the vehicle) no addition duty is payable in the receiving country. However this is for new, Not secondhand goods.
I have purchased a couple of medium value items from UK suppliers and imported in to France post Brexit and can confirm this system works well.
The tax process is is either too convoluted, undefined or misunderstood for individual person to person second hand goods for the carriers to bother. Witness fleabay and the stupid charges for me if I am daft enough to buy something small and low value from the UK. To make matters worse it has been left to individual EU countries to define their import charges for these goods. A secondhand UK car purchase and export to France is now obscenely costly to the point of not being worthwhile anymore.
You best bet would be to find a carrier that caters for shipping specifically between UK and Norway and knows their processes. In France there are "white van men" that cater specifically for this market, see if you can find one for Norway.
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Is RR pony express an option?
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Hi, From what I understand each single item has to have all its relevant paperwork, not insubstantial, so if a carrier has got lots of person to person consignments they can end up with a cab full of paperwork and the consequent delays. There's a member on the Mig welding forum that owns a shipping company, part of the pallet network has been bemoaning all this and the drop off of trade, so was gaining HMRC accreditation to alleviate this. So give him a try to see if he can help. - www.speedshift.co.uk/ Colin
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I’ve sold quite a few second hand items into Europe since brexsh1t.
The size or value shouldn’t really be an issue. You just need to pick the right commodity code that applies to it and means it doesn’t get more than a casual glance at customs. As long as it looks like what it says it is and the VAT is being paid at the other end they don’t actually seem to care. It seems it’s more down to carriers not wanting to deal with anything new rather than as actual red tape.
It’s actually no different to exporting to anywhere else in the world, and that’s been going on for years with little trouble.
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Whilst this is a 'Brexit problem', as Dez has said, there has always been a world outside of the EU to which we can ship things (commercially or personally). I've sent a few 'big' things internationally (personal to personal) in the past couple of years, including to Europe post-Brexit, and would recommend carpartcouriers.co.uk - they have a specific pallet department, which is what you'll need to do with an axle, email: support@palletcourier.co.uk They have always provided whatever paperwork is needed, and advised what commodity code I should used, etc.
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There are loads of options around the customs bit you mention. you can list it as 'gift', 'warranty' or even just put the value at £20 or less, job done. I don't know where you are getting all tied up with vat or commercial etc, it makes absolutely no difference either way
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2022 13:32:36 GMT by rattlecan
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Rich
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Exporting larger items from the UK?Rich
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There are loads of options around the customs bit you mention. you can list it as 'gift', 'warranty' or even just put the value at £20 or less, job done. I don't know where you are getting all tied up with vat or commercial etc, it makes absolutely no difference either way No one is getting tied up about VAT. Plenty of sensible actual answers offered here already.
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There are loads of options around the customs bit you mention. you can list it as 'gift', 'warranty' or even just put the value at £20 or less, job done. I don't know where you are getting all tied up with vat or commercial etc, it makes absolutely no difference either way No one is getting tied up about VAT. Plenty of sensible actual answers offered here already. The op seemed to be which was my point
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Oh & just one further point Norway are not in the EU, they do , however, adhere to the vast majority of its rules & regs etc, but are not a member
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Have you tried transglobal express i have used them them with no agro
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Last Edit: Apr 5, 2022 15:27:03 GMT by cpj105e
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Talk to a ‘Freight Forwarder’, they will arrange carriage, documentation and payment of any taxes …
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Sell it on Ebay to him for a token fee and use the import code?
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Is RR pony express an option? This is tricky ground now. My gut feeling is no, and that it would create alot of grief. 2.5T to 3.5T UK based vehicles transporting goods (i.e Vans and beavertail pickups) will now need an Operator's licence. It's more faff, cost, and hassle that most people just don't want to deal with. I used to deal with O-Licences in a previous, and it's quite a faff for a small time operator to deal with. If folks moan about an MOT, they should try O-Licences. You have -A Traffic Light scoring system (OCRS) where advisories, maintenance update failures, tax updates and MOT failures go against you. A mistake? Tough curse word, you are an inadequate operator and will be score accordingly, in the eyes of the law. -Regions that need updating as a vehicle goes from region to region -I think Tachographs also enter the equation as well, so the management of Digicards comes in too, albeit this is smaller for a smaller operator. But it's still a hassle and on-cost they never had before. It's been such a faff, that a friend of mine who used to European drop offs won't be doing them anymore. He's been dropping off cars to Europe for years now. There is something I would be aware of. It's not a massive issue, but it can make things costly as one poster has already said. The only problem I've had exporting things to the EU since Brexit has been customs charges, which may be worth bearing in mind. I sold the ST220 spare clutch to a chap in the Netherlands. As I made a mistake on the value of the clutch (£115 vs. £350, or almost £500 at full retail from Ford), it meant that luckily, the guy on the other side saved 130 Euros in customs charges. My guess is he knew the clutch for the 5 Speeds were Ford only and extortionate money from the dealer (sole supplier for a car of which only 600 were made with the 5 speed box). Mine was cheaper since I still get Ford discount. When my friend sold some magnesium Mk1 Clio V6 wheels to a chap in Italy, the chap paid some pretty hefty charges, but we are talking almost £2k for a set of wheels as well for a very niche market, so there was no way my friend was going to under-declare those, mistake or not, or how much the Italian insisted he did, understandably.
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How hard do they look at border checkpoints though? If something like that was in the back of a station wagon with your tent, spare clothes, and other gear piled on top would the customs people even notice or care if they did? Serious question. I've never crossed an international border on land so have no relevant experience.
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