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Dec 26, 2021 18:57:13 GMT
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This is a bit of a strange project thread, as its a retrospective. I bought this car back in April of this year. It might look familiar to some as there was a thread about it being advertised on Facebook under threat of being broken for parts. The seller never had any attention of breaking it, he was just fed up of timewasters. I really liked the 420gsi Tourer that i repaired and then sold on (see here forum.retro-rides.org/thread/211825/1995-rover-420-gsi-tourer?page=1). I was super impressed with how good the R8 rovers (rover 200 and 400 from about 1989 to 1996) are and so had an eye out for another one. It had been off the road for around ten years, and although it ran and drove, needed attention. The good news is that apart from a stainless exhaust and cone airfilter it is standard. Even had its original wheels. Interior was grubby and mouldy in places but actually in very good condition. Minimal rust too and only 80,000 miles which appears genuine. It was quite cosmetically challenged as the lacquer was peeling of the bonnet, front wings, boot and the roof looked like it had been baked in a desert. But basically its an extremely sound and pretty rare car. I loaded it up on the trailer and then took it to my Dads place. Got it off the trailer and started giving it a poke and working out what parts i needed. I always intended to removed the cylinder head and fit a new gasket as it was leaking oil real bad, not just the front left corner, but pretty much everywhere. The radiator looked extremely marginal and was actually weeping at the bottom. All the water pipes were corroded and more rust and paint than actual metal. All the black painted metal brackets in the engine bay were rusty and flaking too. After writing quite long list of parts required, i started buying stuff. Because the car was so original, i decided that if i was going to do it, id try and do it right, so where possible ive been buying Rover parts, or as close as i cant get.
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Dec 26, 2021 19:16:33 GMT
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Looks great in red, I always had a liking for these so will be following along.
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1988 Mercedes w124 superturbo diesel 508hp 1996 Mercedes s124 e300 diesel wagon 1990 BMW E30 V8 M60 powered! 1999 BMW E46 323ci project car
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Dec 26, 2021 19:41:06 GMT
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Looks great in red, I always had a liking for these so will be following along. Cool, you shoulnt have to wait too long. I plan on uploading more over next couple days while I'm on holiday.
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Dec 26, 2021 19:54:02 GMT
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Dec 26, 2021 21:47:59 GMT
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Congrats, It looks pretty nice and tidy. Will follow
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1994 Rover 420 Gsi TurboMercdan68
@forddan68
Club Retro Rides Member 68
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Dec 26, 2021 22:42:51 GMT
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Absolutely love the R8 range very much underated Nice to see your giving that one a new lease of life
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Fraud owners club member 2003 W211 Mercedes E class 1989 Sierra sapphire 1998 ex bt fiesta van
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Dec 27, 2021 10:58:17 GMT
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Sometimes if a car hasnt any evidence of overheating i don't bother to get the head skimmed. But this one, i decided to anyway. I sent it off to MODUS engineering, they cleaning it all up, skimmed it, pressure and leak down tested it. SO not only is the gasket face all levelled and shiny, but i know all the valves seal properly too. It cost a fair bit, but makes me happy! It was like unwrapping a present to reveal much shinyness. Then it was reassembly time. I refitted all the tappets in their correct order and then applied liberal ammounts of engine build goop so the interface between the buckets and cams were protected at first start up. Next it was time to refit and torque down the cam carriers. They seal to the head with special sealer. Its an anaerobic sealer, so it only sets once it is held between two surfaces without oxygen. Clever stuff, as it dissolves in oil. Basically if you were to use normal RTV, the bits that squidge out would block all teh oil ways under the carriers that lubricate that cams, or possibly get entrained somewhere else and cause blockages. This stuff just gets washed away and mixed in harmlessly with the oil. Then it was time to start refitting the inlet and other ancillary stuff. I fitted new cam seals, and then the plastic upper timing cover behind the cam sprockets. The rubber mounting rings had all gone out of shape from oil contamination so fitted some new ones. They are pretty much impossible to find now sadly. Thermostat housing to head gasket I cleaned up and repainted the upper inlet manifold/plenum thing I also sent the injectors off to be cleaned and serviced. They had new rings and pintle caps too. I got this flow chart back too. All assembled to the head with new gaskets Then i set about cleaning up the block. I removed the big alloy bracket that holds the alternator, the water pump and power steering pump so i could give it all a decent going over and change the o-ring between it and teh block. One of teh bolts holding the alternator was seized solid and then rounded off which was super annoying as i couldnt get very good access to the last bolt between the alloy housing and the block. Mega frustrating but managed to move the alternator away just enough so i could remove the whole assembly. Then i welded a nut to the old bolt and wound it out. Black all washed down, de greased Then painted in gloss black engine enamel. Kind of pointless because pretty much all of this is hidden by the alloy housing, radiator , exhaust manifold etc etc
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Dec 27, 2021 10:58:59 GMT
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Lovely car that 😍
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Dec 27, 2021 11:58:09 GMT
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More mess and devastation as stuff went back together. Been using the mighty DAF400 as my mobile workshop and tool cabinet! I don't have any photos of it, but i also removed the sump, sent it off to be blacked and then powder coated. That was most therapeutic to see as it is one of those crappy pressed steel items, and the paint had all flaked off. Cleaned up the block with a razor and some brake cleaner. Then installed new plastic location dowels. Even these are hard to get now I put a drop of oil in each cylinder after i gave them a good clean, and then dropped on the new Klinger head gasket and then the cylinder head. Then torqued it down with a set on new stretch head bolts. Below is the photo from the manual if anyone needs the torques etc. New cam seal and cam gasket New plugs, dizzy cap, rotor arm and i also replaced the split rubber intake to throttle body plate with a new alloy one. I had everything that was black and metal and was in teh engine bay sent to the blasters and powercoaters. This was the radiator and intercooler frames, battery tray, fuse box bracket, ABS bracket, expansion tank bracket, relay holder etc etc etc. Expensive but should look good and last for ages.
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xfu990
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Dec 27, 2021 13:22:58 GMT
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"Been using the mighty DAF400 as my mobile workshop and tool cabinet!" Awesome! Reminds me of my not so mighty 200 that I had, my goodness did it rot but what an unbreakable workhorse with the 2.0 "perkins" engine. Super economical, totally abused in all respects and I never did kill it
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Dec 27, 2021 14:03:53 GMT
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"Been using the mighty DAF400 as my mobile workshop and tool cabinet!" Awesome! Reminds me of my not so mighty 200 that I had, my goodness did it rot but what an unbreakable workhorse with the 2.0 "perkins" engine. Super economical, totally abused in all respects and I never did kill it They are great. People curse word about them being old fashioned etc etc but they are unbreakable. Mine has the non turbo 2.5 peugeot/indenor diesel and chugs along just fine. Just come back from delivering about 1 ton of wood in it.
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xfu990
Part of things
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Dec 27, 2021 14:55:02 GMT
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Brilliant, I'm looking for a modern equivalent, all that I'm finding is DPF failure, seized injectors or worn out at only 100,000 miles, all stupid money because the world has gone mad and the value of money is meaningless.
Apologies for the whinge, fantastic workhorse, oh and good work on the Rover, most enjoyable read.
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Rob M
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1994 Rover 420 Gsi TurboRob M
@zeb
Club Retro Rides Member 41
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Dec 27, 2021 19:13:55 GMT
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I had a 416 GSI back in the late 90's. They really are very underrated cars, very comfortable, handle well and are pretty quick. The only thing that was a massive pain in the **** was changing the clutch and setting up the handbrake for the MOT which caused me more issues than it really should have. Watching this with great interest!
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Dec 28, 2021 17:23:02 GMT
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Started refitting all the newly powder coated parts which was really satisfying! I used a tap set to chase out all the threads for the exhaust manifold, and then refitted the manifold with turbo with using a stainless steel stud and nut kit. Also bought one of the more expensive gaskets £27, its a multi-layer one rather than the crappy cheap ones. Bought a new downpipe, proper turbo one, and then a big bore decat pipe. Starting to look very much more together. While the car was up in the air i removed the track rod ends so that i could change the steering rack gaiters. They had basically fallen apart and were obviously going to be a big fat MOT fail.
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Brilliant stuff, really rare cars and one of the best factory sleepers ever I reckon, 200hp, 150mph in a 4 door Rover saloon.
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Nice work as usual. Follow your posts on Youtube and am amazed what you all do. So many cars you have and a lot get serious attention and then also spending weekends with motorbike racing and doing a lot of posts on Youtube and several forums. Hats off and also the best wishes for 2022. Peter
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Brilliant stuff, really rare cars and one of the best factory sleepers ever I reckon, 200hp, 150mph in a 4 door Rover saloon. Yeah its nuts when you think about what else was on the road back then. These were rockets by comparison. Faster than standard cosworths of the time i think?
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Nice work as usual. Follow your posts on Youtube and am amazed what you all do. So many cars you have and a lot get serious attention and then also spending weekends with motorbike racing and doing a lot of posts on Youtube and several forums. Hats off and also the best wishes for 2022. Peter Thanks Peter, yes i keep myself busy! Happy New Year, James
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May 23, 2022 16:38:34 GMT
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Hello? Is this project still ongoing? I am a new member, I came across this thread whilst doing a search for "Rover GSi Turbo Airline Pilot " which was how Rover Group advertised it back in the day. The slightly sporty looking car, ( as they thought -- not really) but very quick, one for young BA pilots to aspire to. I still haven't found a picture of that newspaper and magazine advert. Though I am happy to stumble across this. It was such a nice Wolf in sheep's clothing compared to the real in your face coupe 220 Tomcat which I think shared the same engine. We had two guys at Viglen back in the day who went for that alongside their Sony Mars Bar phones ! ) I think the shape has aged well, the interior dash dials are so easy to read ( like BMW and Mercedes of the time, not like this modern LCD "flash" ) and even the seats have not got too worn on the bolsters. The wood is not too in your face. I think BL, sorry, Rover Group, judged the interior well between plush and sporting for that time. The 620 turbo also good. What a rare car, very glad you are doing it up. When finished it will be quite speedy considering the light weight. Will raise some eyebrows. Interestingly I always thought the red paint was slightly darker from the adverts? Maybe it has faded more to strawberry than cherry, or maybe my rose tinted glasses are a shade too far All the best. Andy
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Last Edit: May 23, 2022 16:44:39 GMT by andy35
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May 23, 2022 16:54:36 GMT
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Brilliant stuff, really rare cars and one of the best factory sleepers ever I reckon, 200hp, 150mph in a 4 door Rover saloon. Yeah its nuts when you think about what else was on the road back then. These were rockets by comparison. Faster than standard cosworths of the time i think? It would be nice to think so, but the main issue of course is that this car is FWD and not RWD. I managed to find some "estimated" stats www.automobile-catalog.com/performance/1994/3010835/rover_420_gsi_turbo.htmlSounds reasonable. Top speed is probably close to the Sierra though. Although not as quick I would say that modern day sporty tyres such as the Michelin 4 or new Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 6 ( if you can get them in that diameter etc ) would improve the grip to improve the 0-60 times and more importantly reduce torque steer in gear. Remember the Montego Turbo ! I think that with modern rubber, good engine and light weight it could still match modern fwd hot hatches, that have got fat. Andy
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