alx
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Mar 22, 2022 14:57:49 GMT
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Hopefully the collective can help here...
I know most people's mojo ebbs and flows as part of a natural flux of daily stuff and external factors, but I just want to know if there's any tips or ways of working that people are doing that helps in getting car stuff done.
I've got a bunch of cars (probably problem number one) but I'm really struggling to get my mojo levels up and productively do stuff.
For me there's usual 'Adult' stuff that gets in the way:
1 - 40 hour working week 2 - Commuting - 2 to 3 hrs /day 3 - Dog walking - 1 to 2 hrs /day 4 - Wife 5 - Eating 6 - Sleeping 7 - Gym - I've found I need to train or I feel rubbish both mentally and physically etc. etc.
So, the question I'm posing is....how do you 'Adult' and play with cars effectively?
If it has any bearing on things I'm male, 49, married and generally a sane bloke who doesn't really go out on the lash but I'll enjoy a few drinks with my missus at home.
Cheers
AL.
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jmsheahan
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Mar 22, 2022 15:33:29 GMT
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A bunch of cars is always a blessing and curse. You probably tend to gravitate towards the ‘needs must’ maintenance stuff, daily etc, rather than the fun stuff if time is limited? It’s a tough one for sure, and I can fully sympathise/relate to that list you’ve got there! For me, I realised a while back that throwing spanners about and building cars plays a fundamental role in my mental health. Therefore I try hard to keep it a priority even when life gets hectic and fatigue sets in. A bad previous relationship meant I put it all on hold for a long time and it bit me badly. I’m very fortunate that I now have an understanding wife who’s supportive of the car antics. Hopefully you do too! Agreeing set spanner times helps me, for instance, this is a free weekend we’ve got, one day is ring-fenced for X on the cars. Gives you a little time to think about what you want to achieve. Chunking jobs down into smaller tasks helps too i.e say refurbishment of a part. 30 mins free one eve, clean it up. 10 mins free another time, prime it and so on. Jobs take longer but the little spurts of progress add up and help keep things moving forwards. Big fan of lists taped to the windscreen, garage wall etc. Scratching that item off with a sharpie (and inevitably adding 10 more items... ) can be liberating. If it’s general motivation, I find lending a mate a hand on their project for an evening, putting the world to rights can be a great booster and the bonus is that it works both ways. That problem you can't figure out how to solve? Your mate might just have the fresh perspective you need. Build threads on here are awesome. If you make your own, sometimes it's helpful to read back through them to remind yourself of how far you've gotten even it doesn't seem it a the time (project car pit of despair...). Assuming some of your fleet is roadworthy and good to go, can you combine some of your ‘adulting’ into the car stuff? For instance, bundling the dog and misses into one of my project cars and driving somewhere for a walk/pub lunch can help tick all of the boxes. Cars and coffee meets are massive now and the best thing about them is if you live a busy life and can't commit to a full car show, you can rock up for breakfast, wander about a bit and you’re home by 10-11 fed and inspired. Hope that may be of some help
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qwerty
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Mar 22, 2022 18:10:15 GMT
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I've suffered massively from this in the past due to a mixture of reasons.
Now I have a set day to go an do car stuff (a Saturday) and my Beetle is at my Brothers, so if I tell him I'm going along I feel more obliged to do so. Also the fact its at my brothers means that he either helps or he works on his own car which is a massive help.
Saying that I've done nowt on my own cars for weeks as we've just been working on his 😂
Tom
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Mar 22, 2022 18:17:16 GMT
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I've not adulted properly since before lockdown I reckon. I just feel a bit all over the place these days. But I try to do car stuff from time to time, and I find chatting with my friends helps, even if we just go to one of our garages, chat about the cars at cetera, and do very little else it helps to keep my mojo boosted
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Mar 22, 2022 18:31:44 GMT
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I honestly don’t know if I should reply.
I have struggled at times, and my 66 C10 has waited 7 years, for many reasons, mainly heartbreak, certainly not finances as all its new parts are bought and stored. It just needs a load of hours to be put in. In the mean time I have had a few distractions, Prozac, Not a Project, Galaxy-ish, Rumblegrizkin S10 and Covid time to do yard stuff. Now it is the Rezin Rockit, yet my eyes are always open for more random stuff to buy, refer to barstool racer and engines.
I notice all your cars have the same shape, function and 2 doors each………
Would getting rid of two break your heart?
Would a Nissan Micra be below you?
Of course that still does not get you out the front door to go recover mentally.
We all approach stuff differently, so maybe along with adulting, you need to assess whether you need or want a big fleet of responsibility (I have a BMW R1200GS that I have not ridden in 4 years a pile of parts 7 years, S10 Chevy driven “regularly” 100 miles a month, Rezin Rockit in progress and a cheap to use Focus company car) so not the best guy to tell you what to do.
Maybe consider reducing the fleet, get the wife involved, allocated toy time,even reassess what you want, you are allowed to change your mind.
Doubt all this makes any sense or difference, but I have been there.
A few times.
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Last Edit: Mar 22, 2022 20:21:55 GMT by grizz
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Mar 22, 2022 18:33:07 GMT
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I've not adulted properly since before lockdown I reckon. I just feel a bit all over the place these days. But I try to do car stuff from time to time, and I find chatting with my friends helps, even if we just go to one of our garages, chat about the cars at cetera, and do very little else it helps to keep my mojo boosted I totally understand. I am really thankful for nickwheeler being both company, and help here. We need company too.
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pptom
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Mar 22, 2022 18:56:22 GMT
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Personally, I'm not interested in a 'career' and so I happily do a way below average pay job, which is in no way stressful, has no commute and enables me to 'work from home' quite a bit since Covod. I get my work satisfaction from working on my projects. I've religiously stuck to doing just 1 project at a time as I've seen mates juggling loads of things and not getting one done. I also had a time a few years ago where I had several old motorbikes, of which, there was always one that needed work and I didn't enjoy firefighting with them. I try and get up the garage every day, maybe for just an hour after taking the dogs for a walk and I break things down into small wins. One day might be making a cardboard pattern, another making it out of in metal, another welding it in. It helps that we have no kids and my wife gets home from work about 2 hours after me, also that she likes watching rubbish on telly.
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Mar 22, 2022 20:05:21 GMT
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Skip the gym and use your car time as your 'gym time' I sometimes have to mentally push myself out into the garage, but once there I get recharged very quickly. I was bone tired from work yesterday, but Phil & I did 8.30 to 11pm and at 11pm I said I could actually carry on for a lot longer. I'm lucky that my mrs lets me spend most of my time in the garage without complaint, she is not very interested in cars at all. I agree with grizz - sell some of your fleet - I could not envisage working on more than one car at a time.
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Mar 22, 2022 20:36:13 GMT
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When we did our little survey last year about what people wanted more of etc. One of the most requested things was a variation of "how do you find the time", "how do you keep your mojo up".
I thought about it a lot and not got any answers yet.
But know you're not alone if you're struggling to find time and motivation. Hopefully RR can help recharge it occasionally.
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pauly22
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Mar 22, 2022 21:07:40 GMT
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Yeah
Work Monday to Friday, usually home between 4:30-5:30 2 kids under 4 Misses House See your mates and family Dig
Hard to find the time. Light nights will help a bit, too many projects don’t help either
I rarely get a proper full day of messing,
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Mar 22, 2022 21:14:20 GMT
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Lots of cars projects is a huge drain on resources, whether they're money, space, parts, work, motivation, time etc etc. Much the same applies to all the stuff that's too good to get rid of. I would start by deciding which two projects mean the most to me, and selling off(sounds better than getting rid of) the rest. If one of those is close to being a running, driving car, that's a bonus. Because the next step would be to concentrate on getting that usable. Otherwise, get some friends round, push the bits outside and layout everything so you can see it. That means you can prioritise the work so that jobs get done. One of the reasons for not doing this on your own is that you'll probably manage several small jobs as you do it. No matter how big the jobs list is, it should always include several small jobs that you can do in the time you can regularly find, even if that's just half an hour while dinner cooks. Priorities matter: spending £500 on the paint supplies before you've even built the chassis, or welded up the body, or acquired the engine is a very poor use of resources, as are new tyres and all sorts of other big stuff that will just sit around getting in the way. You might expect to be painting in six months, but it often turns into several years by which time you've changed your mind on the colour. Some of the steps along the way are huge boosts, like getting it on its wheels, fitting the body, first engine start, paint prep, being able to sit in it etc so working towards the next one is a good idea. And no, I've never managed to follow all of this advice
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Mar 22, 2022 21:18:32 GMT
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I have struggled for the past year following the loss of both parents. We've had to clear out their house - I live in a small 2-bed bungalow and they had a 4-bed semi. My Dad was a keen photographer so I have boxes upon boxes of negatives and slides. The garage is currently rammed with stuff, I have no space and nowhere to put things, so until it's sorted, I can't play cars. Plus my electrical genius friend's wife is a really high-risk category so he can't come out to help with my electrics (which I do NOT understand, even if it's just basic wiring). So it's taken a back seat for now. I have ordered an enormous wooden trunk that I can put in the corner of the garage to hold a whole load of Dad's stuff, so there's light at the end of the tunnel for me. I struggle with one project - I have no idea how anyone gets on with loads. I would suggest that having too many dilutes your enthusiasm. Stick to one or two and get rid of the others and spend the money of tools and other things you want. It'll make your life easier I reckon. Otherwise as grizz says, you'll just get a load of projects sitting and waiting. And waiting... Once I have cleared all the stuff I don't deem as "essential", I will be back on it probably 3-4 nights a week. Even an hour is worth it.
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westycapri
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Mar 22, 2022 21:28:07 GMT
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Similar position to you in a lot of things, job, commute 3 old vehicles, a dog, a house to do DIY on, a wife etc... i also struggle with time and don't feel like I'm doing much on the cars, just keeping them going not really improving them.
Not got a silver bullet and no idea how many cars you hav but hopefully knowing you are not alone will help. My technique is that I will restrict myself to have 1 vehicle out of action at a time and not do anything substancial on the other cars. Currently the landrover has been out of action since October... meant to get it sorted before Xmas, completely blown through that. I have done some electrical stuff and servicing on the capri and transit but have stopped myself doing anything else major on them until the landrover is back. I also am much more open to outsourcing stuff and rather pay for someone to do a job for me if needed, that goes from car stuff to DIY although appreciate that not everyone can do that.
Cheers
Josh
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Mar 22, 2022 21:48:36 GMT
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Yeah I've found it hard juggling house stuff and car stuff, and the sense of feeling like I'm not making much progress on the latter because of the former (impacting mojo). Not really come to a good conclusion on that other than to just knuckle down and get the house stuff finished. One thing that has been an enormous boon though is as a result of the pandemic. Where previously I'd be commuting about half hour each way per day (with the occasional 1hr-1hr 30 drive a couple of times a month), I'm now working from home most days in the week. The extra time this has freed up to just get stuff done (or rest a little before getting started) is enormous. I'd say manoeuvering oneself into a job where there's a much shorter commute would pay dividends, even if it meant a slight pay cut. You'll probably make a little of that pay cut back with lower travel costs, and have a boatload more time to yourself. I also find writing lists helps for me. Here's the current one for the Jag (written today!): I started keeping them as a bit of a reminder for what I need to do as my memory's atrocious, but they've proved useful as a way of evidencing progress. Each list only tends to last a week or two in my pockets so they get replaced quite often, and it's nice to see the things to do reduce. The Jag list started covering all but half of the 4 'sides', and now I'm 3 jobs away from it being on one! The little tally is helpful as well, and I copy that over to each new list. As is keeping old lists so I can stumble across them and remind myself of how far I've come. It's important though to chunk down the tasks into small enough segments. Too big and it just feels like this monolithic mass that never gets any smaller. Breaking them down into the sort of things you might be able to achieve one or two of on a weekend (or over a week of evenings) helps keep things moving and keeps you motivated. Lastly, I can second what jmsheahan said about helping out a mate helping with the mojo boost. It might take time away from your projects, but it tends to leave me with a sense of being capable and a good buzz around doing stuff in general. Need to do it more often really...
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Mar 22, 2022 21:57:47 GMT
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I work for myself and use 3xMOT'd and taxed saabs. 2x9000's and a 900 for work. Live in Medway and furthest I travel to is Kings Lynn.
If I don't keep on top of them I can't work, so that is the main thing that keeps me fixing them. Recently things got a bit difficult as both the 9000's are out. One needs clutch master cylinder, and the other needs a turbo oil return pipe. Had to call on the 900 which although lowered, bumpy and noisy - always gets me out of trouble - Hopefully will have the clutch bled by thursday so I can put the 900 back in the garage.
Sometimes I want something a bit neater and cleaner or newer - People do look down on those with old shabby cars, and although I could easily buy a PCP'd hyundai for £300 per month then I remember just how overcomplicated and soul-less moderns are, and I drive new cars really badly. I lose awareness and become clumsy as I feel far less involved. If it's a car I just spent the weekend changing a gearbox on, there's absolutely no way I can be like that.
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Mar 22, 2022 22:24:07 GMT
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Also, on the number of projects front, it's worth doing some introspection to find out how you engage with motivation. Are you one of those people who decides on their one thing they really want to do, then goes and gets it. Or are you someone whose motivation for any one thing waxes and wanes?
If you're the former then it's probably more to do with burnout causing a lack of motivation, and some time away from the main goal to recharge would be useful. If you struggle with feeling like you're falling behind on it by taking a break, consider it as 'system maintenance' and it's actually a way of making you work more harder on average over the long term.
I'm not one of these people. I'm guessing you're not either, based on what you're saying.
I have lots of ideas, and my motivation for any one of them waxes and wanes. Sometimes I really want the Jag done, sometimes I really want the Spitfire. Sometimes the T2000, sometimes the Alfa, sometimes the Fiat etc etc. Predictably, this has resulted in rather a large number of projects and none of them 'done'. Personally, I can see the advice of 'sell all but one or two' backfiring massively as my motivation for those two will probably wax and wane, and I'll probably start wondering whether it's my motivation for cars in general that's slipping away.
What I've done though is decide a loose but determined order that I want to do these things in. XJ40 first so I've got a reliable cool old car, then T2000 and Spitfire consecutively depending on tooling at the new house. Bare minimum to get the Alfa 75 on the road next, then X1/9 gets a thorough going over. The latter points might change priority, but the 'XJ40 then T2000/Spit' is crystal clear as a plan.
What that means is when I have motivation for the XJ40 all's well. When I don't, but I have an urge to get the T2000 done I can say 'right, to get to the T2000 I need to finish the XJ40 first so better find something to do on that'. It's not perfect by any means, but it helps with reducing the number of little half hour windows where you do have time from slipping between your fingers.
Oh, and another thing is 'non-zero sum days'. It's something they teach to people suffering from depression, but it's useful in general. If you find yourself with no motivation whatsoever to do anything productive towards what you want to do, force yourself to do at least one thing in the right direction that day. It doesn't matter if it's as small as 'look up what the part number for the coolant temp sensor is that I need'. Anything, so long as it's a positive step in the right direction.
Best case scenario, once you've started your find your motivation to do something else comes back a little. Worst case scenario, you've still inched your project on ever so slightly. A year's worth of non-zero sum days adds up to a surprising amount of progress when you look back on it.
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Mar 22, 2022 22:24:52 GMT
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I look after 6 older cars, 3 houses and work full time, with the cars it's a matter of prioritising what's important, for me that's mechanical reliability and keeping rust at bay, appearance is fine if it looks OK from 6 feet away. I find that once you get on top of maintainance,(both regular and preventitive) and use them regularly they don't need that much work anyway. I also keep lists, helps to make sure you have the parts you need available and don't loose focus on what's important. I tend to get an hour or 2 a couple of evenings and 3 or 4 at the weekend. Costwise it works out far cheaper than running 4 newish cars (1 for each driver).
That said the question will be will I actually get time to drive my 3, I used to use them for my 25 mile daily commute but after 2 years working from home where my 3 have barely been driven we are going back to a hybrid model of only 1 or 2 days in the office each week.
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I struggled for a long time doing much of my own stuff due to been knackered from work. I've now rearranged how I work with the aim of having 2 nights a week in the garage and then at least 1 weekend morning (basically rather than prep then build each engine in order I have Monday, Tuesday and Thursday as machining/prep/been filthy and soaked, lots of heavy lifting etc etc days, and Wednesday and Friday as build days which are a lot lighter/easier work so I'm not too tired to go in the garage after work. Still get 4-7 engines a week out but works out better for me so everybody's happy.
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To echo several others above, don't have too many simultaneous projects on the go.
If a project is massive, break it down into manageable smaller ones, focus on each one in turn blinding yourself to everything else which is unaffect by the job in hand. Dump the gym, it's a waste of time and money; you will get ample physical exercise and mental stimulation / satisfaction from your projects. List priorities and set targets for each project session, if a snag causes a diversion, note it to remind yourself that even though you missed your target, you did achieve something.
Try to get your wife interested too, even if only for moral support, cups of tea, and the occasional pair of extra hands to "hold this while I put this bolt in".
Find a few project threads here which interest you, follow them, and run your own; the enthusiasm, support and encouragement from others has kept me going when I feel overwhelmed by it all, and the comments of others have given me ideas.
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ChasR
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Reading this thread has been great and given me ideas myself. My responsibilities are alot less than some, but even I find things a little overwhelming at times with: -A recently bought, but old house I'm living it. Obviously, it needs work (kitchen, bathroom, garden, drop kerb for driveway (I don't have a DK despite having a driveway) and of course, the garage -2 old cars. No, sorry, one is not new. It's old. Simple as -Maintaining my parents cars. Not doing my sister's as well is a big help, and I deliberately don't do my sister's anymore -Family commitments ; parents insist on me seeing them quite a bit (to be fair, my dad needs help since Covid, due to lack of energy and tiredness compared to before now) -Work : For me to own my house at below the average house price by quite a way (around 1/2), I need a reasonable paying job. That's an unfortunate reality for many at my age without a decent deposit or inheritence to fall on, as I know a few folks off here struggle with, including a certain charmful Welshman. Part-time unfortunately is not an option for me, unless I go back to living at home again, or I move somewhere where I can buy a house with space/facilities for cars which costs around £60-70k (then you are away from your family/friends and potentially less job opportunities). My list isn't as bad as some frankly, but I can see why folks I know sometimes wish they had a new house and a new daily driver, as the time simply adds up and up. I do admire folks who have 3+ cars and keep them going. When I had 3 cars, I did struggle, and at times, some did cause issues. It also limited me from buying cars I really wanted. Working from home in a Hybrid way and having a motorbike have helped here. I would say not to ditch the gym however. With my back, I struggle with working on cars at times, and since I caught the dreaded bug, my joints ache alot more than they used to (at one point, walking was a problem as both knees decided they didn't want to play ball), and I really have to watch myself unless I want to be paralysed in pain for around a day with strong painkillers. Exercise for me has really helped there. I always struggle to do it at times, but I never regret it. Back to the cars, but here's my opinion. You can probably break this down into 3 areas: Assessment-Be honest with what your projects are and how much the state of them matters to you. House may be one, if you don't shell out for DIY, it will always take time. It may be the garage for example (it is for me ; a dusty floor won't make for great working when cleanliness is required around a car (i.e gearbox service)). Since most of my dailies for years have needed work in one for or another (oil change, brake fluid etc.) that's a project as well, albeit not as demanding as some. -On the above point, if you have a car older than 8 years old without a dealer warranty, and it rarely sees the garage as you want to spanner on your own cars, that is a project. It may not be to many folks, but since it's something you are maintaining and investing time in, it is a project. OK, let's make it 12 years old. The sooner I did this, the easier it is manage the cars. That oil change is time. Brake pads are time. Niggles here and there to sort are time. Leaving them will just make the car seem curse word and more daunting when you actually need to fix the cars. Cars always need work, it's a fact of life really. If you don't want that, I'd either lease when cheap cars come about again or get something with a dealer warranty (i.e VAG or BMW). Garages IME are something tricky to depend on, especially if you outsource the daily work to them: :They fall into 2 or 3 camps IME. Either can fit you in but break three things for the 1 you took in to fix :2nd way is they charge quite a bit of the work, but not do it quite right :3rd is finding a guy who takes his time and does it right as you would, but booking them can be unreliable, especially if you have a sudden breakdown. For things like oil changes and brakes etc, that can be planned/managed in time -Be honest with what other hobbies and commitments you have ; i.e where your time is invested. Mountain biking, climbing, gym, socialising with friends, family time, DIY, you name it. If you don't like doing it but need to do it (e.g family stuff at times) accept it can't be moved. If you don't like it (gym, biking, meeting folks for a drink in the pub etc.) cut it out. It's not healthy -On the honesty bits, be honest if your daily is suitable for you. For me, living with a coupe car as a daily car is OK, but it does catch me out enough to warrant a hatchback or estate. I prefer estates so they will remain a daily of choice for me. Planning-With this, debate clearing out the cars which realistically, will take away funds from your pride and joy(s). It's a difficult one but needs must. It's one reason why my ST220 has gone, despite it being a dependable steed -Get the tools you need and don't waste time 'making do'. I'm not referring to socket sets, but specialist tools which you may need for a car, depending on the work you'll do. For me, it's INPA diagnostics for the BMWs, Bearing pullers which are way handier than you think, Ballpen hammer for all sorts (not just a claw one), reciprocating saw for things which just won't undo (these come in handy for garden work too ), and a brake bleeder as I do change the brake fluid regularly enough, and have been bitten a couple of times doing brake bleeds the 2-person way . By this I mean ruined master cylinders for those wondering, and having someone competent to follow through how to bleed brakes this way can be hard, even with car guys!; My sister can help me bleed brakes better than some guys I know who will just lift the pedal at moments with gay abandon! Annoying? You bet! It will make life much easier for doing those 'regular' tasks, especially where you have a regular churn of cars -Make a list. This may be a Roadkill-esque cardboard list. With me, I use my phone and a handy reminder section. A friend of mine who is busy but does alot with cars has done this for years. If a task for the car pops into my head and I don't want to forget it, I make a note of it. I'll forget otherwise. This way, I know exactly what the projects all need Doing:-The mojo may be lacking, but chip away at the cars. Recently, I discovered that it's a fallacy to thing I need time to do things in big chunks. Alot is achieved in smaller chunks, it just doesn't seem that way until that task or the project comes to completion. Like this the mojo will come and go, and when it comes, it will come in well IME. You also chip a little bit of work off for the next time. This was the only way I got my M3 roadworthy last year, doing what many consider a big job on it (rear brake lines, which is a fuel tank off job and in an ideal world, subframe off too) -Put things and tools away. For me, this is a mojo killer, I've discovered, or maybe I'm just like James May. Spending 30 minutes trying to find a couple of tools when it would have taken 30 mins just to do the job is frustrating and wasteful. That can be another small task amongst the car working -Plan on the weather to do things, especially without a garage. Plastics and rubbers will need heat if you want to move. Doing things outside in the rain will be annoying -Dress up for the work, or dress down. Having cloths aside or overalls for this will help, and make you less annoyed when you do inevitably get an oily hand on your jeans. Having clean stuff will help for not dirtying the white leather seats you spent an age cleaning Alot of the above is simple and obvious stuff when stated. Typing this out, I fall victim to not doing the above. But IME, following it does help and keep the mojo up overall.
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